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Quote from: KingsDen on June 19, 2023, 05:08:08 PM

LoyceV's post count is 23k+
KingsDen's post count is 2k+
This already means that LoyceV had made 21k+ more posts than KingsDen and these 21k+ posts are still in the forum. So LoyceV deserves higher pay than me. Maybe it is the reason legendary members earn more than Snr members and so on.
But on a second thought, it could also mean that ChipMixer had already paid for those 21k+ posts. So, posts in the past are already paid. I am just reasoning from the both sides of my brain Grin

It's just like in real life: your previous job already paid for the experience you gained, and yet, you'd expect your new job to pay more because now you have more experience Wink

Quote from: LTU_btc on June 19, 2023, 05:49:16 PM

They already paid for these 21k posts, but these old posts continue to get visibility. Let's take one of popular topics that LoyceV made as example. You can try to imagine how many people visit such topics and see sginature ad in opening post. Or people who come to Bitcointalk from Google search results, they also see advertisment. So, advertiser for these posts once, but he get benefits from it in long term.

Exactly. Instead of $4 per post, a campaign could for instance pay $2 per new post and $0.01 per existing post per week. Of course, not all old posts are on boards that show signatures, and some will be on irrelevant boards, so rates can be adjusted accordingly. It would be interesting to see the click-through rate of old vs new posts, but only the companies advertising campaigns have this data.

Quote from: KingsDen on June 19, 2023, 06:29:40 PM

However, LoyceV's idea is not out of place but I doubt that any manager will implement that because on the long run it could encourage laziness on the side of the significantly higher numbered posters.

If the payment per old post is proportional to the clicks they receive, it shouldn't even matter. Even in existing campaigns, members sometimes become inactive. Usually they get removed after a few weeks, but I never got the logic. It's free advertising, so let them!

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Then, there’s a clause in the project I'm promoting where less than 5% of the posts are permitted to be made on a thread more than 5 pages. This simply shows that Best_Change believes that posts in more than 5 pages doesn't get good visibility. Is he right?

This will largely depend on the thread. Spam Mega threads are pointless from the start, while serious technical threads can still be very interesting even after many pages.

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Quote from: KingsDen on June 19, 2023, 05:08:08 PM

But on a second thought, it could also mean that ChipMixer had already paid for those 21k+ posts. So, posts in the past are already paid. I am just reasoning from the both sides of my brain Grin

They already paid for these 21k posts, but these old posts continue to get visibility. Let's take one of popular topics that LoyceV made as example. You can try to imagine how many people visit such topics and see sginature ad in opening post. Or people who come to Bitcointalk from Google search results, they also see advertisment. So, advertiser for these posts once, but he get benefits from it in long term.

That is why it is advisable to promote one project for a very long time, such as the chipmixer I referenced and the company I am wearing her signature. But then, it is not every company that has the financial will to embark on a long term signature campaign.
However, LoyceV's idea is not out of place but I doubt that any manager will implement that because on the long run it could encourage laziness on the side of the significantly higher numbered posters.
Then, there’s a clause in the project I'm promoting where less than 5% of the posts are permitted to be made on a thread more than 5 pages. This simply shows that Best_Change believes that posts in more than 5 pages doesn't get good visibility. Is he right?

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Quote from: KingsDen on June 19, 2023, 05:08:08 PM

But on a second thought, it could also mean that ChipMixer had already paid for those 21k+ posts. So, posts in the past are already paid. I am just reasoning from the both sides of my brain Grin

They already paid for these 21k posts, but these old posts continue to get visibility. Let's take one of popular topics that LoyceV made as example. You can try to imagine how many people visit such topics and see sginature ad in opening post. Or people who come to Bitcointalk from Google search results, they also see advertisment. So, advertiser for these posts once, but he get benefits from it in long term.

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Quote from: LoyceV on June 19, 2023, 01:13:23 AM

I have a different view: users with many old posts who rarely make any new posts are cheap for advertising! You don't have to pay for the thousands of posts with signature they have already, and you'll only pay for a few new ones per week.
This reminds me: I think a small payment per existing post could even make sense, instead of only paying for new posts.

