Both cases were brought forward by the partner of Egolegal Lawyers, Nicolás Simó Álvarez, in partnership with Legálitas. The lawyer alleged before El Confidencial, one of Spain's digital newspapers, that "the betting houses turn what are games of chance into a round business for them, in which either the house always wins or, the few times it loses, they throw the customer out and everything is solved."
Both clients of the sports betting platforms had their accounts reactivated, which had been previously closed, as well as their status as "no limit bettor" restored.
Topic: Sherbet.com 1206$ SCAM (stolen deposit) - page 2. (Read 588 times)
What is response to the post made by the sherbet.com forum representative where they claimed the sportsbook company definitely stated you were involved in fraudulent activity?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61977685
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61977685
This is what's wrong and is one of the biggest problems in crypto-betting. Find value, place bets and win = Fraud.
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Sherbet uses same oddsprovider as some other sportsbooks that many players have had bad experiences lately (bc.game/rollbit/owl.games/etc.) according to what I've been reading on here, twitter and trustpilot. This oddsprovider is very actively flagging accounts that are placing good bets (value bets) and/or accusing players of arb abusing or syndicate betting.
I would really suggest to avoid sportsbooks using this oddsprovider for the time being, decent risk of your winnings being confiscated.
I would really suggest to avoid sportsbooks using this oddsprovider for the time being, decent risk of your winnings being confiscated.
That's right, these are dirty criminals. I also play volleyball bets very successfully and many of the sites immediately limit, that is, the provider.
Of course, the provider has no such rights, he is doing illegal activity. But these sites consist of 2-3 people and they have no choice
This is what's wrong and is one of the biggest problems in crypto-betting. Find value, place bets and win = Fraud.
Sherbet uses same oddsprovider as some other sportsbooks that many players have had bad experiences lately (bc.game/rollbit/owl.games/etc.) according to what I've been reading on here, twitter and trustpilot. This oddsprovider is very actively flagging accounts that are placing good bets (value bets) and/or accusing players of arb abusing or syndicate betting.
I would really suggest to avoid sportsbooks using this oddsprovider for the time being, decent risk of your winnings being confiscated.
I would really suggest to avoid sportsbooks using this oddsprovider for the time being, decent risk of your winnings being confiscated.
That's right, these are dirty criminals. I also play volleyball bets very successfully and many of the sites immediately limit, that is, the provider.
Of course, the provider has no such rights, he is doing illegal activity. But these sites consist of 2-3 people and they have no choice
Hi, diggad,
Our sportsbook provider (Betby) contacted us on the 21st of March, alerting us to the fact that your account was conducting fraudulent bets on our sportsbook. After confirming with them via Skype, we were told you have been placing value bets + betting on low-cat events, and your account had been flagged elsewhere too.
Sad. sportsbook abusers actually forget that the front end of a casino is just like the affiliates of a casino. In the front end everyone has different branding. The better you are in marketing the higher your brand visible but in the back end all the casinos are the same. They have common sports and games providers. And the providers keep a lot of logs of every finger print you leave from your browser. It's impossible to cheat them.Our sportsbook provider (Betby) contacted us on the 21st of March, alerting us to the fact that your account was conducting fraudulent bets on our sportsbook. After confirming with them via Skype, we were told you have been placing value bets + betting on low-cat events, and your account had been flagged elsewhere too.
The entire industry is based in trust than verifying. In cases if these providers would give blockchain evidences with their claims then it would be nicer and easier for everyone else to make a clear conclusion. But it make sense and understandable that for data protection, they can not do such things even if they want too.
Thank you for the explanation. As with many scam allegations made against casinos, the dynamics can change after the alleged perpetrator writes their side of the story.
If the Sportsbook provider stated the OP cannot be trusted because of fraudulent activity it stands to reason you would take action as per your terms and conditions.
If the OP refused to dispute your conclusions or share evidence via your website online chat it means you did not really have much choice but to take action.
If the Sportsbook provider stated the OP cannot be trusted because of fraudulent activity it stands to reason you would take action as per your terms and conditions.
If the OP refused to dispute your conclusions or share evidence via your website online chat it means you did not really have much choice but to take action.
