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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on February 20, 2023, 04:47:38 PM

What is the essence if hunting and possibly winning the big multipliers if at the end of all, the amount of money spent to get the big multiplier is more than the actual amount won?
I personally think that there are many gamblers who know quite well that gambling is a game of numbers, but yet, refuse to learn math Grin

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Not everyone gambles for money/profits, but some do it for entertainment. Max-win is something to brag about since it's so rare, it feels like you achieve something special. The money from max-win is also decent even if you made small bets. If you only think about profit, don't gamble since all have -EVs.

Maybe only less than 1% who are gambling for entertainment, most gamblers are gambling for money/profit including me but of course I should enjoy playing the game as well.
Talk about max win, I hit it several times mostly from the bonus buy feature but I hit it once from normal spins in Fruit Party few months ago as I shared in this thread.

Quote from: mu_enrico on February 21, 2023, 04:22:05 AM

Slots is addictive, but it depends on each personality. Not everyone ended up raising their bets and losing everything. I for example, only play $0.25/spin max. Most of the time I bet IDR 1250/spin (less than $0.1).

No doubt, especially once we hit a big payout, it will make us feel curious and challenged to hit bigger payout.
I do prefer to play slot with flat betting amount, it is rare for me to increase my bet amount in my gambling session.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on February 20, 2023, 04:47:38 PM

What is the essence if hunting and possibly winning the big multipliers if at the end of all, the amount of money spent to get the big multiplier is more than the actual amount won?
I personally think that there are many gamblers who know quite well that gambling is a game of numbers, but yet, refuse to learn math Grin

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Not everyone gambles for money/profits, but some do it for entertainment. Max-win is something to brag about since it's so rare, it feels like you achieve something special. The money from max-win is also decent even if you made small bets. If you only think about profit, don't gamble since all have -EVs.

Quote from: qwertyup23 on February 20, 2023, 06:14:16 PM

Slots is one of those games that I truly want to avoid. There is just no sense in playing slots due to the sheer luck that you have to experience in order to win. Sure, from time-to-time you may win small amounts of money, but I strongly believe that the system created it that way in order for you to continue playing slots.

I noticed this kind of behaviour from the grandmother of my girlfriend. She was playing slots and she initially betted $20 in the game with around $0.3 per spin. It got to a point where she almost lost all of her money but suddenly she won a "semi-jackpot" that jumped her bet from $20 to $50. Though that may be the case, she still lost all of her money since she continued betting.

Slots is addictive, but it depends on each personality. Not everyone ended up raising their bets and losing everything. I for example, only play $0.25/spin max. Most of the time I bet IDR 1250/spin (less than $0.1).

Speaking of games to avoid, I'd rather tell people to avoid table games since usually I see ~20% profitability from casino annual reports, meanwhile for slots only ~9%. This means the casino makes more profit from table games.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on February 20, 2023, 04:47:38 PM

Quote from: mu_enrico on February 20, 2023, 05:32:05 AM

By the way, bonus buys are fine if you are hunting a big multiplier without thinking about your losses. But, normal spins are safer if you want your balance to last longer (from my experience).

What is the essence if hunting and possibly winning the big multipliers if at the end of all, the amount of money spent to get the big multiplier is more than the actual amount won?
I personally think that there are many gamblers who know quite well that gambling is a game of numbers, but yet, refuse to learn math Grin

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Such gamblers will be happy when they win big amount of money, but absolutely forget that they spent much more before winning that amount.

Personally, the feeling of excitement whenever you win somehow offsets the overall realization that my losses are still bigger than my profit! But in all reality, this kind of practice should be frowned upon given on how it can be potentially deceiving on the person. I hope that there is like a "profit/losses counter" that someone can create in order for the person to be aware of his general situation on his activities.

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Away from the above, Slot games are purely luck based game, I personally do not think that bonus buys will increase ones chance of making profit off slot games in the long run.

Slots is one of those games that I truly want to avoid. There is just no sense in playing slots due to the sheer luck that you have to experience in order to win. Sure, from time-to-time you may win small amounts of money, but I strongly believe that the system created it that way in order for you to continue playing slots.

