Topic: Should this forum ban the use of chatbots and AI entirely? (Read 778 times)

3. I've heard about tutoring an AI to post like you but I still do not believe it and I see those who are using AI to post to be lazy people. What is difficult in expressing yourself by yourself? Well, maybe I see it that way because I love writing. However, I've read you well that you made the AI usage known to all, so someone like you will always be forgiven and the fact that you still edit it means that it is no more 100% AI. Otherwise, your plagiarism may be too much.

4&5. This is normal, a forum like this will frown on such an act, but judging by what you used it for and a practical example of catching a violator with it means that your usage of it is positive to the forum. So I wonder what the forum stands to lose.

6. You don't need that. Anyone who calls you out will certainly be addressed because you've already openly stated your style and the reason for it.

7. You need to forgive the ineffectiveness of our search engines, it has never been reliable. But I can assure you that there are many similar topics like this on the forum.

Grammarly is slowly morphing into a full-blown AI writing assistant. If I look at their home page, I see taglines like: "Responsible AI that ensures your writing and reputation shine" and "Work with an AI writing partner that helps you find the words you need⁠—⁠to write that tricky email, to get your point across, to keep your work moving."

They're making a company-wide push to be involved in more than just the "revision" stage of writing:


Personally, I wouldn't use Grammarly; at some point, there's going to be little to no (plagiarism-wise) difference between using it or something like ChatGPT to improve your writing. (For the record, I don't have a problem with generative AI being used to improve and paraphrase writing, what I have a problem with is using it, for anything, without credit: I can't see how an attribution requirement would upset anyone but those wanting to appear to possess a skill that they're actually missing.)

Also, even before embracing generative AI (so, a little unrelated to this discussion, but, still worth pointing out, I think), Grammarly has (as far as I know) always been a closed-source online-only profit-driven black box... Definitely not the smartest thing (privacy-wise) you could choose to become reliant on and habitually pipe most/all of your writing/correspondence through.

Precisely. The forum is not designed to allow AI generated posts and chatbots become the soles basis of majority of the forum members. It’s still a lot different if we base our own explanation or discussion from our own points of view, not from AI or chatbots. While AI may provide more precise or bigger impact replies, but we all know explanations based from our own experiences are still the most reliable source of information not even AI can replaced.

Although I'm not in favor of permanently banning the usage of chatbots or AI models and I believe they should be monitored, do we need a chatbot or a language model for what you are referring to? I mean, any decent tool such as Google Translate can help you translate a text from one language to another, I know it messes up sometimes but with some corrections, what it gives us after the translation can be understood perfectly.

And about grammatical mistakes and corrections, we can use Grammarly or any other similar tool. It's not a language model so you don't even need to mention a source because you are the one writing the text and it is only going to rectify your mistakes.

You can't be surprised. Every time I come across these machine-produced essays my eyes glaze over them. TBH I only read one sentence further in your post.


We know this already, and I think that's fine, so long as the author acknowledges ChatGPT as the source of text.

Here is another reason to allow the use of chatbots on the forum:

The most heavily trafficked subs and threads on the forum are in English. The forum has various local subs, but the experience is not the same due to lower usage and smaller communities. Chatbots can translate posts to and from English and can help make posts grammatically correct.

It's clear enough that we have to get banned this AI generated posts and chatbots, in order to create a fair discussion between all members of the forum. No more exceptions, like this or like that. So if you get used to prioritize AI more than your own, personal opinions and ideas, then get rid with it now, otherwise you'll be soon get banned and vanish in the forum.

Be it plagiarism or not, using AI still falls on it and should never be tolerated in the forum. We are not computers here, but we are real humans, so we should stick to the main reason why this bitcointalk forum is made in the first place, that is to exchange humanely problems and solution ideas that are gained from personal experiences of a member itself.

This forum won't serve its own purpose if we only post following AI and chatbots. Instead of giving our own ideas and perspectives to the topics, we end up basing everything on AI and that's something losing the essence why we are here in the forum. Otherwise, if we adapt AI and chatbots here inside the forum, it's like we are not the ones that are exchanging ideas and insights, but it's already those computer generated robots that are taking our place in the forum.

I was also wondering how OP would be using AI to find scammers, I mean is there any AI that can read all the forum's data and you just have to click one button and it will find all the scammers for you. I don't think there is any such AI tool that could pull this off. Because giving a command and pushing one button is not going to give you the desired results. We are not yet advanced, although Elon is going to realise its new AI bot named as Grok which I think will be an interesting one.

Overall according to the moderator if the OP is using AI just to catch scammers and then mentioning the source then he is good to go, because to avoid plagiarism people give source of the content or product, so if OP would give the disclaimer that he has used AI to find these spammers then I will say he is living in the modern age. I just read a topic about AI and now this, and these two topics gives the vibe that forum is going to be taken over by AI which is not correct. AI need human touch they can't just do all of the stuff by themselves at least at the current era.

I would like to clarify that, as I mentioned in my initial post, I will be sure to reply to what everyone has to say next week, but I have noticed that some members have ignored my statement. But that's okay, it's good to see many responses!

