Topic: Shorena - To -ve reped and removed from default trust - page 2. (Read 1767 times)

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OP, I haven't found evidence that site was an obvious/clear scam at that time. Most probably I'll add a neutral one but I'm still checking.

Like I said, I don't agree with shorena's conclusion that dicebitco.in was not a scam, however I find his reasoning to be fair as to why he does not think dicebitco.in is a scam.

It is not my job to be the thought police, and if I believe that someone genuinely believes something to not be a scam because of rational arguments then they are within their rights to advertise such business.

lol when he posted that argument it was already discovered to be a scam for about ~4 days
go back to the drawing board

you  obviously dont care about justice, why should i switch to another campaign? he didnt

shorena had made an argument defending his decision to keep his signature up (at the time) in that he believed that they were not a scam. In fact, he made such argument in a very post that you quoted, and such argument was the only thing that you sniped.

Although I disagree with his reasoning and his conclusion, I believe that his statement shows a lack of malice in advertising that scam. I also find it reasonable for someone to believe what shorea said in the quoted post.

With your signature on the other hand, it is simply not possible for that ponzi to not eventually end up scamming it's players.

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I suspect that the OP might be slightly more involved in that scam then participating in it's signature campaign

Why are you wasting your time being butthurt over this though? Simply remove the scam sig you have now and move on to another legitimate campaign - problem solved.

It is a little like wasting computer cycles on useless work.

OK, everyone makes mistakes.... but, when its some-one like shorena nothing gets done, he didnt stop and he wasnt given negative trust

Everyone makes mistakes though. If someone stops promoting obvious scams and no longer promotes or wears their signatures then I peronally wouldn't give them negative trust.

Shorena contributes in many positive ways to the forum, so I see this as OP grasping at straws. 

If a site promotes itself as ponzi and lets users know there's a big risk then I wouldn't say it's an obvious scam. It's doubtful and it's arguably untrustworthy but not an obvious scam. Promoting itself as "100% guaranteed" is definitely a scam.


I know he was participating. What I don't know yet is if at that time it was an obvious scam or not.

further evidence here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=778953.0;all
his name was listed which proves he was still participating

I feel Shorena is quite within his rights to leave negative trust, and newer members of the forum should be warned about sites like this so I applaud him ( and EcuaMobi for the above quoted ref).

There is always a loser on ponzi and "doubling" sites. While it is permitted to advertise such sites here on the forum, why is it surprising that people that care about integrity give you negative feedback?

#1 this should be in reputation.

#2 thanks quickseller

#3 thanks for giving me a chance to answer to the PM:


No, the negativ rating is for promoting a ponzi. I will remove it if you remove the signature before you get paid. You probably just misread that.

#4 Again, I am not a God and I never claimed to be one. If you want to worship me, fine. I will probably not listen to your prayers though.

#5 The person that put me in this position is BadBear.

#6 I cant and I wont be able to go against all scams. Argueing why I dont go against something else you consider a scam is not helping you in discussion. Its not relevant. If you think there are known scams that needs tagging from someone from default trust. There is a section for that -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0 Since people lately start to make the section a pain, I suggest you read this in advance -> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-report-format-use-it-to-make-scam-reports-properly-260073

#7 My advertising for dicebitco.in has been explained at length. I might have been wrong about them, but to my knowledge they paid out everyone and closed shop. You might also notice that I still wear the rating I got for it.

#8 When I had doubt about a casino I advertised for I left the campaign and waived payment. They turned out to be honest.


@EcuaMobi: Yes I kept wearing the signature after it turned out they skipped nonces. The full story is that they also repaid those affected by skipped nonces. Firstly only those that lost, but later everyone else. The story was that they hired a 3rd person that patched in the skipped nonces, did a mistakes as they did not review the code before it went live. I can look up the relevant threads later if you want.

this sounds fair
ok, you can add the negative to his profile now

A lot of users were wearing dicebitco.in signature but before that it has been revealed 'scam' dice site.

TBH I don't know about that case. But a dice site is not an obvious scam until proved otherwise. Did he promote it even after it was an obvious a proven scam? I see he updated a previous positive trust to neutral after the scam was found.

On the other hand anything that "guarantees" always doubling your coins is an obvious scam.

To make it short: promoting a known/obvious scam deserves negative trust. Therefore I'm adding negative trust to you now. If you can prove without any doubts shorena was promoting that dice site after the scam was proved above reasonable doubt then I'll add negative trust to him too. Sounds fair?

In 2014, he was wearing the signature of dicebitco.in (as part of a signature campaign) even after it was discovered to be skipping nonces on a select number of user's rolls, and after it was alleged that they were using knowledge of the server seed to win large amounts of BTC of investor money.

Dicebitco.in was able to attract a lot of reputation because dooglus was endorsing it with his signature, being a moderator of their chat, publicly playing there and publicly investing several hundred BTC there, and he only withdrew his coins from the site hours before it was revealed that they were skipping nonces.

It doesnt matter if i attract more attention to myself, if they give me negative rating, it would be only fair to give shorena the same as he did the same thing

The only outcome that I see here is that you attract more attention to yourself and get more negative ratings. The trust rating is working as intended. You do realize OP that anyone is allowed to give you a negative if they don't trust you for any reason whatsoever?

Seems like the forum is full of mighty creations; we have wariors, a god, etc.