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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on September 08, 2024, 04:04:44 PM

This case is difficult to treat if one would be fair because I've read many of his posts in the past and my conclusion is that he is a good poster. But the issue with him is that he is representing a certain casino/sportsbook (WEISS) and seems like he is a lone campaigner for it, perhaps the owner or just a rep.

This might have caused his frequent and short posts for it to be noticed. For me, his offence is minimal, I guess he should be warned (at most), he ought to know better than this.

Very well thought out there, I think that guy is under the payment of some sort of campaign and he is paid to flood every where in the forum with their signatures, and regardless of what the content and quality of his posts are, posting in that manner is against forum rules.

At least leaving 5-10 minutes in-between his posts shows that he put a n some effort in constructing those posts, but in this case he posts less than 5 minutes on a multiple occasions, and that is unacceptable here in the forum.

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Quote from: Lucius on September 10, 2024, 05:29:49 AM

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Quote from: Lucius on September 09, 2024, 04:23:24 AM

I had several successful reports regarding this user, but my last 3 reports from ten days ago are still unhandled. Obviously, there are different criteria among mods, because the only message that these spammers understand is as many deleted posts as possible, followed by a temporary ban.

Many reports, many deleted posts contribute a first temporary ban. Many temporary bans cause a permanent ban. It's the flow of spammer to Archive bin of forum.

If the intention of a forum user is more than clear, then it is certainly demotivating that it takes several hundreds of reports to completely stop what he is doing. I think that's why there are fewer and fewer reports, and the report for the past period says that there were just over 1200 reports, which is a new lowest record since reports have been published publicly. One temporary ban should be enough of a warning for anyone who wants to understand that it is a warning for something bad they did on the forum.

If one gets temporarily banned, that means he should change his current wrong doings in the forum. Spamming is always a negative act, but if you continue doing it even if it means putting your account into permanent banning, that only shows you don't deserve a spot in the forum. This forum is not just posting quality and constructive contents, it's more on following what it's in the rules and not breaking it, although spamming or burst posting is not well detailed there.

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Quote from: Lucius on September 11, 2024, 08:54:03 AM

Honestly, I was too modest with that percentage, I think it's more like 50%, but that's still a matter of personal assessment. Anyway, I think that there is a lot of spam, but that there are too few people who still care about it.

Gambling discussion board does get a lot of generic and repeated posts, so I think you are not wrong for saying that section has a 50% ratio of spam posts. However, that board is one of the most crowded boards in the forum. The reason why people care less about it is probably because the board is good for advertisement and promotional purposes. We know most of the companies and services that choose this forum for advertisement either through signature campaigns or other means are casino platforms, and they wouldn't like it if the traffic from that board is cut. Regardless, the board needs to be moderated more strictly to make it cleaner.

Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on September 11, 2024, 10:01:30 AM

It seems that your topic and activity of reports against this user are starting to affect him a little Grin

. According to statistics, today he created seven posts. But five have already been deleted by moderators.

That's a good sign. I'm sure my topic made some other users report his posts as well and we are seeing positive results, at least for now.

Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on September 11, 2024, 10:01:30 AM

The conclusion is that someone will win; the only question is, who will have enough patience?

Well, I'm pretty sure he won't stop until he gets a temp or permanent ban, but we can do our best to push him back as much as possible.

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Quote from: Alone055 on September 10, 2024, 05:30:36 AM

I did report some of his posts, but that isn't stopping him from doing what he does. If you look at his post history, you will see that he keeps doing the same thing repeatedly.

It seems that your topic and activity of reports against this user are starting to affect him a little Grin

. According to statistics, today he created seven posts. But five have already been deleted by moderators.

The conclusion is that someone will win; the only question is, who will have enough patience?

Quote from: Russlenat on September 10, 2024, 09:36:56 AM

I suspect that if the posts are well-written, they might have been prepared ahead of time, saved in a notepad, and just posted at the designated time.

You are right, and I remember the one who wrote at a speed of two minutes, participating in the company signature. But how was he convinced that the posts were created in advance, although all self-respecting managers strictly forbid such behavior Cool

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Quote from: Igebotz on September 11, 2024, 07:55:47 AM

Moderation is also a "job" that is on a voluntary basis, the only difference is that we have a custom title and dedicated more time to it. Wink

Of course it's voluntary, but moderators are chosen to do a specific job, and those who don't do it over time probably lose their moderator status, right? In addition, moderators are paid (at least they were before) for what they do, and that is one type of motivation - while ordinary members who post reports generally have practically no motivation (from the forum), not even those badges that have been written about for years.