I noticed this kind of behaviour from the grandmother of my girlfriend. She was playing slots and she initially betted $20 in the game with around $0.3 per spin. It got to a point where she almost lost all of her money but suddenly she won a "semi-jackpot" that jumped her bet from $20 to $50. Though that may be the case, she still lost all of her money since she continued betting.

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I envy you guys talking about Pragmatic play, I used to play that game until our country is restricted. There are lots of pragmatic games I wanted to play alas I am too scared to use VPN for a reason that it might get my account banned, I asked to the support staff but all they can give me is the clause of circumventing regional restrictions and did not answer my question directly.

Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on February 20, 2023, 04:47:38 PM

Quote from: mu_enrico on February 20, 2023, 05:32:05 AM

By the way, bonus buys are fine if you are hunting a big multiplier without thinking about your losses. But, normal spins are safer if you want your balance to last longer (from my experience).

What is the essence if hunting and possibly winning the big multipliers if at the end of all, the amount of money spent to get the big multiplier is more than the actual amount won?
I personally think that there are many gamblers who know quite well that gambling is a game of numbers, but yet, refuse to learn math Grin

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Such gamblers will be happy when they win big amount of money, but absolutely forget that they spent much more before winning that amount.

Well at least with a huge win you can recover some of your losses, besides if you have goal and hunting for a huge multiplier, it ads up to the fun,

Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on February 20, 2023, 04:47:38 PM

Away from the above, Slot games are purely luck based game, I personally do not think that bonus buys will increase ones chance of making profit off slot games in the long run.

True, bonus buy doesn't increase one's chance of making a profit but saves time in spinning to trigger bonus rounds.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on February 20, 2023, 04:47:38 PM

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I think you miss the points, and you talked about the "Winning" with the "Bankroll" we're spend. Most of experience from the balance started who have big multiplier, we talked about big multiplier like a thousand multiplier is always ended more from the started balance we have. Because people, will always buy feature from 10%-20% from their balance bankroll.

Yes, bonus feature does not increase the chance you're getting a multiplier. But the bonus feature can save you a lot money, especially for the type of slot who are not constantly giving money back from normal spin most of then. At least from the total spending 100 spin you're doing, need to give you back around 30-40% from the normal spin. If 100 spin cost you 90% from the total 100 spin you're made, better buy the feature rather than normal spin.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on February 20, 2023, 05:32:05 AM

By the way, bonus buys are fine if you are hunting a big multiplier without thinking about your losses. But, normal spins are safer if you want your balance to last longer (from my experience).

What is the essence if hunting and possibly winning the big multipliers if at the end of all, the amount of money spent to get the big multiplier is more than the actual amount won?
I personally think that there are many gamblers who know quite well that gambling is a game of numbers, but yet, refuse to learn math Grin

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Such gamblers will be happy when they win big amount of money, but absolutely forget that they spent much more before winning that amount.

Away from the above, Slot games are purely luck based game, I personally do not think that bonus buys will increase ones chance of making profit off slot games in the long run.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on February 20, 2023, 05:32:05 AM

By the way, bonus buys are fine if you are hunting a big multiplier without thinking about your losses. But, normal spins are safer if you want your balance to last longer (from my experience).

It's true what you say. Because the winning percentage is also small, sometimes we only need to spend 5-7x the buy bonus for our balance to run out. because buying a buy bonus is just to get while waiting for free spins from normal spins, or prefer this buy bonus feature coz of their style. But back to luck, even if we buy free spins, in a few spins we can still win, but on average we will lose daster Grin

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Quote from: mu_enrico on February 20, 2023, 05:32:05 AM

Yeah, I never got it from Zeus, and now Gatot Kaca sucks my balance as well. Starlight is okay, but I start to get bored with it.