Hi, diggad,
Our sportsbook provider (Betby) contacted us on the 21st of March, alerting us to the fact that your account was conducting fraudulent bets on our sportsbook. After confirming with them via Skype, we were told you have been placing value bets + betting on low-cat events, and your account had been flagged elsewhere too. Please see the screenshot below:
We conducted a review of your account and found you have withdrawn hundreds of dollars from these bets, which is why your account was initially suspended. We have provided you with the ability to dispute this review and share your own evidence via the email provided on Intercom, which you have not done. As per the terms and conditions you agreed to upon registering on Sherbet, we maintain the ability to suspend accounts that are in breach of our terms. We believe you were well aware of the fact you were unfairly taking advantage of our sportsbook, and our provider is 100% confident in their decision to flag your account.
Sherbet is a new casino, and we operate under strict regulations and terms which we uphold to our highest ability. We don't tolerate sportsbook abuse, nor do we tolerate any breaches of our terms. As explained above (and on Intercom), you are more than welcome to send us an email containing evidence from your account, and we can review this with our provider to ensure the correct decision was made.
Our sportsbook provider (Betby) contacted us on the 21st of March, alerting us to the fact that your account was conducting fraudulent bets on our sportsbook. After confirming with them via Skype, we were told you have been placing value bets + betting on low-cat events, and your account had been flagged elsewhere too. Please see the screenshot below:
We conducted a review of your account and found you have withdrawn hundreds of dollars from these bets, which is why your account was initially suspended. We have provided you with the ability to dispute this review and share your own evidence via the email provided on Intercom, which you have not done. As per the terms and conditions you agreed to upon registering on Sherbet, we maintain the ability to suspend accounts that are in breach of our terms. We believe you were well aware of the fact you were unfairly taking advantage of our sportsbook, and our provider is 100% confident in their decision to flag your account.
Sherbet is a new casino, and we operate under strict regulations and terms which we uphold to our highest ability. We don't tolerate sportsbook abuse, nor do we tolerate any breaches of our terms. As explained above (and on Intercom), you are more than welcome to send us an email containing evidence from your account, and we can review this with our provider to ensure the correct decision was made.
Hi, diggad,
Our sportsbook provider (Betby) contacted us on the 21st of March, alerting us to the fact that your account was conducting fraudulent bets on our sportsbook. After confirming with them via Skype, we were told you have been placing value bets + betting on low-cat events, and your account had been flagged elsewhere too. Please see the screenshot below:
We conducted a review of your account and found you had profited hundreds of dollars from these bets, which is why your account was initially suspended. We have provided you with the ability to dispute this review and share your own evidence via the email provided on Intercom, which you have not done. As per the terms and conditions you agreed to upon registering on Sherbet, we maintain the ability to suspend accounts that are in breach of our terms. We believe you were well aware of the fact you were unfairly taking advantage of our sportsbook, and our provider is 100% confident in their decision to flag your account.
Sherbet is a new casino, and we operate under strict regulations and terms which we uphold to our highest ability. We don't tolerate sportsbook abuse, nor do we tolerate any breaches of our terms. As explained above (and on Intercom), you are more than welcome to send us an email containing evidence from your account, and we can review this with our provider to ensure the correct decision was made.
Our sportsbook provider (Betby) contacted us on the 21st of March, alerting us to the fact that your account was conducting fraudulent bets on our sportsbook. After confirming with them via Skype, we were told you have been placing value bets + betting on low-cat events, and your account had been flagged elsewhere too. Please see the screenshot below:
We conducted a review of your account and found you had profited hundreds of dollars from these bets, which is why your account was initially suspended. We have provided you with the ability to dispute this review and share your own evidence via the email provided on Intercom, which you have not done. As per the terms and conditions you agreed to upon registering on Sherbet, we maintain the ability to suspend accounts that are in breach of our terms. We believe you were well aware of the fact you were unfairly taking advantage of our sportsbook, and our provider is 100% confident in their decision to flag your account.
Sherbet is a new casino, and we operate under strict regulations and terms which we uphold to our highest ability. We don't tolerate sportsbook abuse, nor do we tolerate any breaches of our terms. As explained above (and on Intercom), you are more than welcome to send us an email containing evidence from your account, and we can review this with our provider to ensure the correct decision was made.
I would like to address your post by saying yahoo62278 is well respected member of the forum. In my opinion the tone you applied towards him was inappropriate. I think his post did not warrant the response you gave him.
