In my opinion if the casino can prove the legitimacy of bets' results it's already enough. If they can do that without exposing their software publicly they don't have to be open source. However, of course it would be an act of greatness if they decided to be an open source casino, so the trust gamblers have for the casino would raise considerably. There are more pros than cons on this aspect.
The problem of malicious individuals taking advantage of those open informations to create shady copies isn't an exclusivity here. There are people attempting to hack and scam everything all the time. The best measure gamblers can take here is to be careful where they click and where they insert their personal data. It's not that hard to identify copy-cat websites.
The other issue is due to intellectual property. In this case, the developer of the open source casino must be aware about this possibility, so it must not be something which will bother him if it happens. His satisfaction must be focused on having a legit and transparent service, even though there are people who will try to take advantage of his work. It's not much different from Bitcoin and altcoins. Copies will be always present, with some people claiming they are going to overcome the original.
Topic: Should online casino games be open source? - page 4. (Read 716 times)
They don't have to be open source. You have to read a bit more about provable fairness and you will understand that there's a good way for casinos to prove that results are pre -determined and therefore not based on your waggers. In the long run this also proved the fairness of results as it can be shown that it is random.
Agreed! Casinos do not need to be Open Source, there is no need for that in my opinion. Particularly if Fiat is a Currency they accept for deposits and withdrawals. The only necessary thing is provable fairness. As long as that is available for the customers, it does not help any of us with anything whether the Casino is Open Source or not.But I swear there were a few Open Source Casinos out there years ago? They were running on some random Ethereum Tokens even, unless my mind is playing games on me. Were there not?
This idea may seem at first glance like an act of transparency on the part of the casino. Allowing anyone to review the software to ensure the games are fair and not manipulated, or contribute improvements and new ideas, gives users added confidence.
However, there are extremely negative aspects such as the intellectual property of exclusive games, the possibility of malicious individuals modifying the code to create fraudulent versions of the games, and the impact on the compliance with laws and regulations to which casinos are subject.
What is your opinion?
I'm not sure if this topic has been discussed here before; if so, I apologize in advance.
However, there are extremely negative aspects such as the intellectual property of exclusive games, the possibility of malicious individuals modifying the code to create fraudulent versions of the games, and the impact on the compliance with laws and regulations to which casinos are subject.
What is your opinion?
I'm not sure if this topic has been discussed here before; if so, I apologize in advance.
Trade secrets are pretty much out the window and that is why casinos will proabably stay away and why they have stayed away from that. Some other online casino can steal their busienss model and now they have created their own competiton. Something that ultimately I don't think casino operations especially online casino operators don't want to do because there is already enough competition.
This is something I've asked before and I could swear a few people said that these games can be "provably fair" but not much more outside that. How does one do that? If I walk in to a casino, say in Vegas and start playing slot machines, am I going to be able to ask them, "hey I've put 1000 dollar in this thing, maybe about 50 pulls and still haven't won anything, I don't think its fair can you prove it to me that it is? What are they going to say?
We could say that some games could be tested mathematically by recording the results of thousands of bets and checking the statistics, but this is not a reliable science because the code could base its statistics on the amount wagered or how much money the player has credited to their account if it is not regulated. With so many possible scenarios, it is very difficult to speculate in this regard.
This idea may seem at first glance like an act of transparency on the part of the casino. Allowing anyone to review the software to ensure the games are fair and not manipulated, or contribute improvements and new ideas, gives users added confidence.
However, there are extremely negative aspects such as the intellectual property of exclusive games, the possibility of malicious individuals modifying the code to create fraudulent versions of the games, and the impact on the compliance with laws and regulations to which casinos are subject.
What is your opinion?
I'm not sure if this topic has been discussed here before; if so, I apologize in advance.
However, there are extremely negative aspects such as the intellectual property of exclusive games, the possibility of malicious individuals modifying the code to create fraudulent versions of the games, and the impact on the compliance with laws and regulations to which casinos are subject.
What is your opinion?
I'm not sure if this topic has been discussed here before; if so, I apologize in advance.
I think having all gambling games as open sources is rather an utopic situation, which is never going to happen as the market of gambling continues this direction. I like transparency, but I also can put myself in the shoes of those games providers who worked very hard on developing those games, just to be their source code being used by ill-intentioned scammers to try to gather people onto shady casinos and lose their money to modified games.