Quote from: Igebotz on September 11, 2024, 07:55:47 AM

Back to your statistics; there are reportedly high spam on the gambling board no doubt but going by your percentage 25-30%/100% is below average which means we have way more quality posts on the gambling board overall. If we're being honest, the rate of spam on the gambling board has dropped significantly this year, and the mods are more active now than before.

Honestly, I was too modest with that percentage, I think it's more like 50%, but that's still a matter of personal assessment. Anyway, I think that there is a lot of spam, but that there are too few people who still care about it.

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Quote from: Lucius on September 11, 2024, 05:07:30 AM

Quote from: Igebotz on September 10, 2024, 04:13:05 PM

Low spam report is Net positive for the forum isn't it? We may be moving to a free-spam Forum. I also had one of the lowest spam report in my section last month.

Unfortunately, there is as much spam as you want today, just look at what is happening in the Gambling board - according to my estimation, at least 25-30% of all posts in that board are pure spam. Members are less and less motivated to report anything, because it is a "job" that is on a voluntary basis, and there are very few who want to do something without compensation.

Moderation is also a "job" that is on a voluntary basis, the only difference is that we have a custom title and dedicated more time to it. Wink

Back to your statistics; there are reportedly high spam on the gambling board no doubt but going by your percentage 25-30%/100% is below average which means we have way more quality posts on the gambling board overall. If we're being honest, the rate of spam on the gambling board has dropped significantly this year, and the mods are more active now than before.

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Quote from: Igebotz on September 10, 2024, 04:13:05 PM

Low spam report is Net positive for the forum isn't it? We may be moving to a free-spam Forum. I also had one of the lowest spam report in my section last month.

Unfortunately, there is as much spam as you want today, just look at what is happening in the Gambling board - according to my estimation, at least 25-30% of all posts in that board are pure spam. Members are less and less motivated to report anything, because it is a "job" that is on a voluntary basis, and there are very few who want to do something without compensation.

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Quote from: Alone055 on September 10, 2024, 02:07:26 PM

Quote from: Russlenat on September 10, 2024, 09:36:56 AM

When we post, it should still resemble human behavior, with 1 to 2 minutes intervals it's no longer human behavior, but probably AI.

You are right that it's an abnormal posting behavior, but he isn't using an AI model or a bot to generate and make those posts because an AI would have a more formal writing style. He is writing those posts himself, the purpose behind him doing all this is still unknown though.

I get your point. Even if the posts aren't generated by AI, others might assume that because of how fast they are posted. If you're a genuine member who wants to contribute, there's no need to rush posts, even if they're well thought out. Ideally, you'd read the whole thread to avoid repeating what has already been said, which could lead to spam. Signature campaign managers usually include "no post bursting" in their rules because it doesn't look good. If you're part of a campaign, you should take the time to read, post thoughtfully, and stay on the forum long enough to make proper contributions.

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Quote from: Lucius on September 10, 2024, 05:29:49 AM

If the intention of a forum user is more than clear, then it is certainly demotivating that it takes several hundreds of reports to completely stop what he is doing. I think that's why there are fewer and fewer reports, and the report for the past period says that there were just over 1200 reports, which is a new lowest record since reports have been published publicly. One temporary ban should be enough of a warning for anyone who wants to understand that it is a warning for something bad they did on the forum.

Low spam report is Net positive for the forum isn't it? We may be moving to a free-spam Forum. I also had one of the lowest spam report in my section last month.

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The rules about spam exist, we just need to report it to the moderator, and they will handle it. If spam includes brust posting, then write details in comments during report, so it will be easier for moderators to handle them. There are no specific rules for brust posting, and it should count as spam. Usually campaign managers handle brust posting. So besides reporting to moderators, if you notice any campaign participants doing this kind of post, don't forget to report the campaign manager as well. So they will take appropriate action against spammers.

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Quote from: Miles2006 on September 10, 2024, 07:36:22 AM

I don’t think the time limit is necessary honestly, we all see post in a different way and we reply with our different view for example, a user can read the op and still go ahead reading comments that’s normal meanwhile some threads don’t deserve much attention and it’s not a must to reply, like sometimes I get busy and I intend to make post after then at the moment. If I should follow this pattern I observed I make post after getting full detailed of what the op is referring to, if the whole thought is coming from campaign post count I kinda disagree because most users are not in a sig campaign.

