Topic: Should this forum ban the use of chatbots and AI entirely? - page 3. (Read 775 times)
I don't think it's a coincidence that you brought up AI usage twice in a row after being reported. Coincidence? Probably not. Before the report, there wasn't any mention regarding AI usage and chatbots in your post history, and now suddenly, you're trying to portray that you're using this technology to hunt down scammers (and how exactly would you be doing that?) and discussing whether the forum should allow its usage. I'm pretty confident you understand how suspicious this sounds. Your posts were suspicious enough, following a specific pattern and writing style from the beginning; I believe this is an attempt to "come clean" about your AI usage and nothing more.
and therefore they will not stop using AI (I noticed many accounts posting In the gambling section in a completely suspicious way, but it is not easy to prove manipulation)
Those users want to show if they have an interest to gambling, since we all know most campaigns right now are promoting gambling, when they already earn sufficient activity and merit, they will apply the campaign and raise the chance to get accepted. They don't want the managers or other users to judge if they shift or change their posting habit just to fill campaign requirements.If it's not then it's the same as plagiarism to me.
Will you ban every users who post using AI? I see @OP didn't get banned yet.
Hey everyone,
So I've been using a chatbot to help me detect scammy behavior and provide arguments against scammers, and I've gotten mixed reactions to it. Some people appreciate the flags and scam accusations I've made with the help of my chatbot, while others think it's insincere or even cheating.
I've noticed that some people don't like the use of chatbots in this forum, and I'm cool with that. But I haven't seen any official petitions or discussions about it, so I thought I'd bring it up here.
What do you all think about the use of chatbots and AI in this forum? Should they be allowed, or should this forum totally ban their usage? I'm curious to hear what you all think! I'll be sure to reply to what everyone has to say next week, but for now, I hope you all have a great weekend!
So I've been using a chatbot to help me detect scammy behavior and provide arguments against scammers, and I've gotten mixed reactions to it. Some people appreciate the flags and scam accusations I've made with the help of my chatbot, while others think it's insincere or even cheating.
I've noticed that some people don't like the use of chatbots in this forum, and I'm cool with that. But I haven't seen any official petitions or discussions about it, so I thought I'd bring it up here.
What do you all think about the use of chatbots and AI in this forum? Should they be allowed, or should this forum totally ban their usage? I'm curious to hear what you all think! I'll be sure to reply to what everyone has to say next week, but for now, I hope you all have a great weekend!
Chatbot or AI apparatus is highly prohibited in the forum and there's existing sanction to penalize who uses it.
Using AI in the forum in disguise of using your self knowledge is plagiarism which is unethical in the forum but I think using a both to detect or pinch fraudulent fragments by which it's believed that there're scammers in the forum might be acceptable because the forum is decentralized and it's every forum members responsibilities to watchfully and contributes to the orderliness reputation of the forum.
You said, you have been using an AI to detect scammers but what you are actually doing is ask an AI to create a response and post it here.
And to back it up, here is your statement.
AI, GPT4 or whatever tool you are using, it doesn't give the most accurate answers that is why people are not encouraging it and it violates the forum rule
If you think it is giving you an accurate answer then insert it into a quote and mention it as was generated using AI tool.
And to back it up, here is your statement.
Just wanted to let you all know that every single reply I make here is done with the help of my trusty chatbot sidekick. Hope that's okay with everyone!
AI, GPT4 or whatever tool you are using, it doesn't give the most accurate answers that is why people are not encouraging it and it violates the forum rule
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No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads.
If you think it is giving you an accurate answer then insert it into a quote and mention it as was generated using AI tool.
Currently there are no rules but AI posting shouldn't be allowed for people to just copy and paste responses with no effort. In certain circumstances it could be ok as long as it's quoted and noted that it's AI generated content in a similar way that another's work you are relaying should be quoted and sourced. If it's not then it's the same as plagiarism to me.
And this is the interpretation that I agree with. Because you have some people over here thinking of novel applications of the use of artificial intelligence - as in, not for posting stuff but they are using it to structure scam report formats like the OP (seriously, that is impressive. I haven't thought about that), and maybe the same can be said about the technical support board where there is a convention to describe the problem, especially for non-English speakers.