As it stands now, I am okey with close source games and providers, as long as they are regulated. A half way between closed source and open source could be a game being provably fairness. I could settle with only that.
This is something I've asked before and I could swear a few people said that these games can be "provably fair" but not much more outside that. How does one do that? If I walk in to a casino, say in Vegas and start playing slot machines, am I going to be able to ask them, "hey I've put 1000 dollar in this thing, maybe about 50 pulls and still haven't won anything, I don't think its fair can you prove it to me that it is? What are they going to say?
Either that they don't know or that depending on the amount that you bet, there are already pre-arranged numbers of spins for a big win. Most likely, the first option.
Seriously, even if a casino claims that, won't prove it. Slot providers don't want something open to everyone, the same as casinos. I'm more than 99% sure that no casino will ever be open source in anything.
This idea may seem at first glance like an act of transparency on the part of the casino. Allowing anyone to review the software to ensure the games are fair and not manipulated, or contribute improvements and new ideas, gives users added confidence.
There is nothing bad if we have all of them in turned to an open source online crypto gambling platforms, once we know that we have in place a genuine platform, policies as well as the rules of every gambling platform is what we have to work on and still go by their requirements, so if there could be a way that peoples request in satisfying them with full transparencies in gambling is more needed , then going by the use of open source gambling platform is well appreciated.
They don't have to be open source. You have to read a bit more about provable fairness and you will understand that there's a good way for casinos to prove that results are pre -determined and therefore not based on your waggers. In the long run this also proved the fairness of results as it can be shown that it is random.
So in a large set of results if the percentages tend to the odds advertised then provable fairness is indeed working. For the short term if the rolls can be verified it means results were decided from before. More gambler's should demand this especially from slot companies I think.
So in a large set of results if the percentages tend to the odds advertised then provable fairness is indeed working. For the short term if the rolls can be verified it means results were decided from before. More gambler's should demand this especially from slot companies I think.
Making Casino games open sourced may cost the house their edge at times because that uncertainty is the edge the house has got as it plays mostly in their favour and so if it's open source, a whole lot can happen to sabotage the system and even the gamblers may be at risk at some point so literally it not been an open source, is actually in the favour of both the gamblers and the casino in the long run, it's a win win for both parties.
This is something I've asked before and I could swear a few people said that these games can be "provably fair" but not much more outside that. How does one do that? If I walk in to a casino, say in Vegas and start playing slot machines, am I going to be able to ask them, "hey I've put 1000 dollar in this thing, maybe about 50 pulls and still haven't won anything, I don't think its fair can you prove it to me that it is? What are they going to say?
While they're giving provably fair verification for each hash and results for some games. Having the games open source seems to be a good idea.
However, I see a loophole here. We all know that casinos are for profit and there's something from the codes and algorithm that's being set to these games.
So, I highly doubt that they are going to allow these games open source and let the community do the checking for looking at their codes.
However, I see a loophole here. We all know that casinos are for profit and there's something from the codes and algorithm that's being set to these games.
So, I highly doubt that they are going to allow these games open source and let the community do the checking for looking at their codes.
And you think casino would be readily to do that?
Well, sincerely speaking it is hard because most casino wouldn't want people to know in their internal congregation how the games is being coded if it's provably fair enough, and as we know casino do codes most of the games to favor them most than those who are playing it. So, if we requests for an open source it would be as if that we want to know how they operate, and for sure most casinos are builts and modified in a way to favor them the most.
It's not about them agreeing or not, but it's just a suggestion and how to please the customer demand, but yeah, I agree with you that they might not agree with that, not just because of the fairness of the game but also because it's their business and they might want to hide some things from their competitors, but open source will really be a good one, but regardless of how it is, the casino will still always stay on the winning side.Well, sincerely speaking it is hard because most casino wouldn't want people to know in their internal congregation how the games is being coded if it's provably fair enough, and as we know casino do codes most of the games to favor them most than those who are playing it. So, if we requests for an open source it would be as if that we want to know how they operate, and for sure most casinos are builts and modified in a way to favor them the most.
And you think casino would be readily to do that?
Well, sincerely speaking it is hard because most casino wouldn't want people to know in their internal congregation how the games is being coded if it's provably fair enough, and as we know casino do codes most of the games to favor them most than those who are playing it. So, if we requests for an open source it would be as if that we want to know how they operate, and for sure most casinos are builts and modified in a way to favor them the most.