Time or the limit of the posts isn't the concern here. If a user can generate quality posts every 5 minutes, his posts are good enough and can pass a quality check, no one would have a problem even if they are making a lot of posts every day because they are at least contributing something in every discussion. However, suppose someone is making generic two-line posts with no substantial meaning or quality within an average interval of 2 to 3 minutes. In that case, that starts to become unbearable at one point.

Quote from: Russlenat on September 10, 2024, 09:36:56 AM

When we post, it should still resemble human behavior, with 1 to 2 minutes intervals it's no longer human behavior, but probably AI.

You are right that it's an abnormal posting behavior, but he isn't using an AI model or a bot to generate and make those posts because an AI would have a more formal writing style. He is writing those posts himself, the purpose behind him doing all this is still unknown though.

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Quote from: Miles2006 on September 10, 2024, 07:36:22 AM

Quote from: Richbased on September 09, 2024, 11:59:47 AM

Post bursting have been of major concern in the forum and I observed that most of the people that does post bursting are those with high numbers of post count per week in their campaign and newbies too and this post bursting is mostly noticed during the ending days of a campaign as some users does so in order to meet up signature post quota to get paid however, I suggest there should be a restriction that should be placed such that if a user makes a post, they will not be allowed to make another post until like 10 minutes or more, by so doing post bursting will reduce drastically but as for spamming, once a spammer is always a spammer so just like others suggested, report to moderator is your friend.

I don’t think the time limit is necessary honestly, we all see post in a different way and we reply with our different view for example, a user can read the op and still go ahead reading comments that’s normal meanwhile some threads don’t deserve much attention and it’s not a must to reply, like sometimes I get busy and I intend to make post after then at the moment. If I should follow this pattern I observed I make post after getting full detailed of what the op is referring to, if the whole thought is coming from campaign post count I kinda disagree because most users are not in a sig campaign.

I suspect that if the posts are well-written, they might have been prepared ahead of time, saved in a notepad, and just posted at the designated time. But if it's burst-posting with no quality, that can be reported and considered spam. Most of the time, those who burst-post are part of a signature campaign trying to meet a quota or have no time, so they rush the posts. It might be a good idea to report it to the campaign manager for a warning or even removal to teach them a lesson. What OP did is good because it shows concern for the quality of the forum. When we post, it should still resemble human behavior, with 1 to 2 minutes intervals it's no longer human behavior, but probably AI.

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Quote from: Richbased on September 09, 2024, 11:59:47 AM

Post bursting have been of major concern in the forum and I observed that most of the people that does post bursting are those with high numbers of post count per week in their campaign and newbies too and this post bursting is mostly noticed during the ending days of a campaign as some users does so in order to meet up signature post quota to get paid however, I suggest there should be a restriction that should be placed such that if a user makes a post, they will not be allowed to make another post until like 10 minutes or more, by so doing post bursting will reduce drastically but as for spamming, once a spammer is always a spammer so just like others suggested, report to moderator is your friend.

I don’t think the time limit is necessary honestly, we all see post in a different way and we reply with our different view for example, a user can read the op and still go ahead reading comments that’s normal meanwhile some threads don’t deserve much attention and it’s not a must to reply, like sometimes I get busy and I intend to make post after then at the moment. If I should follow this pattern I observed I make post after getting full detailed of what the op is referring to, if the whole thought is coming from campaign post count I kinda disagree because most users are not in a sig campaign.

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Quote from: _BlackStar on September 09, 2024, 11:15:46 PM

There should be some posts that could be removed for low quality with that kind of style - but I doubt anyone has reported them.

Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on September 10, 2024, 02:43:19 AM

I won't be unique in asking if you sent reports to moderators, and how many posts did you get approval for before creating the topic?
I just always support the idea of personal communication with moderators. They are often very responsive, and only after that may the question of creating a public topic arise.

I did report some of his posts, but that isn't stopping him from doing what he does. If you look at his post history, you will see that he keeps doing the same thing repeatedly.

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Quote from: SquirrelJulietGarden on September 09, 2024, 05:58:52 AM

Quote from: Lucius on September 09, 2024, 04:23:24 AM

I had several successful reports regarding this user, but my last 3 reports from ten days ago are still unhandled. Obviously, there are different criteria among mods, because the only message that these spammers understand is as many deleted posts as possible, followed by a temporary ban.