You should not be able to use AI to make low-quality posts faster just to milk campaigns.
It makes no sense to prohibit something if you will not be able to enforce the prohibition.
Today, AI is detectable mainly for copy and paste cases, but it will become less and less so, especially if it is used intelligently, not simply for copy and paste.
Personally, I'm going to continue to use AI more and more, rather than focus on how to ban it, which is the recurring debate on the forum. I don't know what it reminds me more of, Groundhog Day or Neverending Story.
Today, AI is detectable mainly for copy and paste cases, but it will become less and less so, especially if it is used intelligently, not simply for copy and paste.
Personally, I'm going to continue to use AI more and more, rather than focus on how to ban it, which is the recurring debate on the forum. I don't know what it reminds me more of, Groundhog Day or Neverending Story.
Re topic -- no absolutely not. Don't resist change, and don't oppose improved technology from being used.
How is it an "improvement" if the poster is copy/pasting incorrect information, or garbage that nobody wants to read?
The most prolific poster is quite literally a bot that posts price charts every hour.
And everybody knows they're bots. There's a difference between that and implicitly taking credit for something you didn't actually write.
Several of the forum's most merited users often use scripts to create, and post some of their posts.
And they are their own words -- again, there's a difference.
Conversely, if a post contains useful information that is relevant to the topic, there isn't any reason why it should be disallowed just because it was created by a LLM.
In this thread, there's already a moderator who considers these posts to be plagiarism, just like many of us do. Its fine if somebody wants to post AI-written text so long as they make it clear that's what their doing. Why should someone be exempt from the plagiarism rule when it comes to AI text?
Is there any way to get this not rid off from the system? Except for those that are configured to pass update on a regular basis such as mentioning or price update on some specific thread and sites to reflect with the forum here.
We can ask them, but would you (or anyone wearing a sig) stop posting less if it meant you were paid less?
They are posting to fulfill their earning requirements, same as you.
I've noticed that some people don't like the use of chatbots in this forum, and I'm cool with that. But I haven't seen any official petitions or discussions about it, so I thought I'd bring it up here.
What do you all think about the use of chatbots and AI in this forum? Should they be allowed, or should this forum totally ban their usage? I'm curious to hear what you all think! I'll be sure to reply to what everyone has to say next week, but for now, I hope you all have a great weekend!
About the chatbot, it is difficult to take a position on it personally, but certainly, the forum frowns on a thing like that. What use is an organic post again if people can resort to that? Everything will look nonsensical if allowed and true self-expression will vanish, so it should be tolerated.What do you all think about the use of chatbots and AI in this forum? Should they be allowed, or should this forum totally ban their usage? I'm curious to hear what you all think! I'll be sure to reply to what everyone has to say next week, but for now, I hope you all have a great weekend!
As for AI in general, well, the use should be technical. You do not ask questions from AI and just write everything down with a copy and paste, that's bad. You can learn from it to have an idea of what you are to write and then write it down in your own way. Also, if at all you will write or quote anything online or related to AI, it is better you quote it. Otherwise, you will plagiarise so much to the point that your account would be banned.
Re topic -- no absolutely not. Don't resist change, and don't oppose improved technology from being used.
The most prolific poster is quite literally a bot that posts price charts every hour. Several of the forum's most merited users often use scripts to create, and post some of their posts.
With regard to LLMs specifically, which the OP may be referring to, they can produce a lot of high-quality content very quickly. As many may know, they do have an issue of sometimes making up information, and that is something that is being worked on. If someone is making many incoherent posts, it should be disallowed, regardless of how the content of the posts is created. Conversely, if a post contains useful information that is relevant to the topic, there isn't any reason why it should be disallowed just because it was created by a LLM.
Further, using a LLM will lower the barrier to entry for having discussions about topics that others may find interesting.
The most prolific poster is quite literally a bot that posts price charts every hour. Several of the forum's most merited users often use scripts to create, and post some of their posts.
