Signature Campaigns causing lifeless posts in Gambling section

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Quote from: hd49728 on November 08, 2019, 04:35:35 AM

Quote from: actmyname on November 07, 2019, 01:11:31 PM

Think of it like this way: a guided experience through gambling is almost certainly better than someone stumbling into their first gambling experience without any precautionary measures. /derail

In my opinion it's been steadily more difficult to start constructive topics in the Gambling and Bitcoin Discussion boards. Over the past year, I'd only thought up a noteworthy thread (that wasn't redundant) once, in regards to Bitcoin Discussion. In that sense, it's more of a survivor bias where you are finding solely spam posts because those that care about their posts seldom stoop to that level.

If the forum won't disable signatures in those discussion boards, I propose:

Stop counting posts made in any discussion board to users' postcounts and activities will stop spam-endemic. It is unrealistic to ask for more companies or managers of shit companies/ campaigns to control the post-quality of their participants. This is a very good solution, I think, because the forum and admin still want to give privileges to wear signatures (and get money) for good users.

Spammers will stop spam if their posts won't be counted. When they stop spamming (posts, topics), constructive posts/ topics will appear consequently.

Quite right, and these BMs have no reason to make efforts on stopping shitposting. Cryptotalk campaign campaign is causing huge spam on forum currently, but guess what these spam has what actually made it popular.

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Quote from: actmyname on November 07, 2019, 01:11:31 PM

Think of it like this way: a guided experience through gambling is almost certainly better than someone stumbling into their first gambling experience without any precautionary measures. /derail

In my opinion it's been steadily more difficult to start constructive topics in the Gambling and Bitcoin Discussion boards. Over the past year, I'd only thought up a noteworthy thread (that wasn't redundant) once, in regards to Bitcoin Discussion. In that sense, it's more of a survivor bias where you are finding solely spam posts because those that care about their posts seldom stoop to that level.

If the forum won't disable signatures in those discussion boards, I propose:

Stop counting posts made in any discussion board to users' postcounts and activities will stop spam-endemic. It is unrealistic to ask for more companies or managers of shit companies/ campaigns to control the post-quality of their participants. This is a very good solution, I think, because the forum and admin still want to give privileges to wear signatures (and get money) for good users.

Spammers will stop spam if their posts won't be counted. When they stop spamming (posts, topics), constructive posts/ topics will appear consequently.

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Quote from: 1miau on October 20, 2019, 04:24:25 PM

The merit system is already a good tool preventing bad posters from joining a BTC-paid campaign but sometimes it's difficult to find users willing to join a campaign. yahoo62278 explained the situation very well:
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This is utter nonsense. Some education might enlighten your minds. It's all about supply and demand. If you supply shit paying campaigns, then don't be surprised when the demand is only generated by shit posting monkeys. The user in question and his kind should be permanently removed, and severe consequences should be issued for the manager(s) (note: I have not looked at who this is, nor do I care).

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Quote from: shield132 on November 07, 2019, 12:02:07 PM

Just tell me the logic behind this question. It's like are you willing to teach your children drink if you don't get headaches after hangover?
I know a lot of silly questions are asked there while there are really some interesting topics too but cmon, don't open your fantasy so widely. Don't post anything for the sake of signature, enough is enough.

That's a false equivalency, actually.

Though both alcohol and gambling addiction are prevalent in society, the former has a significantly higher toll on the physiological health of the user. The latter would be a financial toll however depending on what kind of gambling you're "teaching" your pupils can actually perform better in terms of risk management and control.

Think of it like this way: a guided experience through gambling is almost certainly better than someone stumbling into their first gambling experience without any precautionary measures. /derail

In my opinion it's been steadily more difficult to start constructive topics in the Gambling and Bitcoin Discussion boards. Over the past year, I'd only thought up a noteworthy thread (that wasn't redundant) once, in regards to Bitcoin Discussion. In that sense, it's more of a survivor bias where you are finding solely spam posts because those that care about their posts seldom stoop to that level.

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The reason why I want to bump this thread is following: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/are-you-willing-to-teach-your-children-how-to-gamble-if-you-are-good-at-it-5199545 (can't insert hyperlink)
In this thread someone asks: Are You Willing To Teach Your Children How To Gamble If You Are Good At It?
Just tell me the logic behind this question. It's like are you willing to teach your children drink if you don't get headaches after hangover?
I know a lot of silly questions are asked there while there are really some interesting topics too but cmon, don't open your fantasy so widely. Don't post anything for the sake of signature, enough is enough.