1. Some of the questions you all asked have already been answered in my previous thread, so make sure to check it out if you haven't already https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.64262630.
2. I get that some of you might think using a chatbot is insincere or even cheating, but let me tell you, it's just so much faster and more efficient for me to use a chatbot to help me detect scams and create scam accusation threads.
3. I always review the chatbot's output before posting, so I never just copy and paste chatbot output like an idiot.
4. It's not surprising that most of you are against chatbots and AI, but I hope you can understand that I'm using it to try  prevent scam from spreading.
5. The chatbot has already helped me create scam accusation threads and flag some scammers, which has resulted in some scammers stopping their posts and one of them even getting banned.
6. I'll make sure to add a signature to all my replies and threads to let everyone know that I'm using a chatbot.
7. I did forget to search if this topic has been discussed before, but I couldn't find a thread specifically asking whether the usage of chatbots/AI should be banned in form of a forum poll.
8. As @Vod asked, I'm talking about website and tool that can generate text (as well as images and videos) based on what I want it to generate when I say AI.
9. I'll continue to use my chatbot to detect and call out scams to prevent the spread of fake or hoax information.

I've kept my reply short, as I've been accused of creating walls of text in the past. I'm sorry if I missed answering any specific questions. I'll be sure to check back later.

Which one exactly? Can you be more specific. Depending on chatbots/ai detection tools isn't that reliable. I have used many AI detection tools in the past, none of them are that good. They were never accurate and gave false positive results. So accusing someone based on those is not something I would prefer. In many cases, I have seen one tool would detect a content as AI and another tool detect the same content as human made. What would you make of that then!. Instead, I rely on my instinct, you can tell whether its AI or not. Not always, but your guts can tell something is wrong/fishy. That's the most powerfully tool.

I agree with what you say, but if there is a rule imposed for AI-generated text posters to get banned or restricted, how do you suggest are those posts identified? I know that currently, AI-generated posts are pretty obviously identifiable because most AI text models have a pattern for their text generation which is detectable if you use a tool, but when more advanced AI models are created that can write in different patterns which aren't easily detectable or identifiable both by humans and AI text detection tools, it will be a difficult thing to do.

In that case, the rule would be difficult to enforce because if we can't know what text is generated by AI, we can't take any action against the users. One might be using an AI but writing in a human-like pattern isn't detectable.

The use of chatbots or AI to post is not allowed, but there are no official rules as to whether this is actually prohibited or permitted in some cases.

I will definitely support the rule prohibiting the use of chatbots or AI if the admin considers this rule an official rule. Posts created by AI can be considered plagiarism considering that there is no supporting source and anyone who uses AI should be treated exactly as a plagiarist. Whatever is written in the post created by AI has been posted online elsewhere, however I do not see AI providing a valid source and this could be considered plagiarism.

The databases of AI are not up to date, but if we use our effort to research we can get the answer in a timely manner and humans can give the most logical answer compared to AI which just uses what can it extract from its databases.
The direction of the discussion will be lost if we allow AI to be used here, I can't imagine answering or discussing a topic with AI, a forum will always be about human interaction so I voted no.

What happened to your input in this thread that you created as an attempt to avoid receiving tags on your account. You no longer post there: Chatbots: The Future of Scam Hunting

You are clearly playing the role of an innocent individual pretending to be ignorant yet all you did was to demonstrate your mindset. Your ditec_wrogn account has been noticed by far too many members now and for that reason will probably not be monetised via signature campaigns in future therefore why keep up the charade?

Your posting similarities to a certain account comes to mind. How many accounts do you have in the forum?

The forum does not have a rule yet that an AI post should be deleted. An AI written post might look like a good constructive post, may look better than a post written by a human effort. Would the moderator delete it when there is no rules to delete AI post?

We need to add a clause in the unofficial rules first.

AI cannot solve everything, some of the information produced by AI may be incorrect so you have to do your own research. Moreover, AI cannot solve current problems because AI only takes past data and summarizes it for you, so AI cannot be relied on to solve current problems.

Exactly. Everything will be computer generated, leaving us the real humans not useful anymore. And real life problems and concerns about crypto will not be highlighted anymore, as everything has already its solutions produced by AI.

A forum is said to be a medium or channel where personal views and ideas on certain issues are being exchanged, thus if AI or chatbots will take place everything, then there’s no essence anymore participating in a forum where fixed ideas and solutions are already provided by out from AI’s point of view.

Of what use is your brain if you can't make constructive posts on your own. People shouldn't rely on machines to do all work for them, at least not In every aspect of life. I don't support the use of AI and chatbots in this forum. It will only make you lazy and unproductive. you can't compare the feeling when someone follow your idea and solve a real life problems, it's never the same when you copy and paste from a machine. Humans makes posts interesting and brings out different ideas and points of arguments in them. If you ask 5 people same question, you will have different opinions and explanations that are still pointing to one direction but their choice of words and construction will be different. If AI and chatbots are deployed in this forum we will be getting same answers with the same flow, because machines are programmed to produce same answer if asked same question by different people. I don't know what people find interesting in AI when it comes to writing posts and articles, the more you keep depending on them, the you start depreciating in your ability to contribute meaningful and constructive posts of your own.

The problem is that 9 out of 10 forum members will not spend their time checking whether a post is AI generated or not, and in addition to making a quality report from which the moderator will be able to conclude that the post should be deleted. Reporting AI is not the same as reporting spam or referral links in terms of how much time you need to spend.

In other words, you (and many others) are sending the message that such behavior is practically acceptable and the possible punishment depends on only a few members who actively report such things.