Signature Campaigns causing lifeless posts in Gambling section - page 3.

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Quote from: bL4nkcode on October 20, 2019, 04:45:25 PM

That kind of posts happens when a signature campaign requires x amount of post in the gambling section whereas these users don't even know what gambling is, posting nonsense just for the requirements.
So if you don't know what to post in the gambling section, just don't participate in signature campaigns that requires it.

When the majority of signature campaigns require posts in the same specific section, people will post in that section just to be seen as someone who frequently posts in that section to get chosen for the campaign.

The only way to address this problem is to put pressure on campaign managers to not require posts in specific sections.

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This has been a long-standing norm in the signature campaign scene. We find them as annoying as you do, especially those coming from the recent "pay-to-post" forum.

Unless the campaign managers step up their moderating game such as yahoo, we'll continue to see junks like this everywhere. After all, they manage several campaigns at once and each one have like tens of participants + the the posts screening process.

You can try reporting them, but I'm not sure if the mods are gonna take action or simply discard our reports, which affect our report score.

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I agree entirely with boss @yahoo62278 comment up there. Also, the managers review the post at the end of the week. I believe boss @Coolcryptovator, who is new in this space, would give the best impression about his ability at the "counting day."

Besides, this shitposting issue happened quite often actually with other campaigns as well (it's not only about Match365).

Sometimes I want to tell the managers about some users who often shitpost, but I'm afraid that they will get me wrong. So I just reported it as junk or quoted the post and made a joke about it.

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Quote from: DiamondCardz on October 20, 2019, 05:06:48 PM

These lifeless posts happen everywhere. It’s a mixture of the poor control of the English language that these people have - likely due to how far signature campaign payments can go in third world countries - and, of course, the fact that they are forcing themselves to post in order to meet requirements.

It’s pretty common. Say for instance the topic is {technology_name} and a recent occurrence to do with it, these people will generally latch onto the name and say things like “{tech_name} is very interesting, it could be very good for bitcoin, I will be watching {tech_name} with interest”.

I normally report the posts which aren’t fully on-topic.

Yep. ^
Great way to illustrate what I mean, it's technically "on topic" but contributes 0 and makes no sense to actual english speakers or someone actually looking to converse over the topic.
Still useless posts of no value clearly intended to just force a low effort post out.

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Quote from: bL4nkcode on October 20, 2019, 04:45:25 PM

That kind of posts happens when a signature campaign requires x amount of post in the gambling section whereas these users don't even know what gambling is, posting nonsense just for the requirements.
So if you don't know what to post in the gambling section, just don't participate in signature campaigns that requires it.

This is why the manager should be looking into the users old posts. If he does than then he will see if a user normally hangs out in the section where x amount of posts are required. If a user usually posts in that section, then getting his weekly number shouldn't be too hard.

Coolcryptovator is the manager and should probably be pmmed vs making a thread complaining. He is new to managing and will likely make mistakes as we all do from time to time.

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Quote from: 1miau on October 20, 2019, 05:16:55 PM

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Ooh, yes sorry, I didn't check full members, which I saw in Sr. rank.

Quote from: hosseinimr93 on October 20, 2019, 05:21:10 PM

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Ooh, yes sorry, I didn't check full members, which I saw in Sr. rank.

I hope the manager will act as soon as possible for the sake of reputation.

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Quote from: YOSHIE on October 20, 2019, 05:08:49 PM

You can check the spreadsheet, the members are just using the Match365 signature, but they are not accepted by the manager.

The user referred in the OP is already accepted as a full member while he is a senior member.
I checked his merit history. I think every manager (except DarkStar_ for ChipMixer) would accept him if there are open slots.

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Quote from: YOSHIE on October 20, 2019, 05:08:49 PM

The user you are referring to is not on the campaign list, ⚽️Match365⚽️ .

As far as I can see in the spreadsheet the user is accepted as a Full Member instead of his current rank (Sr. Member) in the campaign.

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The user you are referring to is not on the campaign list, ⚽️Match365⚽️ .

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ended-match365-signature-campaign-earn-up-to-0006-btc-5192881

Quote from: Compr on October 20, 2019, 03:14:32 PM

You can check the spreadsheet, the member you are referring to, only using the Match365 signature, but they are not accepted by the manager.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DohhS4dPQGl4nZ-BJHsnZL4WJGG1-FxhzHJPVtjYqkM/edit#gid=0

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These lifeless posts happen everywhere. It’s a mixture of the poor control of the English language that these people have - likely due to how far signature campaign payments can go in third world countries - and, of course, the fact that they are forcing themselves to post in order to meet requirements.

It’s pretty common. Say for instance the topic is {technology_name} and a recent occurrence to do with it, these people will generally latch onto the name and say things like “{tech_name} is very interesting, it could be very good for bitcoin, I will be watching {tech_name} with interest”.

I normally report the posts which aren’t fully on-topic.

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Quote from: hosseinimr93 on October 20, 2019, 04:40:09 PM

Quote from: 1miau on October 20, 2019, 04:24:25 PM

The merit system is already a good tool preventing bad posters from joining a BTC-paid campaign but sometimes it's difficult to find users willing to join a campaign. yahoo62278 explained the situation very well:

There is no doubt in what you say about the merit system. But according to what is shown in bpip.org, the post referred by the OP has been made by 192nd most merited user of the forum.

