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Topic: [SHUTTING DOWN] [DiceBitco.in | BE THE BANK ! | 1% House Edge] - page 24. (Read 102259 times)

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I really doubt they plan to run the site through a fair means. Firstly, they never refunded bets properly. What they claimed to have refunded were wrong bets. But not bets that led to those wrong bets.
For example, here is a screenshot of one of the bad streaks.



What they refunded were bets in the middle, for example  one or two of the 0.01 or one of the 0.04 btc bet. But the only way for me to win was winning 2 bets in a row. And I was clearly sort of increasing my bets in the martingale style. Even the last bet I won of 0.467 btc was after a nonce skip. And this losing streak was preceded by one or 2 wins and 20-25 losses. So just refunding a 0.04 bet in between doesn't mean you have made it all right. I deserve to get a refund for bets that went in the middle(the martingale bets) , else my style of betting wouldn't have matter, and would have been just like flat betting which is more -EV.

I have sent various messages to DB about this, with no reply. Also, when dooglus pointed out that they should refund the original bets as well right here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8895986
then DB posted an updated list. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8900650

and the only 2 people who were updated on the list with the original bets were Me and Stars, probably because it was only us 2 who had sent them a message about what dooglus posted and none of the other players, and they probably thought of not making it right for them.
Also, initially when I pointed out the bug, they had refunded a 0.2 BTC extra, saying it was a bug bounty.  But now after they updated the list, they refunded some more amount and subtracted the bug bounty from it, saying it was never meant to be, and bug bounties are only given, if you had not been public with it. I was like, Really?

I also contacted DB if they wanted to steal investors funds, then feel free to use my name instead of mateo. And they replied, their intent was to not scam anyone, which was the best laugh I had.
After coming back, they expected people to flock back to the site which isn't happening, so now they are probably rethinking their approach and launching project mateo again. They have also not commented to any of the issues posted by players on the thread specially when there is no chat at DB anymore.
They also said they would be willing to allow dooglus to cosign the cold wallet, but even then, after the previous scam, no one should trust them with their investments, specially because they can still steal funds by using seeds only they know, and after the previous incident this is very likely.
sr. member
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Obviously, they should (have) hire(d) dooglus and close the two problems with one blow (or in the very least work with him as a paid consultant)...

But it is never late to mend

It is probably already too late now.
The DB brand name is ruined, and I don't think it is a good idea for dooglus to step into the trouble after all these incidents.
Plus, dooglus was a big fan of DB, but it looks like he has turned to another site already. Tongue
legendary
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I don't think an identity would prove anything. IMO the programmer would likely deny creating the code as it would open him up to civil liability from dicebitco.in and potential criminal liability. They wish to stay anon and will likely not give up that anon just to feed the trolls

DB previously said he's personally associated with the developer and outing his identity could lead to himself being identified. I think it's an excuse, I don't believe there was a third developer, but that's the "official" reason for not naming him.

As far as liability goes, no court has the power to enforce a civil remedy on a website that likely isn't operating completely legally. As for criminally, perhaps on a looooooong shot. But you all do realize that you're "investing" or gambling with a (at best) semi-illegal gambling website owned anonymously, operated entirely though the internet, and only interacting with the owners through anonymous screen names, right? If your money is stolen, that's really on YOU.
I think the issue is that DB is likely not following the letter of the law in operating their website. As a result I would say they could potentially face liability (probably criminal) if they were to expose the dev even if they did nothing wrong in the nonce and mateo incident.

My personal opinion on them is that they have a lot of money (maybe they were early miners and have a good amount of bitcoin to spend) but have little business and programming experience.

Obviously, they should (have) hire(d) dooglus and close the two problems with one blow (or in the very least work with him as a paid consultant)...

But it is never late to mend
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Activity: 574
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I don't think an identity would prove anything. IMO the programmer would likely deny creating the code as it would open him up to civil liability from dicebitco.in and potential criminal liability. They wish to stay anon and will likely not give up that anon just to feed the trolls

DB previously said he's personally associated with the developer and outing his identity could lead to himself being identified. I think it's an excuse, I don't believe there was a third developer, but that's the "official" reason for not naming him.