I tried all these games last week and Gate of Olympus looks like the one which gives you a multiplier more often than the others during the free spins,much more than any Starlight series does and trust me I learned it the hard way last week,it is the last time ever I touch any Pragmatic slots in my life.The reason is simple I bought about 6 times the free spins in Starlight and lost about 120 dollars by doing so,not a single from these 6 buy ins gave me more than 10 dollars from the free spins,I should have tried Gate of Olympus but the results I am sure would be the same.I have said several other times that Play n Go slots are not good but for me they are absolutely the best even if I lose thousand of dollars in them,at least they keep you playing longer.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on February 20, 2023, 05:32:05 AM

Ahh too bad it's just IDR 20k buy Grin

Nice replay! +1

I don't know that it will reach MAXWIN, just imagine just claiming reload with 39k IDR. Cheesy

Quote from: Bitinity on February 20, 2023, 06:19:11 AM

So it is true that Gatot Kaca is difficult to give big win? some people talked about this and they said that this game is worse than the Olympus. Actually I wanted to try this Gatot Kaca but I'm afraid that it will make me come back to be a non-stop slot spinners like what I was few years ago Grin

What I feel is that I have tried to play Gatot Kaca several times, but it is difficult to give a big win It is indeed no better than Zeus, maybe because I have not been lucky enough to be given Gatot Kaca. Grin

It's the same here, they also often talk about Gatot Kaca, which they say is worse, so I don't really believe it, but after playing at Gatot Kaca, I haven't been given a big win until now, maybe because I've been to Zeus more often so I'm more comfortable there.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on February 20, 2023, 05:32:05 AM

Hitting max-win from normal spins is extremely difficult, people usually get it from Pragmatic because of Bonus Buy...

Exactly, I cant really remember if I have hit max win from normal spins or not but I'm sure there are many people hit max win from normal spins especially in Pragmatic Play and Hacksaw Gaming. If we check the statistic in casino S, there is a game that gives players max win frequently. It is fruit party, I can say like this because if we check the lucky win statistic of this game, we will see new max win by several players every day.

Quote from: mu_enrico on February 20, 2023, 05:32:05 AM

Yeah, I never got it from Zeus, and now Gatot Kaca sucks my balance as well. Starlight is okay, but I start to get bored with it.

So it is true that Gatot Kaca is difficult to give big win? some people talked about this and they said that this game is worse than the Olympus. Actually I wanted to try this Gatot Kaca but I'm afraid that it will make me come back to be a non-stop slot spinners like what I was few years ago Grin

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Quote from: salad daging on February 14, 2023, 04:09:09 AM

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Ahh too bad it's just IDR 20k buy Grin

Nice replay! +1

Quote from: swogerino on February 14, 2023, 08:25:08 AM

have been trying to get that max win in Play n Go slots but I know that this provider does not make it happen that easily the max win and maybe I am searching it in the wrong games

Hitting max-win from normal spins is extremely difficult, people usually get it from Pragmatic because of Bonus Buy...

Quote from: masulum on February 15, 2023, 12:57:49 PM

I have a different view with this game, and far from my favorites. Because, as long as I play Gate of Olympus, I lose more often. I don't know, for some people Zeus is better than Princess, but I have a different experience, winning more often on Princess and once getting maxwin, and never get it on zeus.

Yeah, I never got it from Zeus, and now Gatot Kaca sucks my balance as well. Starlight is okay, but I start to get bored with it.

By the way, bonus buys are fine if you are hunting a big multiplier without thinking about your losses. But, normal spins are safer if you want your balance to last longer (from my experience).

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Quote from: ryzaadit on February 16, 2023, 02:16:55 PM

But still money, remember the high bet it's come from the small bet while you're triggered.

I think you should try to limit a spin you should play on some game or provider, In-case you're not pushing the bad luck and spinning for a few thousand spin. Especially, you're playing on type slot like "Gate of Olympus" while is really hard to get a money back from a normal spin.

IMO, it's fine to spinning for a few thousand. As long the normal spin, keep make you payout at least 30-40% from the money you're using for the spin.

Yup, you are right, it's quite difficult to get money from normal spins when playing Gate of Olympus. As far as I remember, I started at 500K because after make a deposit, i playing Gate and ended up at around 350K after 1000 spins. Maybe it can be say that I was lucky enough not to drain it all. I think Gate only matched by the buy feature bonus. Of course, it also depend of the player's luck. Just like my experience while playing Fruit Party. Because in truth, it's also difficult for normal spin fruit party to get free spins.