Anyway, yahoo62278 said nothing more and nothing less than what many forum members already believe and beyond that he advised the OP to contact the playsherbet forum representative via PM. He was not exaggerating in any capacity.
I think you are exaggerating. It's not that hard to understand why. The player in question may not have had an ambition to have an account here until he encountered problems with the operator so now he's here seeking help from the community. It's that simple.
Stop assuming things until proven otherwise.
Anyway, yahoo62278 said nothing more and nothing less than what many forum members already believe and beyond that he advised the OP to contact the playsherbet forum representative via PM. He was not exaggerating in any capacity.
I find it simply amazing that most of the scam accusations against casinos are by newbie accounts. I'm not saying all of them a liars but i'll bet more then half are full of shit. They open an accusation knowing full well they're cheating a casino is some way, shape, or form.
With that being said, OP you should probably send a PM to the casino rep on here so they can see your post. You may not be 1 of the shady users I just mentioned, just looks funny that almost all accusations are from newbies.
With that being said, OP you should probably send a PM to the casino rep on here so they can see your post. You may not be 1 of the shady users I just mentioned, just looks funny that almost all accusations are from newbies.
I think you are exaggerating. It's not that hard to understand why. The player in question may not have had an ambition to have an account here until he encountered problems with the operator so now he's here seeking help from the community. It's that simple.
Stop assuming things until proven otherwise.
Sherbet uses same oddsprovider as some other sportsbooks that many players have had bad experiences lately (bc.game/rollbit/owl.games/etc.) according to what I've been reading on here, twitter and trustpilot. This oddsprovider is very actively flagging accounts that are placing good bets (value bets) and/or accusing players of arb abusing or syndicate betting.
I would really suggest to avoid sportsbooks using this oddsprovider for the time being, decent risk of your winnings being confiscated.
I would really suggest to avoid sportsbooks using this oddsprovider for the time being, decent risk of your winnings being confiscated.
I think you are exaggerating. It's not that hard to understand why. The player in question may not have had an ambition to have an account here until he encountered problems with the operator so now he's here seeking help from the community. It's that simple.
Stop assuming things until proven otherwise.
Dude, I am not sure how long you are in this forum. If this is your only account then it's less than 1 year you are here. But yahoo62278 has been here for 2014 almost 9 years. He has a lot of experience in this field. He also worked on a lot of projects and still working. He knows (from his experience + project team )how some people act innocent after the guilty. I have also some experience working on some projects. I also know some people acting like they don't know anything regarding the issue despite knowing everything.
Btw I am not saying OP has a false accusation. I hope the sherbet representative will come and explain everything.
That doesn't mean shit. I've been in this industry for 15+ years but this is not about me or you, it's about this case so I'm gonna leave it at that.
Besides, I know that yahoo62278 used to work for Betnomi before and was in my thread not to long ago talking reckless without facts, just like he's doing here.
What other people do has nothing to do with OP. It isn't fair to OP to have preconceived notions until all facts are in.
I find it simply amazing that most of the scam accusations against casinos are by newbie accounts. I'm not saying all of them a liars but i'll bet more then half are full of shit. They open an accusation knowing full well they're cheating a casino is some way, shape, or form.
With that being said, OP you should probably send a PM to the casino rep on here so they can see your post. You may not be 1 of the shady users I just mentioned, just looks funny that almost all accusations are from newbies.
With that being said, OP you should probably send a PM to the casino rep on here so they can see your post. You may not be 1 of the shady users I just mentioned, just looks funny that almost all accusations are from newbies.
I think you are exaggerating. It's not that hard to understand why. The player in question may not have had an ambition to have an account here until he encountered problems with the operator so now he's here seeking help from the community. It's that simple.
Stop assuming things until proven otherwise.
I find it simply amazing that most of the scam accusations against casinos are by newbie accounts. I'm not saying all of them a liars but i'll bet more then half are full of shit. They open an accusation knowing full well they're cheating a casino is some way, shape, or form.
