I do like the idea of it and that only means transparency and intergrity to the casinos. But if they're already a million dollar company, are they going to allow this to happen?
Because first things first, the ones who are technically good at it might see some bugs on it that can be abused by any player and that means money to them.
Money to pay for whoever abuses the bug and money to pay for whoever reports the bug to them. That's why it's one of the factors for the open source to make but then, even if they are not, there could also incidents like these bugs could occur.
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It would good if they want to show the source, but it high unlikely to happen except newly poor casino who create their game from scratch. If you expect gambling providers to show their source, I'm sure it will not gonna happen sooner or later because other people can easily copy their source and casinos don't need to rent from them.
Also it's need big demand from the gamblers to force the casino to release the source, while most gamblers don't care with that at all.
For gamblers to trust the fairness and know what they are doing, that option of open source will be nice, but for the casino side, that doesn't look good for their business; a lot might go wrong, either from direct copycats, competitors, or even players. They might easily be able to find and explore bugs around the system before the casino will notice it might have caused serious damage to them. Also it's need big demand from the gamblers to force the casino to release the source, while most gamblers don't care with that at all.
Yes, because by being subjected to expert testing we can have more confidence, although this does not free it from possible errors, it is the closest to the truth.
You seem to still not understand what open-source means.
Open source only means you can see the code, there is zero guarantee any "expert" will look at that code or try to fix it.
None, zero, nada, niet, keine!
That's the good thing, the rapid ability to manage vulnerabilities, nothing is exempt from failure, but these failures are resolved faster in open source than in closed source.
Again, not a guarantee, but also a possible flaw since any attacker has a starting point knowing the code, he no longer has to gain access to it in the first place he can now analyze it from scratch for free, you trade the security with a gamble on who will find the bug first, a guy willing to help or someone willing to exploit it.
But I ask myself sometimes whether these customers, which are the casinos, have a possibility to somehow tweak these software products from those iGaming development companies? Do you know how that works? I am not a developer. Are the products like "encrypted" or "protected" such that any casino has no chance to get into the software and manipulate the game?
Casinos don't have access to the software, they just provide the interface for it, they would not be able to tweak something they can't touch, think of it like embedding youtube videos on your website.
Casinos have a system called provable fairness which is used to verify the randomness which means the users don't have to blindly trust the reputation of the casino for fair results so I guess that is more than enough for an average gambler to get the satisfaction of the games are not being rigged. Making it open source will lead to less investment for the game development from the casino side cause anyone can use the codes so there's no margin for their investments here.
I think this can be realized for people that knows about it because I believe that a beginner in gambling will not know all this you people are discussing concerning gambling, but for me I know that you will not trust a gambler search Trust because you know that no matter the reputation of a gambler you cannot give them a trust it just like that so what I have to say is that people who is new in gambling will not understand this except that they go deeper or they experience some starting things in gambling before they can be able to have a such experience of a reputation and non reputation in gambling 
I think Binance should also make their trading code open-source, right?
Oh, and Tiktok should make their algorithm open-source! Oh wait!
These things cost money, a ton of money, that's why pragmatic is raking in millions, do you think after pouring millions I creating them they would allow anyone to have a copy of them or to build on top of them with just a few lines so they avoid a lawsuit and there you have it, a new game provider 100x cheaper run by a guy in his basement?
Oh, and Tiktok should make their algorithm open-source! Oh wait!
These things cost money, a ton of money, that's why pragmatic is raking in millions, do you think after pouring millions I creating them they would allow anyone to have a copy of them or to build on top of them with just a few lines so they avoid a lawsuit and there you have it, a new game provider 100x cheaper run by a guy in his basement?
Agreed that open-sourcing doesn't apply everywhere for a reason or otherwise we wouldn't have an environment where development is competitive and progressive in the interest of the user and of course the companies building things.
But I ask myself sometimes whether these customers, which are the casinos, have a possibility to somehow tweak these software products from those iGaming development companies? Do you know how that works? I am not a developer. Are the products like "encrypted" or "protected" such that any casino has no chance to get into the software and manipulate the game?
But then I assume the problem still is that they could offer the game, but do their own tweaks in the front-end and the user would still have no chance to verify whether things are correct or not.
Is that about right?
What is your opinion?
I'm not sure if this topic has been discussed here before; if so, I apologize in advance.
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But I think this is completely wrong, in the case of open source games, when the bugs are caught in the community during bug hunting, they will be able to implement a more secure system.
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Though, you are taking for granted that casinos or games providers would be willing to put some money aside to keep funds for people to disclose bugs they have found while playing their games. That won't be the case for some providers, so there will not be any reason for those gamblers to responsibly disclose the bug.