It's not about them agreeing or not, but it's just a suggestion and how to please the customer demand, but yeah, I agree with you that they might not agree with that, not just because of the fairness of the game but also because it's their business and they might want to hide some things from their competitors, but open source will really be a good one, but regardless of how it is, the casino will still always stay on the winning side. Well, sincerely speaking it is hard because most casino wouldn't want people to know in their internal congregation how the games is being coded if it's provably fair enough, and as we know casino do codes most of the games to favor them most than those who are playing it. So, if we requests for an open source it would be as if that we want to know how they operate, and for sure most casinos are builts and modified in a way to favor them the most.
What is your opinion?
I'm not sure if this topic has been discussed here before; if so, I apologize in advance.
People even stealing the software and it will be useless because the most people like to patronize reputation casinos and game first before looking for.thw counterfeit. And there are many reputable casinos one.
I think most of the reputable casinos here has shown their "Provably Fair", or at least you can test it out for yourself if they are really not cheating, and getting your client and server seed for verification. The problem is that not most gamblers are using it, maybe they are not technically include or just to lazy to check it.
So for me this could be enough for us gamblers to see what's going on behind. And their software could be propriety software and so they want to protect it.
Probably in the early days though, the software is not that "bullet proof", and we have heard individuals exploiting it and probably this is one reason why they want their code closed source. Not defending the casinos here, but I think the operators are not going to do this request.
So for me this could be enough for us gamblers to see what's going on behind. And their software could be propriety software and so they want to protect it.
Probably in the early days though, the software is not that "bullet proof", and we have heard individuals exploiting it and probably this is one reason why they want their code closed source. Not defending the casinos here, but I think the operators are not going to do this request.
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What is your opinion?
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I agree with what you said. However, 97% of the games you find on the casino are provided by the iGaming developers, content providers, and game publisher websites an example are Pragmatic Play, Betsoft, BGaming, etc. I am sure this iGaming provider team won't want their gaming code to be open source to prevent plagiarism or imitation of their gaming concept.What is your opinion?
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The only thing casinos can do in the area of transparency you pointed out is the provision of provably fair which will allow players to verify their game result.
Original games are mostly shared to create a fair system, to check your result is fair,correct or without manipulation. If you are referring to "slot" your thread question should be sent directly to the game provider not casino, cause most of the time casinos only pay license to the game provider and setup the dashboard to their casino without any access to the RTP.
The only things casino can do to the game provider only asking or requesting some game or table with the themes using their casino brand theme. These discussion already being discuss for checking RTP, other from third parties. But, until now we still don't have any system from third parties to check the fairness, RTP or other things for the slot. The only things you can do is trust them.
The only things casino can do to the game provider only asking or requesting some game or table with the themes using their casino brand theme. These discussion already being discuss for checking RTP, other from third parties. But, until now we still don't have any system from third parties to check the fairness, RTP or other things for the slot. The only things you can do is trust them.
And you think casino would be readily to do that?
Well, sincerely speaking it is hard because most casino wouldn't want people to know in their internal congregation how the games is being coded if it's provably fair enough, and as we know casino do codes most of the games to favor them most than those who are playing it. So, if we requests for an open source it would be as if that we want to know how they operate, and for sure most casinos are builts and modified in a way to favor them the most.
Well, sincerely speaking it is hard because most casino wouldn't want people to know in their internal congregation how the games is being coded if it's provably fair enough, and as we know casino do codes most of the games to favor them most than those who are playing it. So, if we requests for an open source it would be as if that we want to know how they operate, and for sure most casinos are builts and modified in a way to favor them the most.
That would actually be good as it would give us a chance to test if the casino is actually working as intended or ripping their customers off. Come to think of, I think I have never heard of a casino like that. The casino owners would say that they didn’t want to share their secret sauce but then they don’t have to provide the full code maybe? Only share the actual algorithm that decides the winner and that would be enough to test the behavior of the casino.
That’s a brilliant suggestion op.
*pats on the back
That’s a brilliant suggestion op.
*pats on the back
For transparency, it should be open source and also for security, as they can invite developers and bug hunters to check the security and flaws of the code.
By opening it and inviting bug hunters to check their code, they can enhance their security, and besides, the casinos do not rely on source code alone but on its reputation and how they present themselves to the gambling community through marketing and good interaction.
By opening it and inviting bug hunters to check their code, they can enhance their security, and besides, the casinos do not rely on source code alone but on its reputation and how they present themselves to the gambling community through marketing and good interaction.
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