Normal spins don't pay as much as bonus buys from my experience. My big wins and most of the max wins are not from base spins, bonus buys have huge potential compared to normal spins. Anyways it is all luck and we shouldn't worry about things we can't control.

There are some patterns from normal spins which pays big, like for example if you hit the same symbol on all reels but sometimes they don't come easy. It makes sense for a bonus buy to pay more because this is a special round and we pay for it, only to access it immediately.

We can still get them if we are only playing the normal way but the thing is that they can come rarely and the number of free spins that we can usually get this way are only few compared to when we buy them manually.

At the end of the day, luck still plays a big part here. If you are simply unlucky by the day you gamble, you can't get a good win no matter what.

Thank you for the concluding part, that was exactly what I wanted to point out, slot games are 100 percent luck based, and most of the time, it doesn't matter how many normal spins or bonus spins the gambler play, when luck is not around the player, he or she still wont win or wont win much, and so also, if luck is on the gamblers side, even a normal spin can pay a good amount of money, so it all boils down to being lucky.

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Quote from: masulum on February 17, 2023, 10:11:21 AM

Quote from: ryzaadit on February 16, 2023, 02:16:55 PM

But still money, remember the high bet it's come from the small bet while you're triggered.

I think you should try to limit a spin you should play on some game or provider, In-case you're not pushing the bad luck and spinning for a few thousand spin. Especially, you're playing on type slot like "Gate of Olympus" while is really hard to get a money back from a normal spin.

IMO, it's fine to spinning for a few thousand. As long the normal spin, keep make you payout at least 30-40% from the money you're using for the spin.

Yup, you are right, it's quite difficult to get money from normal spins when playing Gate of Olympus. As far as I remember, I started at 500K because after make a deposit, i playing Gate and ended up at around 350K after 1000 spins. Maybe it can be say that I was lucky enough not to drain it all. I think Gate only matched by the buy feature bonus. Of course, it also depend of the player's luck. Just like my experience while playing Fruit Party. Because in truth, it's also difficult for normal spin fruit party to get free spins.

Normal spins don't pay as much as bonus buys from my experience. My big wins and most of the max wins are not from base spins, bonus buys have huge potential compared to normal spins. Anyways it is all luck and we shouldn't worry about things we can't control.

There are some patterns from normal spins which pays big, like for example if you hit the same symbol on all reels but sometimes they don't come easy. It makes sense for a bonus buy to pay more because this is a special round and we pay for it, only to access it immediately.

We can still get them if we are only playing the normal way but the thing is that they can come rarely and the number of free spins that we can usually get this way are only few compared to when we buy them manually.

At the end of the day, luck still plays a big part here. If you are simply unlucky by the day you gamble, you can't get a good win no matter what.

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Quote from: ryzaadit on February 16, 2023, 02:16:55 PM

But still money, remember the high bet it's come from the small bet while you're triggered.

I think you should try to limit a spin you should play on some game or provider, In-case you're not pushing the bad luck and spinning for a few thousand spin. Especially, you're playing on type slot like "Gate of Olympus" while is really hard to get a money back from a normal spin.

IMO, it's fine to spinning for a few thousand. As long the normal spin, keep make you payout at least 30-40% from the money you're using for the spin.

Yup, you are right, it's quite difficult to get money from normal spins when playing Gate of Olympus. As far as I remember, I started at 500K because after make a deposit, i playing Gate and ended up at around 350K after 1000 spins. Maybe it can be say that I was lucky enough not to drain it all. I think Gate only matched by the buy feature bonus. Of course, it also depend of the player's luck. Just like my experience while playing Fruit Party. Because in truth, it's also difficult for normal spin fruit party to get free spins.

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Quote from: masulum on February 16, 2023, 08:03:00 AM

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But still money, remember the high bet it's come from the small bet while you're triggered.

I think you should try to limit a spin you should play on some game or provider, In-case you're not pushing the bad luck and spinning for a few thousand spin. Especially, you're playing on type slot like "Gate of Olympus" while is really hard to get a money back from a normal spin.

IMO, it's fine to spinning for a few thousand. As long the normal spin, keep make you payout at least 30-40% from the money you're using for the spin.