+5,
Really thinking out of the box.
LoyceV's post count is 23k+
KingsDen's post count is 2k+
This already means that LoyceV had made 21k+ more posts than KingsDen and these 21k+ posts are still in the forum. So LoyceV deserves higher pay than me. Maybe it is the reason legendary members earn more than Snr members and so on.
But on a second thought, it could also mean that ChipMixer had already paid for those 21k+ posts. So, posts in the past are already paid. I am just reasoning from the both sides of my brain Grin

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Quote from: coupable on June 15, 2023, 05:39:30 PM

I believe that there should be no minimum post quota to be eligible for payment, or that the minimum should be 1 post. However, we must not forget that the manager is always looking for active posters to ensure the success of the campaign, and for this they set a minimum quota that can reach 25 posts per week. I have been in a signature campaign that Royce has been running for several months, and the minimum number of posts eligible for payment is 5, which, in my estimation, is a very acceptable limit.

I have a different view: users with many old posts who rarely make any new posts are cheap for advertising! You don't have to pay for the thousands of posts with signature they have already, and you'll only pay for a few new ones per week.
This reminds me: I think a small payment per existing post could even make sense, instead of only paying for new posts.

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Quote from: Xiestar on May 06, 2023, 02:35:19 AM

What do you think the right post quota per week?

I believe that there should be no minimum post quota to be eligible for payment, or that the minimum should be 1 post. However, we must not forget that the manager is always looking for active posters to ensure the success of the campaign, and for this they set a minimum quota that can reach 25 posts per week. I have been in a signature campaign that Royce has been running for several months, and the minimum number of posts eligible for payment is 5, which, in my estimation, is a very acceptable limit.

Quote from: Xiestar on May 06, 2023, 02:35:19 AM

I'm confused on the minimum post requirements rules. I saw many users being remove on the campaign by posting within the

This is subject to the discretion of the campaign manager, and we do not forget that most, if not all, of the managers do not forget to set a rule in all their campaigns that allows them to make any decision regarding the removal/cancel-payment of any participating member as it deems appropriate for the progress and success of the campaign and the project that it is promoting.

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Quote from: Xiestar on May 06, 2023, 02:35:19 AM

I'm confused on the minimum post requirements rules. I saw many users being remove on the campaign by posting within the quota.

My understanding is that there are many factors for eliminating participants in paid campaigns, managers have their own reasons apart from achieving quotas and others, only managers understand that, in essence: different campaign managers have different ways of thinking about their participants.

There are some campaign managers who pressure their participants to give their lives and souls to posting. They forget that the success of any project does not depend on whatever things (cool or rubbish) we post here.
Why we crave for quality posts is to avoid spam and give prestige to the company as per high quality posters are wearing their signature.

If I consider to leave Best_Change anyday, it should be to a campaign that has no minimum requirement or atleast whose minimum requirement is 10. I cannot imagine making 25 posts to earn reward, before manager counts my post, 1 is deleted or off topiced by a moderator and in the end I am denied payment.
Neither will I like to be kicked out of a campaign because my quality dropped for a week.

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Quote from: Xiestar on May 06, 2023, 02:35:19 AM

I'm confused on the minimum post requirements rules. I saw many users being remove on the campaign by posting within the quota.

My understanding is that there are many factors for eliminating participants in paid campaigns, managers have their own reasons apart from achieving quotas and others, only managers understand that, in essence: different campaign managers have different ways of thinking about their participants.

I've seen participants removed in campaigns with full weekly quotas and even more, but they're still being removed, it's only the manager who knows the reason behind it all, if you ask about the rules, of course every campaign writes that, 100% of the campaign cannot be separated from the rules set by the campaign manager.

My assessment, if you are in a campaign, do tasks according to the rules set by the manager and improve the quality of your posts instead of chasing quotas, I think you will be fine in the assessment of the manager of the campaign you are advertising.

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Quote from: Xiestar on May 06, 2023, 02:35:19 AM

What do you think the right post quota per week?

It depends on the campaign rules, if you're in a campaign that requires a minimum post for the week then you're left with no choice than to comply and it's because you've gone through their rules and regulations for that campaign and understand them makes you apply for it, there are some campaigns that do not require minimum post, but joining a campaign is by choice.