Also, you need to keep in mind those bug hunting funds need to be quite high and match the seriousness of the bug disclosed. Why would someone disclose a bug worth of millions of dollars in potential damages to casino if the bug hunting program only offers 500$?
The reward needs to be reasonable if one wants to see more white hat hackers instead of people willing to steal as much money as possible from casinos, open-source or close-source.
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What is your opinion?
I'm not sure if this topic has been discussed here before; if so, I apologize in advance.
I personally think that casino games should be open source, although many casinos currently do not use open source games and for the cause they shows that open source codes could be easily affected by the abusers like hackers. But I think this is completely wrong, in the case of open source games, when the bugs are caught in the community during bug hunting, they will be able to implement a more secure system. And regarding the issue of hacking, we have seen many casinos with non-open source games being hacked.I'm not sure if this topic has been discussed here before; if so, I apologize in advance.
However, before playing the games, we can check the provider name to see if the games are open source or we can ask the casino live support directly.
This idea may seem at first glance like an act of transparency on the part of the casino. Allowing anyone to review the software to ensure the games are fair and not manipulated, or contribute improvements and new ideas, gives users added confidence.
However, there are extremely negative aspects such as the intellectual property of exclusive games, the possibility of malicious individuals modifying the code to create fraudulent versions of the games, and the impact on the compliance with laws and regulations to which casinos are subject.
What is your opinion?
I'm not sure if this topic has been discussed here before; if so, I apologize in advance.
Making online casinos open source is like giving the gamblers and competitors an edge over the casino. This is a good idea, but it will not be favourable to the casinos. Competitors that get to know alot about a casino, including the casino's codes can use that against the casino to their own advantage. However, there are extremely negative aspects such as the intellectual property of exclusive games, the possibility of malicious individuals modifying the code to create fraudulent versions of the games, and the impact on the compliance with laws and regulations to which casinos are subject.
What is your opinion?
I'm not sure if this topic has been discussed here before; if so, I apologize in advance.
This will raise lots of security concerns for the casino too as some malicious individuals would also want to manipulate outcomes of games or even hack the system. Which will definitely destroy the casino's reputation and finances.
This level of transparency we so desire will not be favourable to a competitive industry like the gambling industry. There are lots of negative implications involved. Casinos should just stick to the usual Provably Fair Systems to avoid shooting themselves in the foot.
There is no need for casinos to be more open source than they already are, actually if open source is by showing everybody how transparency they are they would be the ones using their hands to pull their business down because completely making themselves an open source is another way of nakeding themselves and we all understand how someone who is naked looks, everybody will see every parts and components both big and small, from there they have already given a call for scammers to duplicate everything about them either using it against them or using it against others, so actually since apart from soccer and few others no other games are open source, so no need for them to prove anything.
So that will be too risky if casinos become open source because their competitor will their weakness and crashing their business. What casino needs to do is just gives satisfying to their members with so many things that can makes their members back to their casino. 
Casinos have a system called provable fairness which is used to verify the randomness which means the users don't have to blindly trust the reputation of the casino for fair results so I guess that is more than enough for an average gambler to get the satisfaction of the games are not being rigged. Making it open source will lead to less investment for the game development from the casino side cause anyone can use the codes so there's no margin for their investments here.
Did you know that not every player will be able to understand at least something in this provably fair? Moreover, for most players, these proofs are as incomprehensible as inscriptions in ancient languages. After all, this proof arose precisely because of the distrust of the players, and the distrust is quite justified, because when the code is closed, the game is not fully verifiable. In general, for the closeness of the code, in addition to the economic reasons listed earlier in the thread, there may be another most obvious reason - does that mean there is something that needs to be hidden?
Verifying the randomness of results via seeds is baby science versus understanding the code and find any issues in it so anyone can verify the provable fairness but to read and understand code it needs special knowledge as well as experience. I am comfortable with this because I can't read codes so even if the codes are publicly available I can't verify it by myself so that I have to rely on someone's words for that so it doesn't really make any difference
Casinos have a system called provable fairness which is used to verify the randomness which means the users don't have to blindly trust the reputation of the casino for fair results so I guess that is more than enough for an average gambler to get the satisfaction of the games are not being rigged. Making it open source will lead to less investment for the game development from the casino side cause anyone can use the codes so there's no margin for their investments here.
Did you know that not every player will be able to understand at least something in this provably fair? Moreover, for most players, these proofs are as incomprehensible as inscriptions in ancient languages. After all, this proof arose precisely because of the distrust of the players, and the distrust is quite justified, because when the code is closed, the game is not fully verifiable. In general, for the closeness of the code, in addition to the economic reasons listed earlier in the thread, there may be another most obvious reason - does that mean there is something that needs to be hidden?