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Quote from: DiamondCardz on November 02, 2019, 12:54:35 PM

~snip~
Yeah mate it seems fairly obvious to me that the guy who had quoted you was referring to the person in the screenshot in the OP as being a bot, not you yourself.

I'm actually curious to see if someone could make a bot using machine learning to try to game signature campaigns...considering how many low-quality posters get through it would probably actually be quite successful.

Okay I get it now, from the contents of the image LOL
Well it seems like some kind of bot posting to me too. This is what I guess that happened there:

1. The poster copied and post from someone from the same thread
2. They used article spinner to hide plagiarism
3. Either they used bot or did it manually to post the spinned post.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on November 02, 2019, 08:10:26 AM

Sorry I was out of touch in the forum for last two weeks. I am trying to understand that if this was a call for me? I mean did you mean that the post on your quote from me was bot or something?

I am pretty sure that you are not meaning the OP of course.

Yeah mate it seems fairly obvious to me that the guy who had quoted you was referring to the person in the screenshot in the OP as being a bot, not you yourself.

I'm actually curious to see if someone could make a bot using machine learning to try to game signature campaigns...considering how many low-quality posters get through it would probably actually be quite successful.

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Quote from: adroitful_one on October 31, 2019, 11:41:50 AM

Quote from: AB de Royse777 on October 20, 2019, 03:28:26 PM

You got it in the wrong section. I suggest you to move it to the meta or reputation board. I think meta is the right place if I am not wrong.
It really seems the users lost his mind LOL

I don't think this was even a human that wrote that post. I have ran a couple of forums over the years and I have seen bots come in and try to sell Viagra or something and make more sense than that. That post looks exactly like what you would see whenever you go to a forum that has been flooded with bots and you can tell they all just copy/pasted some keywords into a random message in order to get better hits on the search engine. I've seen Chinese instruction manuals that make more sense than that.

Sorry I was out of touch in the forum for last two weeks. I am trying to understand that if this was a call for me? I mean did you mean that the post on your quote from me was bot or something?

I am pretty sure that you are not meaning the OP of course.

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Let me remind you of this post I've written months ago: bounty managers should be held responsible for their participants.

I've also tried warning several managers about the spammers in their campaign. Some clearly told me to mind my own business or never replied.

There's plenty of reasons to support this point of view: it's a way of getting rid of spam without having to get rid of the concept of signature campaigns. Also, the gains would be higher for honest participants, since the spammers would lose their part of the bounty, thus making the total amount available per (honest) participant.

The only way of finding a solution is by contacting the bounty manager and urging him to keep his threads and campaigns clean, by reporting spam posts and by kicking spammers immediately out of the campaign.

However, you risk getting kicked out of the campaign yourself, so most participants - spammer or not - just keep their mouths shut, thus keeping the current situation alive...

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on October 20, 2019, 03:28:26 PM

You got it in the wrong section. I suggest you to move it to the meta or reputation board. I think meta is the right place if I am not wrong.
It really seems the users lost his mind LOL

I don't think this was even a human that wrote that post. I have ran a couple of forums over the years and I have seen bots come in and try to sell Viagra or something and make more sense than that. That post looks exactly like what you would see whenever you go to a forum that has been flooded with bots and you can tell they all just copy/pasted some keywords into a random message in order to get better hits on the search engine. I've seen Chinese instruction manuals that make more sense than that.

Quote from: DiamondCardz on October 23, 2019, 02:26:07 PM

Quote from: malevolent on October 23, 2019, 02:10:30 PM

Quote from: rosezionjohn on October 21, 2019, 09:59:50 PM

The irony of participants applying voluntarily for the campaign after reading all the details and then being "forced" to post in a certain board or comment on topics that he/she is not familiar with Cheesy

It may be the money that is forcing participants and not the campaign.

Not money, greed. They shouldn't be joining such campaigns if it results in them posting very low quality posts just so that they don't get kicked out of the campaign.

To be fair I can't really blame them for joining the campaigns. Before the recent changes you could get 0.004 BTC a day out of Cryptotalk's campaign. $32 a day ends up being $224 a week for a couple hours of shitposting a day. 11.6k USD a year is a very good salary in a lot of countries, and looking at the poor average quality of a lot of these posts I'm willing to wager that most of these people are not from English-speaking countries :')

The blame realistically needs to squarely fall on the shoulders of Yobit. I think it is still silly that a 300+ participant campaign has a single manager moderating it. It needs two, minimum.