Quote from: Xiestar on May 06, 2023, 02:35:19 AM

I'm confused on the minimum post requirements rules. I saw many users being remove on the campaign by posting within the

I must correct you of this that you're wrong in saying campaign managers forces their participants, what i expect from you is to ask wether if posting more than the required posts for the week is what gives access to receiving their bonus or by the quality of what each participant produce and not the quantity.

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Quote from: yhiaali3 on June 04, 2023, 04:18:18 AM

It is a pity that I did not notice this thread until now, I enjoyed reading almost all the responses here, there were a lot of good opinions that enriched the topic.

For my part, I prefer campaigns in which the minimum weekly quota for publication is small, because this gives me a very comfortable writing space and does not make me restricted to the number of posts that I have to write to get the weekly payment.

Many of the members here have other businesses or family circumstances that sometimes prevent them from reaching the minimum payment sometimes and they may be expelled if this is repeated, so I prefer campaigns that pay Per Post. I do not prefer fixed-paying campaigns with a rather high weekly quota.

But in all cases, as long as the subscribers, have read the campaign rules and agreed to them, then they have no right to object, and they have to abide by all the campaign rules and exert their efforts to make the campaign a success and to receive payment.

We do have our own preference but i do believe that most members of this forum would definitely deal up on whatever terms and conditions on which a certain campaign would be having specially if it does have a good payrate per week then it wouldnt really be a problem at all but its true that i do prefer on having that kind of having no restriction on how much you would be posting on a particular week on which you would be simply be paid up on what you had posted which it wouldnt really be that stressful or really that get pressured just because there's no such rule about being kicked or what but we know that only few
campaigns does have this rule.

Usually they would be having that 10 post minimum and 25 maximum or having that 25 post for eligibility on getting paid, but actually its not really that hard to have this kind of rule.
Ex. in my campaign which it does ask out 15 post per week which this is something that you cant see this kind of campaign where usually ask 25-30 or something like
on this level.

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It is a pity that I did not notice this thread until now, I enjoyed reading almost all the responses here, there were a lot of good opinions that enriched the topic.

For my part, I prefer campaigns in which the minimum weekly quota for publication is small, because this gives me a very comfortable writing space and does not make me restricted to the number of posts that I have to write to get the weekly payment.

Many of the members here have other businesses or family circumstances that sometimes prevent them from reaching the minimum payment sometimes and they may be expelled if this is repeated, so I prefer campaigns that pay Per Post. I do not prefer fixed-paying campaigns with a rather high weekly quota.

But in all cases, as long as the subscribers, have read the campaign rules and agreed to them, then they have no right to object, and they have to abide by all the campaign rules and exert their efforts to make the campaign a success and to receive payment.

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Quote from: Xiestar on May 06, 2023, 02:35:19 AM

What do you think the right post quota per week?

There are currently several campaigns ongoing right now, and personally i don't see any problem with them in any way. The rules are clear and easy to follow for any regular poster who has good content and avoids spamming or copying. Add to that many of the signature managers themselves participate in other campaigns.

Simply if you dislike the rules of a particular campaign you have other options. If you cant meet the minimum required number of posts per week for that campaign, you can find another one that doesnt have such a requirement and still receive regular payment per post. What truly matters is the quality of your post. In my humble opinion your topic serves no purpose here.

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Quote from: avp2306 on May 23, 2023, 05:26:30 AM

Expected to see like that on a campaign where the manager doesn't have any intention to create quality campaign since there main intention is to spam the forum and make their signature visible on any section of this forum.

1xbit joiners doesn't afraid to do that since they don't lose anything since there reputation is ruined already. So the only thing we can do about that case is to report the post if we see it as spam so that moderators can notice and delete those post.

1xbit if you check their spreadsheet cannot get reputable and prominent posters because no prominent posters would like to associate themselves with scammers, so many 1xbit are spammers, and many of them become active for 1xbit but when there's no 1xbit campaign they are inactive, 1xbit participants' accounts are disposable, although their rewards is very tempted but their campaign is seasonal.
Going back to the signature campaign quota for very active posters numbers do not matter he'll just post not to meet requirements but he based it on the discussion that he can take part in, and with many new topics popping up he can always hit the quota or even exceed the required number.

Well, if you compare all the campaigns, you will find that the participants of 1xbit are mostly spammers and also they do not care about their posting habits neither they want to improve them because they know that they won't be accepted in any other campaign, so why make the effort to make constructive posts.