I think Binance should also make their trading code open-source, right?
Oh, and Tiktok should make their algorithm open-source! Oh wait!
These things cost money, a ton of money, that's why pragmatic is raking in millions, do you think after pouring millions I creating them they would allow anyone to have a copy of them or to build on top of them with just a few lines so they avoid a lawsuit and there you have it, a new game provider 100x cheaper run by a guy in his basement?
Oh, and Tiktok should make their algorithm open-source! Oh wait!
These things cost money, a ton of money, that's why pragmatic is raking in millions, do you think after pouring millions I creating them they would allow anyone to have a copy of them or to build on top of them with just a few lines so they avoid a lawsuit and there you have it, a new game provider 100x cheaper run by a guy in his basement?
I'm not saying open source is good or bad, I'm just saying it has pros and cons in the context of casinos.
No, Binance doesn't need to be open source, the blockchain is already transparent enough and TikTok has nothing to do with chance, but it still sees the problem in the United States for reasons of security and privacy.
If that were the case, Bitcoin would be doomed because it's open-source, as malicious actors would exploit its vulnerabilities... wait a moment, which ones?.
Value overflow? The 180 billion Bitcoin? You think open source is bullet proof just because everyone can look at it?
Yes, because by being subjected to expert testing we can have more confidence, although this does not free it from possible errors, it is the closest to the truth.
No, open source has a reputation that precedes it due to expert evaluation.
Open source is meaningless if the guys looking at the code are dumber than the ones in a company with closed-source software, electrum is open source, that didn't help much before 4.2.1
That's the good thing, the rapid ability to manage vulnerabilities, nothing is exempt from failure, but these failures are resolved faster in open source than in closed source.
I think Binance should also make their trading code open-source, right?
Oh, and Tiktok should make their algorithm open-source! Oh wait!
These things cost money, a ton of money, that's why pragmatic is raking in millions, do you think after pouring millions I creating them they would allow anyone to have a copy of them or to build on top of them with just a few lines so they avoid a lawsuit and there you have it, a new game provider 100x cheaper run by a guy in his basement?
Value overflow? The 180 billion Bitcoin? You think open source is bullet proof just because everyone can look at it?
Open source is meaningless if the guys looking at the code are dumber than the ones in a company with closed-source software, electrum is open source, that didn't help much before 4.2.1
Oh, and Tiktok should make their algorithm open-source! Oh wait!
These things cost money, a ton of money, that's why pragmatic is raking in millions, do you think after pouring millions I creating them they would allow anyone to have a copy of them or to build on top of them with just a few lines so they avoid a lawsuit and there you have it, a new game provider 100x cheaper run by a guy in his basement?
If that were the case, Bitcoin would be doomed because it's open-source, as malicious actors would exploit its vulnerabilities... wait a moment, which ones?.
Value overflow? The 180 billion Bitcoin? You think open source is bullet proof just because everyone can look at it?
No, open source has a reputation that precedes it due to expert evaluation.
Open source is meaningless if the guys looking at the code are dumber than the ones in a company with closed-source software, electrum is open source, that didn't help much before 4.2.1
So that will be too risky if casinos become open source because their competitor will their weakness and crashing their business.
If that were the case, Bitcoin would be doomed because it's open-source, as malicious actors would exploit its vulnerabilities... wait a moment, which ones?.
Well-structured software doesn't necessarily have to be vulnerable.
There is no need for casinos to be more open source than they already are, actually if open source is by showing everybody how transparency they are they would be the ones using their hands to pull their business down because completely making themselves an open source is another way of nakeding themselves and we all understand how someone who is naked looks
If you boast about having huge genitals, there is no better way to show it than by getting naked.
I think that people overestimate meaning of open source. I believe that whenever people see open source somewhere, the immediately start to think that someone has already evaluated software, checked its code, found errors or weak points, and developers have all that fixed. Kind of "100% legit tag".
No, open source has a reputation that precedes it due to expert evaluation.
I suppose not. I also already mentioned this point above in the thread. Let's assume, hypothetically, that proponents of open source gambling, who cite open source as an important argument, would have to substantiate their thesis with statistical data on the proportion of programmers among gamblers. Even if such statistics are available, I believe that less than one percent of programmers are there. Then open source code as a means of control is simply ineffective, since it is incomprehensible to most non-specialists. Open source code on GitHub is effective for collaborative development, because 99.9% of users there are programmers. But a casino is not a GitHub.
Saying most users are not programmers is a very vague concept. Not everyone has to be a particle physicist to trust that quantum mechanics is real. To be 100% reliable, something must be carefully studied by impartial experts in the field.
This idea may seem at first glance like an act of transparency on the part of the casino. Allowing anyone to review the software to ensure the games are fair and not manipulated, or contribute improvements and new ideas, gives users added confidence.