The issue isn't really the campaign manager. The issue is that they accept anyone that requests to join into the campaign. They need some sort of moderation to guard the low quality people from entering into the campaign. I also think they need to limit it to 5 to 10 posts a day. It's getting almost impossible to get into any other campaign these days. I was in the Nitrogensports campaign for like 2 years and then when it ended, I couldn't get into any campaigns at all because they were always full. It would be nice if they could lower the amount of paid posts a day to keep the campaign going for longer. I don't really ever make more than 5 posts a day anyways.

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Quote from: DaftAjax on October 26, 2019, 06:12:32 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

The problem is that a huge part of the forum members are from poor countries such as Philippines and Indonesia.

Ok *cough* racist *cough*. Roll Eyes

Better ignore this ignorant. Grin

Who just came to post something and wanted to make it look like a constructive post .

Better he needs to undergo some test for suitability for his rank now,if it happens he is supposed to be a Jr.member now since he earned 1 merit since merit system introduced.

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Well, that escalated quickly. Not cool.

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I don’t think that those who went to this forum and even more in this topic should get an explanation where the signature is and recognize it by the giant red arrows.
The problem is that a huge part of the forum members are from poor countries such as Philippines and Indonesia. They have no large factories, no market system, perhaps this is their only way of earning, with the exception of prostitution and harvesting. I think what there need to either block these countries, which is not humane, or do some kind of suitability test for new members from these countries.

^^^this right here is what you call "ignorance at its finest". it's funny when someone assumes what a country have and doesn't have.

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I think what there need to either block these countries, which is not humane, or do some kind of suitability test for new members from these countries.

I have a better idea, how about you fix that mind of yours? Grin

the sentence sounds familiar, to be honest.

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The problem is that a huge part of the forum members are from poor countries such as Philippines and Indonesia.

Ok *cough* racist *cough*. Roll Eyes

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They have no large factories, no market system, perhaps this is their only way of earning, with the exception of prostitution and harvesting.

How can you be so sure that these countries don't have large factories, or even no market system, how poorly do you think those countries are? And to go far as "this is the only way they earn money"? That's messed up mate. This impression of yours is very inaccurate. And what do you mean by "with the exception of prostitution and harvesting"?

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I think what there need to either block these countries, which is not humane, or do some kind of suitability test for new members from these countries.

I have a better idea, how about you fix that mind of yours? Grin

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Quote from: tvplus006 on October 25, 2019, 10:20:02 AM

Quote from: TalkStar on October 23, 2019, 02:47:54 PM

Quote from: DiamondCardz on October 23, 2019, 02:26:07 PM

The blame realistically needs to squarely fall on the shoulders of Yobit. I think it is still silly that a 300+ participant campaign has a single manager moderating it. It needs two, minimum.

Its not going to make any difference if they appoint multiple manager for their campaign where actually chances of changing shitposters habit is 1%. Managers only can follow strict selection process to choose best participants for their campaign. If you want to educate low quality poster than its probably a meaningless try. Yeah its true that sometime its hard to go with a proper selection process but managers have the power to remove them or disqualify their post.

For yobit if you just look at its best side then i can say that we have been introduced with a lot of shitposters and you can easily find them by visiting yahoo's thread List of banned participants in the Cryptotalk Campaign and actually i am not seeing the necessity of having multiple manager.

In fact, not 300 participants, but more than 500 are participating in the CryptoTalk signature. If additional managers were required, then for yahoo 62278 there would not be a problem to take such. He still uses the services of volunteers and even found an opportunity to pay for their assistance.

Might I add, Yobit Sig is not the only campaign he manages--there are 2 more campaigns under him. So it's going to be a lot of work. Not only he checks the quality of posts of participants to be eligible; he also creates its spreadsheets (except for Yobit); then he has to ban/warn people, creates a list of it; and ultimately, read thousands of PMs. That man is a living AI (just kidding).

Recently Yobit announced that the eligible number of posts will be reduced to 10:

Quote from: YoBit on October 21, 2019, 01:02:09 PM

Update: limit from now is only 10 posts / day

And yahoo62278, is requesting for a merit requirement--to filter out the participants:

Quote from: yahoo62278 on October 21, 2019, 06:36:28 PM

I will still try to push for a merit requirement as well

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There are two situations that are causing this
- higher rates or obligation to post in gambling session, as bl4nkcode said.
-zero moderation

If a moderator just passed by deleting and locking threads, the situation would be much better. Additionally, after x posts deleted, signature ban for 2 weeks.

I think theymos could ask the mining moderator board to pay a v isit there, as that guy just deletes everything.