Quote from: judeafante on May 21, 2023, 04:29:35 PM

It goes with the habit if you're posting 30 to 40 posts a week without a banner attached to your profile then you get into a campaign that asks you to post 20 posts a week you will not think of the numbers and will prefer to continue what you love doing and have been doing, but if you're a lazy poster and suddenly you're in a 20 posts campaign, you'll struggle to keep up with the numbers.

Making 20 posts a week is a fair requirement and anyone who is active on the forum can easily make these number of posts. If anyone cannot even make 20 post a week, then I am afraid he should not be in a signature campaign, as the campaign requires active members and not the ones who feel burden making the posts.

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Quote from: avp2306 on May 23, 2023, 05:26:30 AM

Expected to see like that on a campaign where the manager doesn't have any intention to create quality campaign since there main intention is to spam the forum and make their signature visible on any section of this forum.

1xbit joiners doesn't afraid to do that since they don't lose anything since there reputation is ruined already. So the only thing we can do about that case is to report the post if we see it as spam so that moderators can notice and delete those post.

1xbit if you check their spreadsheet cannot get reputable and prominent posters because no prominent posters would like to associate themselves with scammers, so many 1xbit are spammers, and many of them become active for 1xbit but when there's no 1xbit campaign they are inactive, 1xbit participants' accounts are disposable, although their rewards is very tempted but their campaign is seasonal.
Going back to the signature campaign quota for very active posters numbers do not matter he'll just post not to meet requirements but he based it on the discussion that he can take part in, and with many new topics popping up he can always hit the quota or even exceed the required number.

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Even with a campiagn with maximum 20 posts, people can still spam with non-consructive posts. I guess we cannot say that everyone in a certain campiagn is a spammer but it varies on person to person. Yes, there is one campiagn 1xbit, where you will find the most spam posts by their participants.

Hhampuz noticed that in his campaign and went on a rapid removal of those that haven't been constructive in their posting in the past weeks. It doesn't matter what the weekly quota is, people will always look for a way to do less work to get paid the same. In 1xbit campaign, we still have decent posters that only joined that campaign because they had no other chance of joining other campaigns as their accounts has been red trusted. While we have those that changed to spammers immediately they got accepted into the campaign.

They did that because (1) their account has no value anymore and because they understand that the campaign manager doesn't care for the quality of the post and that's why having quality managers managing campaigns on the forum is very vital. I have noticed both campaigns and managers shape they way people post when they're enrolled in that campaign. We have some high paying and quality campaigns on the forum, when you observe the participants of the campaign write you'll see the difference between their write ups and that of those in average paying campaign. To retain their slots you see them put more efforts in their write ups.

Expected to see like that on a campaign where the manager doesn't have any intention to create quality campaign since there main intention is to spam the forum and make their signature visible on any section of this forum.

1xbit joiners doesn't afraid to do that since they don't lose anything since there reputation is ruined already. So the only thing we can do about that case is to report the post if we see it as spam so that moderators can notice and delete those post.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on May 20, 2023, 10:49:18 PM

Even with a campiagn with maximum 20 posts, people can still spam with non-consructive posts. I guess we cannot say that everyone in a certain campiagn is a spammer but it varies on person to person. Yes, there is one campiagn 1xbit, where you will find the most spam posts by their participants.

Hhampuz noticed that in his campaign and went on a rapid removal of those that haven't been constructive in their posting in the past weeks. It doesn't matter what the weekly quota is, people will always look for a way to do less work to get paid the same. In 1xbit campaign, we still have decent posters that only joined that campaign because they had no other chance of joining other campaigns as their accounts has been red trusted. While we have those that changed to spammers immediately they got accepted into the campaign.

They did that because (1) their account has no value anymore and because they understand that the campaign manager doesn't care for the quality of the post and that's why having quality managers managing campaigns on the forum is very vital. I have noticed both campaigns and managers shape they way people post when they're enrolled in that campaign. We have some high paying and quality campaigns on the forum, when you observe the participants of the campaign write you'll see the difference between their write ups and that of those in average paying campaign. To retain their slots you see them put more efforts in their write ups.