With regard to LLMs specifically, which the OP may be referring to, they can produce a lot of high-quality content very quickly. As many may know, they do have an issue of sometimes making up information, and that is something that is being worked on. If someone is making many incoherent posts, it should be disallowed, regardless of how the content of the posts is created. Conversely, if a post contains useful information that is relevant to the topic, there isn't any reason why it should be disallowed just because it was created by a LLM.
Further, using a LLM will lower the barrier to entry for having discussions about topics that others may find interesting.
Hey everyone,
So I've been using a chatbot to help me detect scammy behavior and provide arguments against scammers
So I've been using a chatbot to help me detect scammy behavior and provide arguments against scammers
Chatbots don't do this... Relying on AI to make conclusions about whether something is a scam or not is a bad idea. Its the equivalent of posting false information about bitcoin in the technical boards... the info that the AI learns from may be incorrect, or it could misinterpret factual information on its own.
You may have good intentions, but pasting stuff straight from a bot should be discouraged. What's so hard about writing using your own words? As others have suggested, if you are terribly worried about spelling and grammar then you should use something like Grammarly. Nobody would mind that.
I do not agree with the use of AI for writing posts because it is not your own original content. You are just summarizing other people’s words and passing it off as your own. In some cases AI will just make up nonsense. Using AI generated content will just make you look like a spammer. Ai usage was not necessary to bust any of the scams you detected, using common sense would have been enough to notice any red flags.
I could recall correctly here is place meant for real human discussion and not bots to take over here.
FYI - as someone who records all posts, I can tell you over half might as well be bots; they just post price updates or participation proof and there is no discussion.
I could recall correctly here is place meant for real human discussion and not bots to take over here.
FYI - as someone who records all posts, I can tell you over half might as well be bots; they just post price updates or participation proof and there is no discussion.
So far it's very hard to let chatbot or AI do all the task here and to me I don't think this ai can give accurate results concerning an argument or between users who scammed or not. If I could understand correctly there are lot of users that has been reported for using ai or chatbots to make post over here, I could recall correctly here is place meant for real human discussion and not bots to take over here. So, to me this idea can be put outside here since it wasn't originally created for people to use chatbot or ai to post and perform most of the task.
What's considered AI today isn't even authentic... Just some human fabricated text;
You are talking about machine learning, which is one way to train AI. AI has already created new medicines, new rocket and airplane designs, etc. It cannot do these things simply by trial and error - it's not a million monkeys creating Shakespeare kind of thing. The AI learns how the human body reacts to pieces of DNA and designs genetic tools. No human could do this, or understand how the AI does it.
Currently there are no rules but AI posting shouldn't be allowed for people to just copy and paste responses with no effort. In certain circumstances it could be ok as long as it's quoted and noted that it's AI generated content in a similar way that another's work you are relaying should be quoted and sourced. If it's not then it's the same as plagiarism to me.
The problem with these accounts is a real dilemma because it is more than just getting merit points in order to upgrade the membership in the shortest possible time. Those accounts that adopt this method will get opportunities they do not deserve, and they will either rush to join one of the signature campaigns to take a place that would have been deserved by someone more worthy than them, especially if the campaign pays for posts in local boards, and therefore they will not stop using AI (I noticed many accounts posting In the gambling section in a completely suspicious way, but it is not easy to prove manipulation), or they gain a reputation due to their upgraded accounts that enable them to manipulate, spread false information, or deceive other users who are unaware of anything, especially new visitors to the forum. Not to mention those who will be able to take a loan from the loan board, that will compensate them for all the effort they have made in a short time.
Do you mean you have been using your chatbot to detect those who are involved in scamming? If so, how is that being done?
AI detection tools.I'd like to know your definition of AI, as most online services can be considered same.
What's considered AI today isn't even authentic... Just some human fabricated text; Imagine asking for a description/detailing on an inventory and/ house plan for a certain pattern of an architecture and you got 'em filling you up with copied and already licensed plan... Sometimes, they change or convert the designs but in real sense, it's the same thing. Does it generate a thing on it's own? I don't think so.The forum would be much better without these wannabe AIs... But it's impossible to remove them totally.
What do you all think about the use of chatbots and AI in this forum? Should they be allowed, or should this forum totally ban their usage? I'm curious to hear what you all think! I'll be sure to reply to what everyone has to say next week, but for now, I hope you all have a great weekend!