Many reports, many deleted posts contribute a first temporary ban. Many temporary bans cause a permanent ban. It's the flow of spammer to Archive bin of forum.

If the intention of a forum user is more than clear, then it is certainly demotivating that it takes several hundreds of reports to completely stop what he is doing. I think that's why there are fewer and fewer reports, and the report for the past period says that there were just over 1200 reports, which is a new lowest record since reports have been published publicly. One temporary ban should be enough of a warning for anyone who wants to understand that it is a warning for something bad they did on the forum.

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In the same way, let's not be disingenuous in the fact that most users use the forum not only for their educational purposes. Check the answers of everyone who answered on this topic (for example). Everyone wears a signature, and what it means, I think everyone can guess.
This person, if you think in the usual way, how social networks are used now, answers with one-line posts, just reading the forum. Of course, we can doubt that in two minutes, he assimilates so much information that he manages to answer often and quickly. Have you heard of clip thinking? This is because after reading short texts, the information evaporates after fifteen minutes. And from this, we see daily posting, such a large amount. The man confused the forum with social networks.
And yes, you can think that his signature can also help traffic to the casino that he seems to advertise.

Quote from: Alone055 on September 09, 2024, 01:55:56 PM

This thread and this discussion wouldn't exist in the first place if the user in question in OP was making constructive posts.

I won't be unique in asking if you sent reports to moderators, and how many posts did you get approval for before creating the topic?
I just always support the idea of personal communication with moderators. They are often very responsive, and only after that may the question of creating a public topic arise.

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Quote from: Alone055 on September 09, 2024, 01:55:56 PM

This thread and this discussion wouldn't exist in the first place if the user in question in OP was making constructive posts.

On 2024-09-08 @betswift has made 20 posts. It only took her 1 hour and 30 minutes. She started posting at 2024-09-08 14:04:21 UTC and stopped at 2024-09-08 15:34:10 UTC after make 20 posts. There has been no change in her behavior since this thread was created - but tell me, how many of her posts have you reported that were then removed by moderators?

I can't find any posts made on 2024-09-08 removed by moderators - have you reported them?
There should be some posts that could be removed for low quality with that kind of style - but I doubt anyone has reported them.

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Quote from: Mugtaiya on September 09, 2024, 11:11:31 AM

Exact same thing is currently happening on games and rounds as we speak.

Go look to see posts done within 1 minute a part from a legendary member spamming their promotional garbage.

Why are they even allowed to do this on the forum again?
They are above the forum rules from one member to another?

Did you check his posts before saying this? He is managing giveaways and contests on that board, and the problem we are discussing here is not just about making a lot of posts, it's about making a lot of low-quality and useless posts. The user you are referring to isn't posting garbage because he is making posts about the contests and giveaways the casino is conducting. You can see reputable members and even staff members participating in those contests because there is nothing wrong with that, it's a normal thing.

If you find a legendary member making a bunch of useless posts, even if it has positive trust, you can report them to moderator and no one would say you are wrong, but in this case, you are not pointing fingers at the right direction.

This thread and this discussion wouldn't exist in the first place if the user in question in OP was making constructive posts.

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The best we could do is to report such spammers to the moderators for doing such, and if we see such a thing persist, then we can ignore them or tag as well if needs be, this kind of spam is made obvious and i don't think it could be condoled by any standard or quality posting ethics, users like this are either scammers or trollers trying to invade threads with bursting posts, it is important that one knows how to spread the post across the boards as well as making a quality content on them.

For further information, some people may need to be reminded of this.

posting etiquettes
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcointalk-posting-etiquette-5184741

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on September 08, 2024, 02:00:54 PM

Quote from: Alone055 on September 08, 2024, 11:32:13 AM

This might not be something that directly harms the forum or its well-being, but it's painful to watch.

This is behavior is very common among newbies who have refused or rather are too lazy to do their homework on the forum. They probably think that this forum is like other forums where the behavior is accepted. In my estimation, I'll ignore him however if it bothers you so much, just report his posts and the.mods would lock the topics if necessary.

This is very common to those who are only posting for their own convenience, not thinking what would be the effect on it on the forum. This is obviously a proof of laziness as he fails to spread out more his posts when we all know its highly possible if we can manage our time properly. With this, it can be a lesson for him to be reported to the mods so that he will come also realizing his lapses in the forum.

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