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It goes with the habit if you're posting 30 to 40 posts a week without a banner attached to your profile then you get into a campaign that asks you to post 20 posts a week you will not think of the numbers and will prefer to continue what you love doing and have been doing, but if you're a lazy poster and suddenly you're in a 20 posts campaign, you'll struggle to keep up with the numbers.

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Quote from: KingsDen on May 16, 2023, 05:43:35 PM

I want to involve in your imagination. Can you imagine yourself in a campaign that requires 100+ posts per week? Just think about stake Grin

Stake doesn't actually require its participants to make 100+ posts per week. The minimum post requirement to get paid is just 25, although it seems they're still paying those who make less than the required 25 posts but with a different pay rate. Also, posts beyond the minimum are paid but with a significantly low rate, less than half of the rate for the first 25 posts. And then there's also the payment limit. So you cannot just post non-stop and get paid for it.

You're correct, but I read most of users posts, they're talking about campaign participants are only posts to get paid, not writing in natural.

Let's use Stake campaign as the example, the minimum posts per week is 25 posts and they willing to pay maximum of $125 per week excluding the $35 bonus.

When someone create 25 posts, people will say this user is only posts to get paid.

When someone create 83 posts (58 gambling posts) or 95 posts (70 posts non gambling), people will say this user is only posts to get maximum extra payment.

When someone create long posts, people will say this user is trying to become a best poster to earn bonus.

People aren't happy with that, they're want to see you're really posting without get any cent. Cheesy

To be honest, it is hard to satisfy everyone. As long as you are making good constrcutive posts and a few posts above the minimum requirement you are good to go. I think only stake campiagn allows you to make a lot of posts and give incentive for those posts, but then the incentive is too low for the Hero / Legendary members in that campiagn. Still i see some of the posters make very decnt posts even if they post much more than the others.

Even with a campiagn with maximum 20 posts, people can still spam with non-consructive posts. I guess we cannot say that everyone in a certain campiagn is a spammer but it varies on person to person. Yes, there is one campiagn 1xbit, where you will find the most spam posts by their participants.

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Quote from: Darker45 on May 20, 2023, 09:01:04 PM

That's why I would have preferred that gambling discussions be more specific. The NBA thread by ingiltere, for example, has been around for 8 long years. And it will stay for god knows when. For as long as there's the NBA, this mega thread would continue to grow and grow. The same goes to other sports and leagues.

The discussion is also compromised a bit because there are so many topics within the NBA, for example. There could be a number of games happening at the same time. And people are talking of different games and teams and players in a single thread. This topsy-turvy thread could be avoided if it's broken down into specifics, say, NBA Western Conference Finals: Lakers vs. Nuggets. This would result into a more focused discussion that would be closed when the series ends.

This is something you can think about for future threads. NFL season will start in a few months and I barely see any discussion on that sport. I personally think the NBA thread needs to be at the least separated year by year, but since it's going for 8 years I don't think that will change now. If someone did change, the other thread wouldn't die, it would need to be locked to keep people from posting.

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Now I can't imagine myself in campaign which would require 25-30 posts.

What if your current campaign increases the minimum post to 25 will you get out of the current campaign, now that there are so many applicants and yet few campaigns, that number doesn't matter if you are knowledgeable on the many subjects here in this forum and you are an active poster by habit, your motivation should be your habit not on numbers.

I find myself struggling at times to get 25 posts in a week actually. I try not to post in mega threads minus the NBA betting and season threads in gambling discussion boards and that's because I actually watch basketball and feel I know what I'm talking about. I talk ab out mega threads as I do not see enough new threads each week that interest me, I see a lot of people post only in mega threads to hit post quotas. I'm motivated to post but I don't want to continue to post in the same threads over and over like I see a lot of people doing.

That's why I would have preferred that gambling discussions be more specific. The NBA thread by ingiltere, for example, has been around for 8 long years. And it will stay for god knows when. For as long as there's the NBA, this mega thread would continue to grow and grow. The same goes to other sports and leagues.

The discussion is also compromised a bit because there are so many topics within the NBA, for example. There could be a number of games happening at the same time. And people are talking of different games and teams and players in a single thread. This topsy-turvy thread could be avoided if it's broken down into specifics, say, NBA Western Conference Finals: Lakers vs. Nuggets. This would result into a more focused discussion that would be closed when the series ends.

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