Topic: Silk road down for over 24 hours now. - page 3. (Read 7841 times)
I think it's just zombie pcs "refreshing". I read somewhere that the thing that supposedly would make DDOS agains the Tor network has not been implemented, because it would require a fair amount of resources. With a sizeable botnet, the zombies could just send legitimate requests over and over, making sites like silk road and such, with stone age servers, be almost unusable.
So after more research Silk Road has two larger competitors BMR and Atlantis. Atlantis seems to be having issues and is somewhat usable. Mixed reports on BMR being slow for some usable for others. Also seen people doing TCPDumps on successful Silk Road connections and getting garbage spewed back at them. Seem like more than just a DDOS. The nodes are returning malformed data.
One reason people think TOR is hard to DDOS is because it does not allow UDP. Most DDOS is UDP based and TOR only allows TCP. Still this does not make TOR impossible to DDOS it just means you need to flood a lot of nodes with TCP protocol. I'd imagine using a lot of zombie PC with TOR clients one could map out TOR nodes and develop a fairly simple plan to flood enough nodes to make TOR fairly unusable.
Given how the TOR network operates and the bandwidth constraints, I imagine it's easier to take a site down in terms of traffic required. But harder to do, given that you need your zombies to connect to the Tor network first.
Anyone know the total bandwidth of all TOR nodes? I know the Spamhaus attack was 300Gbps. I'd be surprised if all TOR nodes combined had anywhere near that capacity. This attack seems to be affecting a lot of TOR sites I've been trying to use. Far slower than normal. I suspect someone is just flooding .onion sites with requests. I have to be overlooking something. This seems so trivial a way to take TOR down for anyone with a sizable botnet.
One reason people think TOR is hard to DDOS is because it does not allow UDP. Most DDOS is UDP based and TOR only allows TCP. Still this does not make TOR impossible to DDOS it just means you need to flood a lot of nodes with TCP protocol. I'd imagine using a lot of zombie PC with TOR clients one could map out TOR nodes and develop a fairly simple plan to flood enough nodes to make TOR fairly unusable.
Given how the TOR network operates and the bandwidth constraints, I imagine it's easier to take a site down in terms of traffic required. But harder to do, given that you need your zombies to connect to the Tor network first.
One reason people think TOR is hard to DDOS is because it does not allow UDP. Most DDOS is UDP based and TOR only allows TCP. Still this does not make TOR impossible to DDOS it just means you need to flood a lot of nodes with TCP protocol. I'd imagine using a lot of zombie PC with TOR clients one could map out TOR nodes and develop a fairly simple plan to flood enough nodes to make TOR fairly unusable.
Competition is possible although there are no real bigtime competitors I know of.
Some say the TOR network is hard to DDOS but, I suspect this theory doesn't hold up as well as people believe. The main issue is that most traffic routing via TOR to Silk road goes through low bandwidth channels. If you have a huge number of hosts to flood a site it wouldn't be that hard to flood a bunch of low traffic channels. This is just my understanding I have never looked at the topology of TOR so I could be wrong.
One reason I think it could be more to do with BTC is that a large number of people keep BTC in Silk Road accounts. If the site is down they can not use their BTC. This wouldn't help competition in the short term since vendors couldn't cash out and go somewhere else. Could be a long term competitive FUD strategy. It does however lower volume on MtFUX though since people can't get to accounts.
Some say the TOR network is hard to DDOS but, I suspect this theory doesn't hold up as well as people believe. The main issue is that most traffic routing via TOR to Silk road goes through low bandwidth channels. If you have a huge number of hosts to flood a site it wouldn't be that hard to flood a bunch of low traffic channels. This is just my understanding I have never looked at the topology of TOR so I could be wrong.
One reason I think it could be more to do with BTC is that a large number of people keep BTC in Silk Road accounts. If the site is down they can not use their BTC. This wouldn't help competition in the short term since vendors couldn't cash out and go somewhere else. Could be a long term competitive FUD strategy. It does however lower volume on MtFUX though since people can't get to accounts.
Wow, it's actually very hard to DDOS silk road.
competition anyone?
It could be anyone. I doubt it is a government since they are such a low volume business compared to Mexico or most any other import nation. I doubt it is extortion since paying them does not guarantee they stop, there is no way to verify you are paying the person doing it, and it will only encourage others. I would speculate it is either 1.) A group of kids being vandals because they can and very little risk of law enforcement caring. OR 2.) People trying to move the price of BTC for their own personal gain.
Who do you think keeps attacking these sites?
I mean DDOS is just kind of pointless unless you simply don't want a site operating right?
I mean DDOS is just kind of pointless unless you simply don't want a site operating right?
Looks like a DDOS'ers have successfully taking down Silk Road for over 24 hours now. Will be interesting to see how they deal with this and if it has any effect on the price. Since I doubt price movement of BTC has anything to do with buying and selling of goods it shouldn't. I think BTC will follow the gold bubble. Continue to go up based on pure speculation and bull ego and then a big avalanche back down again.
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