It's a bit strange. But I am not surprised. No matter what we say but the truth is people, don't do their research or don't check everything when they get involved with casinos or online companies. People come here once they are already in trouble and want to get rid of it. Some of them indeed know that they are guilty. But, still they tell the story from their side in hope of getting some help from the community. As long as casinos freeze or confiscate balance with a valid reason, the chance are slim to get any help. Even the community cannot help if casinos doing something shady. It depends if the casino cares about it's reputation on this forum.
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I think you are exaggerating. It's not that hard to understand why. The player in question may not have had an ambition to have an account here until he encountered problems with the operator so now he's here seeking help from the community. It's that simple.
Stop assuming things until proven otherwise.
Dude, I am not sure how long you are in this forum. If this is your only account then it's less than 1 year you are here. But yahoo62278 has been here for 2014 almost 9 years. He has a lot of experience in this field. He also worked on a lot of projects and still working. He knows (from his experience + project team )how some people act innocent after the guilty. I have also some experience working on some projects. I also know some people acting like they don't know anything regarding the issue despite knowing everything.
Btw I am not saying OP has a false accusation. I hope the sherbet representative will come and explain everything.
I think you are exaggerating. It's not that hard to understand why. The player in question may not have had an ambition to have an account here until he encountered problems with the operator so now he's here seeking help from the community. It's that simple.
Stop assuming things until proven otherwise.
Many old Bitcointalk users also have accounts with these casinos and they rarely have issues with them or they open topics against the casino without any proofs. So it’s obvious why only newbies are behind the drama as always.
I find it simply amazing that most of the scam accusations against casinos are by newbie accounts. I'm not saying all of them a liars but i'll bet more then half are full of shit. They open an accusation knowing full well they're cheating a casino is some way, shape, or form.
With that being said, OP you should probably send a PM to the casino rep on here so they can see your post. You may not be 1 of the shady users I just mentioned, just looks funny that almost all accusations are from newbies.
With that being said, OP you should probably send a PM to the casino rep on here so they can see your post. You may not be 1 of the shady users I just mentioned, just looks funny that almost all accusations are from newbies.
I think you are exaggerating. It's not that hard to understand why. The player in question may not have had an ambition to have an account here until he encountered problems with the operator so now he's here seeking help from the community. It's that simple.
Stop assuming things until proven otherwise.
What happened:
I deposited 600$ on 16 of march, played few sports bets and after i won 604$ more i ordered a withdrawal on 20th of march and they put my withdrawal on hold cause their sport provider found some fraudlent activity in winning 600$ in few matches (!!!) and today they said this 'Hey, digga. Your account has been permanently suspended on Sherbet, and all withdrawals/balances have been frozen due to fraudulent activity on our sportsbook (as stated by our provider).
hi OP I'm really curious what happened to your account, did you violate any of the rules they made --I deposited 600$ on 16 of march, played few sports bets and after i won 604$ more i ordered a withdrawal on 20th of march and they put my withdrawal on hold cause their sport provider found some fraudlent activity in winning 600$ in few matches (!!!) and today they said this 'Hey, digga. Your account has been permanently suspended on Sherbet, and all withdrawals/balances have been frozen due to fraudulent activity on our sportsbook (as stated by our provider).
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11. Prohibited Uses
Personal Use: The Service is solely for the User's personal use. The User is only allowed to wager for his/her personal entertainment. Users may not create multiple accounts for collusion, sports betting, and/or service abuse.
AML & Sanctions Compliance: Sherbet expressly prohibits and rejects using the Service for any form of illicit activity, including money laundering, terrorist financing, or trade sanctions violations, consistent with various jurisdictions' laws, regulations, and norms. To that end, the Service is not offered to individuals or entities subject to the United States, European Union, or other global sanctions watch lists. Using the Service, you represent and warrant that you are not so subject.
Jurisdictions: Persons located in or reside in Australia, Belarus, Côte d'Ivoire, Cuba, Curaçao, Czech Republic, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, France, Germany, Iran, Iraq, Liberia, Libya, Lithuania, Netherlands, Portugal, Serbia, Slovakia, South Sudan, Spain, Sudan, Syria, United Kingdom, United States, Zimbabwe (the "Prohibited Jurisdictions") are not permitted make use of the Service. To avoid doubt, the restrictions on engaging in real-money play from prohibited jurisdictions apply equally to residents and citizens of other nations while in a prohibited jurisdiction. Any attempt to circumvent the restrictions on play by persons in a prohibited or restricted jurisdiction is a breach of this Agreement. An attempt at circumvention includes, but is not limited to, manipulating the information used by Sherbet to identify your location and providing Sherbet with false or misleading information regarding your location or place of residence.