As far as liability goes, no court has the power to enforce a civil remedy on a website that likely isn't operating completely legally. As for criminally, perhaps on a looooooong shot. But you all do realize that you're "investing" or gambling with a (at best) semi-illegal gambling website owned anonymously, operated entirely though the internet, and only interacting with the owners through anonymous screen names, right? If your money is stolen, that's really on YOU.
I think the issue is that DB is likely not following the letter of the law in operating their website. As a result I would say they could potentially face liability (probably criminal) if they were to expose the dev even if they did nothing wrong in the nonce and mateo incident.

My personal opinion on them is that they have a lot of money (maybe they were early miners and have a good amount of bitcoin to spend) but have little business and programming experience.
hero member
Activity: 532
Merit: 500
no longer selling accounts
I wanna leave the campaign and get paid what Im owed, since the campaign is no longer continuing and you closed with out saying anything u breached the contract please pay me, so I can move on

Is the campaign thread still locked?

If so it should be unlocked.

Last I heard the DB guys were planning to pay out this month's payments themselves. I didn't hear that it isn't continuing.
The campaign thread for september was locked around the time the campaign reached 100 users. They appear to be making a different thread each month
legendary
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yup, thats the reason why i left PRC. most of them are too blind loyal or maybe they want to recover some of their investment profits. After seeing those reported problem/bugs, i would be uncomfortable gambling there

Bunch of PRiCks.

Geddit?!?
hero member
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Wow bazza I also realized you are trolling on this thread as well.
I read your post on the official announcement thread.

2. Account has a flakes deposited, manl is very rude, even when I ask legit questions
3. Account has nothing in it. Manl is trolling me hard.

Have you never seen this on PRC ?
Want examples?

I think on PRC the staff are rude to everyone, even the ones who deposit a lot. Smiley

yup, thats the reason why i left PRC. most of them are too blind loyal or maybe they want to recover some of their investment profits. After seeing those reported problem/bugs, i would be uncomfortable gambling there
newbie
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I wanna leave the campaign and get paid what Im owed, since the campaign is no longer continuing and you closed with out saying anything u breached the contract please pay me, so I can move on

Is the campaign thread still locked?

If so it should be unlocked.

Last I heard the DB guys were planning to pay out this month's payments themselves. I didn't hear that it isn't continuing.

ITs locked I found it, you should pay out there money dude

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/dicebitcoin-make-the-most-out-of-your-sig-make-coins-by-simply-posting-717300  ITS LOCKED
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1333
I wanna leave the campaign and get paid what Im owed, since the campaign is no longer continuing and you closed with out saying anything u breached the contract please pay me, so I can move on

Is the campaign thread still locked?

If so it should be unlocked.

Last I heard the DB guys were planning to pay out this month's payments themselves. I didn't hear that it isn't continuing.
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1333
Wow bazza I also realized you are trolling on this thread as well.
I read your post on the official announcement thread.

2. Account has a flakes deposited, manl is very rude, even when I ask legit questions
3. Account has nothing in it. Manl is trolling me hard.

Have you never seen this on PRC ?
Want examples?

I think on PRC the staff are rude to everyone, even the ones who deposit a lot. Smiley
hero member
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Get ready for PrimeDice Sig Campaign!
.me doesnt have a very good reputation in my opinion, looks unprofessional.
µ
newbie
Activity: 53
Merit: 0
I wanna leave the campaign and get paid what Im owed, since the campaign is no longer continuing and you closed with out saying anything u breached the contract please pay me, so I can move on

.me domain , nobody will ever bother u . Or some of that domains that u can buy with NMC.

.me domain names have very good reputation yes...
legendary
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CEO @ Stake.com and Primedice.com
I wanna leave the campaign and get paid what Im owed, since the campaign is no longer continuing and you closed with out saying anything u breached the contract please pay me, so I can move on

.me domain , nobody will ever bother u . Or some of that domains that u can buy with NMC.
µ
newbie
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Apart from being an unlicensed casino, they are also operating under an Indian domain extension. Of which bitcoin and gambling are illegal in India. Everything right down to the domain registration is illegal. And under Indian law, the owners of a .in domain are legally operating in india - regardless where the servers are located. Running a bitcoin casino is something you would certainly not do with the .in extension.