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Quote from: TalkStar on October 23, 2019, 02:47:54 PM

Quote from: DiamondCardz on October 23, 2019, 02:26:07 PM

The blame realistically needs to squarely fall on the shoulders of Yobit. I think it is still silly that a 300+ participant campaign has a single manager moderating it. It needs two, minimum.

Its not going to make any difference if they appoint multiple manager for their campaign where actually chances of changing shitposters habit is 1%. Managers only can follow strict selection process to choose best participants for their campaign. If you want to educate low quality poster than its probably a meaningless try. Yeah its true that sometime its hard to go with a proper selection process but managers have the power to remove them or disqualify their post.

For yobit if you just look at its best side then i can say that we have been introduced with a lot of shitposters and you can easily find them by visiting yahoo's thread List of banned participants in the Cryptotalk Campaign and actually i am not seeing the necessity of having multiple manager.

In fact, not 300 participants, but more than 500 are participating in the CryptoTalk signature. If additional managers were required, then for yahoo 62278 there would not be a problem to take such. He still uses the services of volunteers and even found an opportunity to pay for their assistance.

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Quote from: DiamondCardz on October 23, 2019, 02:26:07 PM

The blame realistically needs to squarely fall on the shoulders of Yobit. I think it is still silly that a 300+ participant campaign has a single manager moderating it. It needs two, minimum.

Its not going to make any difference if they appoint multiple manager for their campaign where actually chances of changing shitposters habit is 1%. Managers only can follow strict selection process to choose best participants for their campaign. If you want to educate low quality poster than its probably a meaningless try. Yeah its true that sometime its hard to go with a proper selection process but managers have the power to remove them or disqualify their post.

For yobit if you just look at its best side then i can say that we have been introduced with a lot of shitposters and you can easily find them by visiting yahoo's thread List of banned participants in the Cryptotalk Campaign and actually i am not seeing the necessity of having multiple manager.

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Quote from: DiamondCardz on October 23, 2019, 02:26:07 PM

Quote from: malevolent on October 23, 2019, 02:10:30 PM

Quote from: rosezionjohn on October 21, 2019, 09:59:50 PM

The irony of participants applying voluntarily for the campaign after reading all the details and then being "forced" to post in a certain board or comment on topics that he/she is not familiar with Cheesy

It may be the money that is forcing participants and not the campaign.

Not money, greed. They shouldn't be joining such campaigns if it results in them posting very low quality posts just so that they don't get kicked out of the campaign.

To be fair I can't really blame them for joining the campaigns. Before the recent changes you could get 0.004 BTC a day out of Cryptotalk's campaign. $32 a day ends up being $224 a week for a couple hours of shitposting a day. 11.6k USD a year is a very good salary in a lot of countries, and looking at the poor average quality of a lot of these posts I'm willing to wager that most of these people are not from English-speaking countries :')

The blame realistically needs to squarely fall on the shoulders of Yobit. I think it is still silly that a 300+ participant campaign has a single manager moderating it. It needs two, minimum.

Two? Honestly, make that three. If you even take Bitcointalk's users and separate it to the countries, you won't be shocked when most of them are from relatively low-income countries when compared to NA and most of the places in EU. Just a simple trivia, in Turkey, the minimum wage is about 2000 Turkish Lira per month, which equals to roughly 350 USD a month. 224 bucks a WEEK is literally enormous money for an average person living in Turkey, it's even worse when you do the math yearly. 11.6k USD a year? Make that almost 70k Turkish Lira a year. Mind you, a person working minimum wage is earning only 22-24k on average. This calculation is even worse for East-Far Eastern countries where even 1 dollar is actually considered "a good amount of money."

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Quote from: malevolent on October 23, 2019, 02:10:30 PM

Quote from: rosezionjohn on October 21, 2019, 09:59:50 PM

The irony of participants applying voluntarily for the campaign after reading all the details and then being "forced" to post in a certain board or comment on topics that he/she is not familiar with Cheesy

It may be the money that is forcing participants and not the campaign.

Not money, greed. They shouldn't be joining such campaigns if it results in them posting very low quality posts just so that they don't get kicked out of the campaign.

To be fair I can't really blame them for joining the campaigns. Before the recent changes you could get 0.004 BTC a day out of Cryptotalk's campaign. $32 a day ends up being $224 a week for a couple hours of shitposting a day. 11.6k USD a year is a very good salary in a lot of countries, and looking at the poor average quality of a lot of these posts I'm willing to wager that most of these people are not from English-speaking countries :')

The blame realistically needs to squarely fall on the shoulders of Yobit. I think it is still silly that a 300+ participant campaign has a single manager moderating it. It needs two, minimum.

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