Users found posting content on forum using AI will be reported to moderator. Usually the moderator will delete the post and if they join as one of the signature campaign participant, they will be deleted without payment. Some DT can take definite steps to reduce the rate at which AI posts appear on forum - they can mark you as an AI poster and may even put you on their ignore list as well.In particular case - it seems @hilariousandco's post has represented all opinion. But of course I wonder - have AI posters previously been banned after being caught posting with AI consistently?
I asked the AI specifically on ChatGPT - look what they answered when I entered these keyword:
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Why AI post considered of plagiarism?
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AI-generated posts can sometimes be considered plagiarism because they are created by algorithms that can mimic human language and ideas without proper attribution or original thought. Here are a few reasons why AI-generated content might be viewed as plagiarism:
1. Lack of Attribution: AI often generates text based on patterns and data it has been trained on, but it doesn't inherently understand the concept of citing sources or giving credit to original authors.
2. Potential for Replication: AI can reproduce text that closely resembles existing content, leading to concerns about copying or paraphrasing without permission.
3. Ethical Concerns: Plagiarism is not just about direct copying; it can also involve presenting someone else's ideas or words as your own, which AI can inadvertently do if not properly managed.
4. Legal Issues: Depending on the context and jurisdiction, AI-generated content that closely resembles copyrighted material could lead to legal challenges if used without permission.
5. Quality and Originality: Some AI-generated content might lack original thought or depth, which can further blur the line between genuine creativity and rehashed information.
To avoid issues of plagiarism with AI-generated content, it's essential to:
- Ensure proper vetting and editing of AI-generated text.
- Incorporate human oversight to verify originality and ethical standards.
- Provide clear attribution and citations when using AI-generated content in contexts where intellectual property rights are a concern.
By addressing these aspects, businesses and creators can harness the benefits of AI-generated content while upholding ethical and legal standards.
1. Lack of Attribution: AI often generates text based on patterns and data it has been trained on, but it doesn't inherently understand the concept of citing sources or giving credit to original authors.
2. Potential for Replication: AI can reproduce text that closely resembles existing content, leading to concerns about copying or paraphrasing without permission.
3. Ethical Concerns: Plagiarism is not just about direct copying; it can also involve presenting someone else's ideas or words as your own, which AI can inadvertently do if not properly managed.
4. Legal Issues: Depending on the context and jurisdiction, AI-generated content that closely resembles copyrighted material could lead to legal challenges if used without permission.
5. Quality and Originality: Some AI-generated content might lack original thought or depth, which can further blur the line between genuine creativity and rehashed information.
To avoid issues of plagiarism with AI-generated content, it's essential to:
- Ensure proper vetting and editing of AI-generated text.
- Incorporate human oversight to verify originality and ethical standards.
- Provide clear attribution and citations when using AI-generated content in contexts where intellectual property rights are a concern.
By addressing these aspects, businesses and creators can harness the benefits of AI-generated content while upholding ethical and legal standards.
Is there any difference between AI and bots?
Anyway, if you are using these bots and you just copying all the text it generated you are arguing as a bot with a scammer, not a real person if you are doing this on the forum and someone finds your post as AI-generated like others said you might get red tag or you might ban but if you using it as a reference and get some ideas then I think it should be fine.
However, not all information from the chatbots will give you the right information if you always use it for ideas it is not a good source you might get misinformation. So people might notice it here as an AI-generated post because of misinformation or you leading them to wrong information.
I suggest use Google instead to get ideas and the right information than using chatbots or AI.
Anyway, if you are using these bots and you just copying all the text it generated you are arguing as a bot with a scammer, not a real person if you are doing this on the forum and someone finds your post as AI-generated like others said you might get red tag or you might ban but if you using it as a reference and get some ideas then I think it should be fine.
However, not all information from the chatbots will give you the right information if you always use it for ideas it is not a good source you might get misinformation. So people might notice it here as an AI-generated post because of misinformation or you leading them to wrong information.
I suggest use Google instead to get ideas and the right information than using chatbots or AI.
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