What domain extension would you suggest if I were to put up my own bitcoin casino? Where no one would bother me?

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sr. member
Activity: 448
Merit: 250
I wanna leave the campaign and get paid what Im owed, since the campaign is no longer continuing and you closed with out saying anything u breached the contract please pay me, so I can move on
legendary
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Apart from being an unlicensed casino, they are also operating under an Indian domain extension. Of which bitcoin and gambling are illegal in India. Everything right down to the domain registration is illegal. And under Indian law, the owners of a .in domain are legally operating in india - regardless where the servers are located. Running a bitcoin casino is something you would certainly not do with the .in extension.

What domain extension would you suggest if I were to put up my own bitcoin casino? Where no one would bother me?
full member
Activity: 196
Merit: 104
Wow bazza I also realized you are trolling on this thread as well.
I read your post on the official announcement thread.

2. Account has a flakes deposited, manl is very rude, even when I ask legit questions
3. Account has nothing in it. Manl is trolling me hard.

Have you never seen this on PRC ?
Want examples?
member
Activity: 106
Merit: 10
I don't think an identity would prove anything. IMO the programmer would likely deny creating the code as it would open him up to civil liability from dicebitco.in and potential criminal liability. They wish to stay anon and will likely not give up that anon just to feed the trolls

DB previously said he's personally associated with the developer and outing his identity could lead to himself being identified. I think it's an excuse, I don't believe there was a third developer, but that's the "official" reason for not naming him.

As far as liability goes, no court has the power to enforce a civil remedy on a website that likely isn't operating completely legally. As for criminally, perhaps on a looooooong shot. But you all do realize that you're "investing" or gambling with a (at best) semi-illegal gambling website owned anonymously, operated entirely though the internet, and only interacting with the owners through anonymous screen names, right? If your money is stolen, that's really on YOU.

You are very much correct. Legality here is nothing. If their was a rouge coder, he could blackmail Manl or have him imprisoned for operating an illegal gambling operation. Apart from being an unlicensed casino, they are also operating under an Indian domain extension. Of which bitcoin and gambling are illegal in India. Everything right down to the domain registration is illegal. And under Indian law, the owners of a .in domain are legally operating in india - regardless where the servers are located. Running a bitcoin casino is something you would certainly not do with the .in extension.
legendary
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I don't think an identity would prove anything. IMO the programmer would likely deny creating the code as it would open him up to civil liability from dicebitco.in and potential criminal liability. They wish to stay anon and will likely not give up that anon just to feed the trolls

DB previously said he's personally associated with the developer and outing his identity could lead to himself being identified. I think it's an excuse, I don't believe there was a third developer, but that's the "official" reason for not naming him.

As far as liability goes, no court has the power to enforce a civil remedy on a website that likely isn't operating completely legally. As for criminally, perhaps on a looooooong shot. But you all do realize that you're "investing" or gambling with a (at best) semi-illegal gambling website owned anonymously, operated entirely though the internet, and only interacting with the owners through anonymous screen names, right? If your money is stolen, that's really on YOU.
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Locking down the announcement, since it served its purpose ! You are free to continue addressing any issues/further dialogue in our official topic here -->  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/shutting-down-dicebitcoin-be-the-bank-1-house-edge-716312

Once again you demonstrate your poor communication skills, typical of a European mindset that does not fully value freedom of expression. The proper response to these public relations crises is not to lock down channels of communication (e.g. chat rooms and BTCtalk thread) and not to label all your critics as "trolls".
You are trolling haha. The announcement thread was self moderated, and the initial announcement was cross posted here. There is no reason to have to monitor and respond to posts on two different threads.
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Furthermore, do you plan on making public the identity of the additional programmer hired by DiceBitco.in or will you elaborate on what legal or extrajudicial actions have been taken against him and what efforts have been made to retrieve his share of the BTC commissions obtained from the implemented malicious code? I see you have no qualms about giving away his first name and partial email address from your most recent pastebin.com post.
I don't think an identity would prove anything. IMO the programmer would likely deny creating the code as it would open him up to civil liability from dicebitco.in and potential criminal liability. They wish to stay anon and will likely not give up that anon just to feed the trolls
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