However, there are extremely negative aspects such as the intellectual property of exclusive games, the possibility of malicious individuals modifying the code to create fraudulent versions of the games, and the impact on the compliance with laws and regulations to which casinos are subject.
What is your opinion?
I'm not sure if this topic has been discussed here before; if so, I apologize in advance.
There is no need for casinos to be more open source than they already are, actually if open source is by showing everybody how transparency they are they would be the ones using their hands to pull their business down because completely making themselves an open source is another way of nakeding themselves and we all understand how someone who is naked looks, everybody will see every parts and components both big and small, from there they have already given a call for scammers to duplicate everything about them either using it against them or using it against others, so actually since apart from soccer and few others no other games are open source, so no need for them to prove anything. However, there are extremely negative aspects such as the intellectual property of exclusive games, the possibility of malicious individuals modifying the code to create fraudulent versions of the games, and the impact on the compliance with laws and regulations to which casinos are subject.
What is your opinion?
I'm not sure if this topic has been discussed here before; if so, I apologize in advance.
Casinos have a system called provable fairness which is used to verify the randomness which means the users don't have to blindly trust the reputation of the casino for fair results so I guess that is more than enough for an average gambler to get the satisfaction of the games are not being rigged. Making it open source will lead to less investment for the game development from the casino side cause anyone can use the codes so there's no margin for their investments here.
But I am interested more if gambler would be qualified enough to see, find, examine, analyse casinos software.
I suppose not. I also already mentioned this point above in the thread. Let's assume, hypothetically, that proponents of open source gambling, who cite open source as an important argument, would have to substantiate their thesis with statistical data on the proportion of programmers among gamblers. Even if such statistics are available, I believe that less than one percent of programmers are there. Then open source code as a means of control is simply ineffective, since it is incomprehensible to most non-specialists. Open source code on GitHub is effective for collaborative development, because 99.9% of users there are programmers. But a casino is not a GitHub.
Since what you are saying is just a hypothetical, it is hard to say that this will happen since I have not seen any online casino games that are open source. Why is that?
maybe at one point you said it is ineffective.
Then I don't think it is necessary for an online gambling casino to do this. And besides, gamblers will not notice it either in my opinion.
It depends on the casino operators, but they can gain the respect of the gambling community if they make it open source so players can verify the fairness of the games, and bug hunters and software developers can add or recommend additional features and security.
The gambling industry is a game of trust among casino operators, and by having an open-source casino, they enjoy the respect and the trust of the gambling and gaming community.
The gambling industry is a game of trust among casino operators, and by having an open-source casino, they enjoy the respect and the trust of the gambling and gaming community.
This idea may seem at first glance like an act of transparency on the part of the casino. Allowing anyone to review the software to ensure the games are fair and not manipulated, or contribute improvements and new ideas, gives users added confidence.
However, there are extremely negative aspects such as the intellectual property of exclusive games, the possibility of malicious individuals modifying the code to create fraudulent versions of the games, and the impact on the compliance with laws and regulations to which casinos are subject.
What is your opinion?
I'm not sure if this topic has been discussed here before; if so, I apologize in advance.
There is no need for casinos to be more open source than they already are, actually if open source is by showing everybody how transparency they are they would be the ones using their hands to pull their business down because completely making themselves an open source is another way of nakeding themselves and we all understand how someone who is naked looks, everybody will see every parts and components both big and small, from there they have already given a call for scammers to duplicate everything about them either using it against them or using it against others, so actually since apart from soccer and few others no other games are open source, so no need for them to prove anything. However, there are extremely negative aspects such as the intellectual property of exclusive games, the possibility of malicious individuals modifying the code to create fraudulent versions of the games, and the impact on the compliance with laws and regulations to which casinos are subject.
What is your opinion?
I'm not sure if this topic has been discussed here before; if so, I apologize in advance.
I think that people overestimate meaning of open source. I believe that whenever people see open source somewhere, the immediately start to think that someone has already evaluated software, checked its code, found errors or weak points, and developers have all that fixed. Kind of "100% legit tag". So without hesitation they trust funds and personal data to that software. So to speak, they shift responsibility onto others. If casinos would become open source, nothing will be changed much, casinos possibly get more trust, but that can also have a negative effect, as scam casinos would add "open source" to their name and wait for gullible users.
Actually, most of the casino owned games are open source. Most of the close source game comes from the 3rd party game provider which casino doesn’t have control already. Also, we doesn’t need the casino itself to become open source unlike what you described.
Being open source on the game is good as player since we can guarantee that the game is transparent but on the casino perspective it’s dangerous since anyone can copy their games easily while they spend money to develop it on there own.
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