I guess my posts weren't something special too, if I had to make x posts per week in the gambling section. Cheesy

These days, most signatures are gambling-related and people try to join there even if they aren't active gamblers. Of course that's a problem and as far as I know the campaign managers check the post history if people are active in the gambling section and posting good content there, otherwise they get rejected.
The problem right now is that it's difficult for campaign managers to fill all the slots for gambling related campaigns and then it happens that users are accepted who aren't bad posters but when they have to make the mandatory posts in gambling it's not easy for them to post good quality.
I can understand both sides here.

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Unfortunately, there is no clear way to get ahead of this issue. The only solution you can do is follow the campaign manager/campaign's procedures to report an abuser. If the campaign manager has some sort of a blacklist that is somewhat globally followed. (Similar to SMAS) you can lean back and relax and rest assured that abuser is never going to join any other campaign, ever again.

Merit system is really amazing. But campaigns do not really value it that much from what I've seen. Rather than asking for "5 merits in the last 120 days" something like "20 merits in the last 60 days, 120 days." might be more useful. There are several factors for this suggestion I have. One is that you will never receive merit if your post does not contribute to the thread. Two if you are the OP, unless your thread is something that makes sense and/or gibberish that is not helpful in any way, you will not receive merit. Long story short, the merit system is useful, but it has to be utilised by campaign managers a tad bit more. Either put in a merit limit for campaigns, such as "400 or above" or just limit it to ranks.

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This is what happens if a certain individual was part of a campaign but nothing to do with the type of project, just for example is that. If anything that doesn't really concern him but still have to posts then he will, whatever the outcome will be. That's why some managers include this on the rules:

Quote from: bL4nkcode on October 20, 2019, 04:45:25 PM

That kind of posts happens when a signature campaign requires x amount of post in the gambling section whereas these users don't even know what gambling is, posting nonsense just for the requirements.

Damn right.
You were just a few seconds ahead of me LoL.

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That kind of posts happens when a signature campaign requires x amount of post in the gambling section whereas these users don't even know what gambling is, posting nonsense just for the requirements.
So if you don't know what to post in the gambling section, just don't participate in signature campaigns that requires it.

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Quote from: 1miau on October 20, 2019, 04:24:25 PM

The merit system is already a good tool preventing bad posters from joining a BTC-paid campaign but sometimes it's difficult to find users willing to join a campaign. yahoo62278 explained the situation very well:

There is no doubt in what you say about the merit system. But according to what is shown in bpip.org, the post referred by the OP has been made by 192nd most merited user of the forum.

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Yeah, I agree. Quite a few posts don't add any value sometimes.
Best example:

Source: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/guide-factors-to-consider-before-joining-paid-signature-campaigns-5115291

The merit system is already a good tool preventing bad posters from joining a BTC-paid campaign but sometimes it's difficult to find users willing to join a campaign. yahoo62278 explained the situation very well:

Quote from: yahoo62278

From my perspective as a campaign manager for years now, I think quite a lot has changed around here as far as Signature campaigns are concerned. We have had multiple accounts banned, Multiple accounts receive signature bans, the merit system has been introduced making it harder for shitposters to rank up, as well as tons of posts are reported every week and deleted or threads archived/deleted.

I can remember a year or so ago, when I would launch a campaign for a company, there would be 10 pages of applicants of all ranks within a couple hours of launching the thread. I could fill 100 spots in less than 24 hours easy. Not too mention I could fill 100 spots in multiple new campaigns in a week.

Now, I can barely fill 25-50 spots in 1 new campaign. I almost always have an open spot for member ranks and most of the time full members.

So IMO the system we have has been working and there are less users creating the shitstorm on the forum then there were before.

Source: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52541607

In general, the rules are effective and small adjustments can be done manually like some sorts of warnings for users to improve the qualitiy of their posts or they will receive less BTC paid.

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Quote from: nakamura12 on October 20, 2019, 03:38:44 PM

About what you have quoted op, I also didn't quite get it since you only quote what that user just posted but as what I observed the thread that this user posted is in a thread of wolf.bet and streak bonus. Do you think that this account is bought from someone else?. This user also did not complete what he/she us trying to point out.

The thread itself is just wolf.bet's announcement thread of their site.
I can't make the assumption to say the account was bought and is being used to farm for sig campaigns, however it definitely should be considered violation of any signature campaigns that user is in.
This is just one example and took about 30 seconds to find, I see this all the time now.

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About what you have quoted op, I also didn't quite get it since you only quote what that user just posted but as what I observed the thread that this user posted is in a thread of wolf.bet and streak bonus. Do you think that this account is bought from someone else?. This user also did not complete what he/she us trying to point out.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on October 20, 2019, 03:28:26 PM

You got it in the wrong section. I suggest you to move it to the meta or reputation board. I think meta is the right place if I am not wrong.
It really seems the users lost his mind LOL

Thanks, I'll request it to be moved.
I agree though, this is mainly to serve as a warning to campaign managers that a lot of users are doing this now.
I think campaign managers get overwhelmed with the amount of different posts they go through sometimes, and something like this is easy to overlook thinking they did a good job and followed the requirements.

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You got it in the wrong section. I suggest you to move it to the meta or reputation board. I think meta is the right place if I am not wrong.
It really seems the users lost his mind LOL

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