The attempt to manipulate your real location through the use of VPN, proxy, or similar services or the provision of incorrect or misleading information about your place of residence, with the intent to circumvent geo-blocking or jurisdiction restrictions, constitutes a breach of Clause 5 of this policy.
Some games are not available in certain countries due to licensing restrictions. You can find more information about provider restrictions here.
[1] https://sherbet.com/policies/termsPersonal Use: The Service is solely for the User's personal use. The User is only allowed to wager for his/her personal entertainment. Users may not create multiple accounts for collusion, sports betting, and/or service abuse.
AML & Sanctions Compliance: Sherbet expressly prohibits and rejects using the Service for any form of illicit activity, including money laundering, terrorist financing, or trade sanctions violations, consistent with various jurisdictions' laws, regulations, and norms. To that end, the Service is not offered to individuals or entities subject to the United States, European Union, or other global sanctions watch lists. Using the Service, you represent and warrant that you are not so subject.
Jurisdictions: Persons located in or reside in Australia, Belarus, Côte d'Ivoire, Cuba, Curaçao, Czech Republic, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, France, Germany, Iran, Iraq, Liberia, Libya, Lithuania, Netherlands, Portugal, Serbia, Slovakia, South Sudan, Spain, Sudan, Syria, United Kingdom, United States, Zimbabwe (the "Prohibited Jurisdictions") are not permitted make use of the Service. To avoid doubt, the restrictions on engaging in real-money play from prohibited jurisdictions apply equally to residents and citizens of other nations while in a prohibited jurisdiction. Any attempt to circumvent the restrictions on play by persons in a prohibited or restricted jurisdiction is a breach of this Agreement. An attempt at circumvention includes, but is not limited to, manipulating the information used by Sherbet to identify your location and providing Sherbet with false or misleading information regarding your location or place of residence.
The attempt to manipulate your real location through the use of VPN, proxy, or similar services or the provision of incorrect or misleading information about your place of residence, with the intent to circumvent geo-blocking or jurisdiction restrictions, constitutes a breach of Clause 5 of this policy.
Some games are not available in certain countries due to licensing restrictions. You can find more information about provider restrictions here.
from their statement above that your account is frozen because of a report from the sherbet sportsbook provider, which means a third party has reported the suspicious activity. you have also made a post on their ANN thread, hopefully, there will be an answer in the next 24 hours.
good luck!
Here is another screenshot from the OP which was posted a short while ago:
This is blatant scam they just took my money and stole my deposit for some baseless reason
I believe that if you did not violate any of their rules they will resolve the issue as soon as possible and not risk their reputation over $600. However that is only if you truly did not break any of their rules which makes things bad for you so you better contact them as they have announced their casino here in Bitcointalk.
Here is the profile of their representative: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/playsherbet-3536407
no i just won one relatevely significant bet (won ~560$) and ordered a withdrawal, they started delaying it saying that my withdrawal is on hold because sports provider is checking my bets for fraudlent activity, i bet a lot of bets on volleyball total under because this engine doesn usually accept big amounts in one click, and after 4 days of waiting they said my account is frozen and didnt even dare to return my deposit at least lol
im ready to pass KYC but looks like they are not really interested in that, and i have no proper communication on email
https://imgur.com/a/oa3qWAT
You have a point, many are newbies but many claim to have found find their way to the forum here after they could not (allegedly) find a solution with their company they made allegations against. I agree with you and others in that the OP should at least contact the Sherbet forum representative at the very least to ask him to post here.
I find it simply amazing that most of the scam accusations against casinos are by newbie accounts. I'm not saying all of them a liars but i'll bet more then half are full of shit. They open an accusation knowing full well they're cheating a casino is some way, shape, or form.
With that being said, OP you should probably send a PM to the casino rep on here so they can see your post. You may not be 1 of the shady users I just mentioned, just looks funny that almost all accusations are from newbies.
With that being said, OP you should probably send a PM to the casino rep on here so they can see your post. You may not be 1 of the shady users I just mentioned, just looks funny that almost all accusations are from newbies.
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