Topic: Silk Road: anonymous marketplace. Feedback requested :) - page 26. (Read 152740 times)

Either way they are, but the long term damage would be worse out of CC, because it's not an immediate loss to the company who got hacked, but is an image loss as they put their customers at stake. - OK, solution 2.0a; move town or change name.
wallet.dat file would represent damage to the store alone, not their customers.

A friend of mine has been following the discussion regarding SilkRoad and decided to check it out. He emailed me this blurb from the "new listing" page.

I mean, the licensing restrictions is for the good guys, people like you and me.
What happens when I need to defend my property, my family ?
Without weapons, do I have to trust the 911 ? 

exactly my point. There is no way to discriminate therefore you always take the risk of selling to violent criminals.
but the idea was that it's o.k to sell drugs because the laws are stupid
But in some places all forms of self protection are illegal. Isn't that equally as stupid?

The difference is that transactions are final, not reversible, and you will not be screwed by any bank or CC company.
You only need to secure your wallet/s and you are ok.

Not to defend the CC companies, but use of Bitcoin is just as vulnerable... What's the difference between an e-commerce outfit losing wallet.dat versus a bunch of CC numbers?  Either way, they're screwed

Do the "bad guys" need a license to carry firearms, too ?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/off-topic-from-the-silk-road-thread-6232

Sounds like good reason not to use CC companies as a merchant.

How about making things like weapons available at all?
I live in a country where you need a firearms license to purchase airsoft guns, ffs

Knowing someone who works for a prominent data forensics firm, I am frequently told this:  If the CC companies can figure out how the card numbers got stolen (e.g. in a data breach or something), they will brazenly recoup their losses by tapping the credit card income of the merchant they consider responsible for the breach, until the losses are covered.  And they are fairly good at figuring out who to blame, simply by using algorithms that look for common points of purchase among cards that have been stolen.  They can usually nail it right down to the specific gas pump, or the specific web site, or the specific terminal that got hacked.  A five, six, or seven figure loss is very unwelcome to any small business, and the credit card companies couldn't care less if the business gets wiped out in the process.

They use that so-called "PCI DSS Compliance Questionnaire" to seal the deal.  Every merchant must certify themselves as PCI Compliant to avoid paying hefty fees, and that self-certification pretty much buries them in the event of a breach.  The rationale goes like this: "You certified that you do XYZ to protect CC#'s, clearly you did not, so all losses from this breach are your fault."

Someone suggested that CC theft is somehow OK because you're stealing from a bank, not an individual.  I would submit that stealing from a bank is still stealing and isn't somehow more justified just because they are a bank.  It is one thing to take a position that the war on drugs is a victimless non-crime, an ineffective misallocation of resources, an intrusion upon the freedom of adults.  It's yet another to start up a free-for-all that enables things like fraud and theft - things that are unmistakably criminal and detrimental to society - or makes things like weapons available to violent criminals and the mentally ill.

Lol where does the CC company get the money to reimburse you with? They get it from the fees that their customers pay. In other words, the customers pay for the fraud and as such experience harm.

I honestly don't think you'd have that much of a problem mailing it.
If you're talking about domestic then you'd probably be fine.
International would be a bigger issue.

I'm not suggesting it or basing this off anything I can link to.

Also you have to realize the only part that is illegal to mail without the FFL is the lower receiver as far as I know.
I could be wrong on that but I think you could send everything else fine, also I don't think you need an FFL to mail ammo but have never looked in to it, maybe it's a big deal.
I would guess 99+% chance it gets there no problem domestically. Just a guess though.

and how many envelopes would AK-47 require?

Well, I'd send it in like 3 envelopes disguised with some layers of aluminum foil. The ammunition should be multiple times vac sealed.
I guess that'd work.
Greets, M

How, exactly, would the weapons be transferred to the buyer?  Assuming we are speaking of illegal/restricted weapons.  Mailing them would be an exceptionally bad idea, because it's pretty obvious what's in the carton/crate, whereas sending drugs via mail, the x-ray doesn't look like much... but it's hard to disguise a weapon and lots of weapon parts.

Allthough I'd really not like to see any kidneys and slaves on silkroad, I don't see a point in disallowing fake ID's and passports.
Also, I think weapons should be sold (as long as they aren't weapons of mass destruction and stuff like napalm and agent orange). Things like pistols, knifes and such I'd like to see.
Also, I would like to tell that fraud CC's aren't really harming the single person who owns the CC, but rather the CC company as most of them give you back your stolen money. Friend of mine just got stolen 2400€ via his CC and he got it all back pretty easy (sic!)
Greets, M

Are you accepting Bitcoin donations?  You could add a listing here: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trade#Donation-accepting_organizations_and_projects

Split CP discussion to off-topic.

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