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Quote from: salad daging on February 14, 2023, 04:09:09 AM

As usual, I claimed to reload from stake.com. I first tried a few rolls first and then tried the buy spin feature, and the results really surprised me. I didn't expect to play at Pragmatic (Gates of Olympus) to reach MAX WIN !!! Shocked

It's crazy my luck is back on this favorite slot. Cheesy

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, it's raining 500x and red and blue multiplier. That script.. I am speechless. Lucky you and congratulation on the win. I watched it and many times Zues zap red multiplier. I remember a Gamdom streamer and Rollbit streamer getting impatience on hitting max win on Gates, they said that Max win is due since it's been years since they are aiming for it but never had been delivered.

I wish I can play Pragmatic Play slots provider too but alas I am somehoe hesitant to use VPN, I believe I am missing alot from not playing Pragmatic Play slots.

Quote from: masulum on February 16, 2023, 08:03:00 AM

Hahaha, its only IDR 200 bet, This is to find out how hard it is to get the bonus spins from this game on my side. And after find the answer, It turned out so bad, just waiting something that never come. Since then, if I want to play Gate of Olympus, it's better for me to use buy free spins feature, if I lose after 2-5 purchases, I stop and look for other games.

Still crazy to spin 1000, I think my most number of spin is around 200x before I move on to another slots. I don't want to stay long because of the reward diminishing the longer I stay in one slot.

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Quote from: ryzaadit on February 15, 2023, 02:46:22 PM

Quote from: masulum on February 15, 2023, 12:57:49 PM

The last time I played this game, a few months ago, in a total of 1000+ spins, I didn't get any free spins at all. And mostly I missed the high multiplier Grin

Crazy to see you're spinning more than 1000 spin ~LOL

Meanwhile, we are in here already been discussed. At least avoided any kind of slot especially "Pragmatic" case, If they not give you bonus in maximum around 250-300 spin should be change the game or at least you playing different provider

You're on drain money section at that time ~XD.

Hahaha, its only IDR 200 bet, This is to find out how hard it is to get the bonus spins from this game on my side. And after find the answer, It turned out so bad, just waiting something that never come. Since then, if I want to play Gate of Olympus, it's better for me to use buy free spins feature, if I lose after 2-5 purchases, I stop and look for other games.

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Quote from: masulum on February 15, 2023, 12:57:49 PM

The last time I played this game, a few months ago, in a total of 1000+ spins, I didn't get any free spins at all. And mostly I missed the high multiplier Grin

Crazy to see you're spinning more than 1000 spin ~LOL

Meanwhile, we are in here already been discussed. At least avoided any kind of slot especially "Pragmatic" case, If they not give you bonus in maximum around 250-300 spin should be change the game or at least you playing different provider

You're on drain money section at that time ~XD.

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Quote from: salad daging on February 15, 2023, 12:34:48 PM

The Olympus game has always been a favorite of many, even more than this, someone has won it, but the results will be different, but just enjoy the game, if it reaches Maxwin, I will withdraw it. Next time come back with the same game. Grin

I have a different view with this game, and far from my favorites. Because, as long as I play Gate of Olympus, I lose more often. I don't know, for some people Zeus is better than Princess, but I have a different experience, winning more often on Princess and once getting maxwin, and never get it on zeus. The last time I played this game, a few months ago, in a total of 1000+ spins, I didn't get any free spins at all. And mostly I missed the high multiplier Grin

I can say that I played both games equally and the result is similar, I hit max win in both games twice IIRC but I dont play these 2 games recently.
Lately I played the new ones Starlight Christmas and Gates of Gatotkaca but no max win so far and my best in these 2 games is no more than 1500x
I feel that Pragmatic Play is not really friendly for me since December last year, no decent multiplier for few months.
My luck is better in Plinko game than slot recently, so I play plinko more than slot for weeks already.

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Quote from: salad daging on February 15, 2023, 12:34:48 PM

The Olympus game has always been a favorite of many, even more than this, someone has won it, but the results will be different, but just enjoy the game, if it reaches Maxwin, I will withdraw it. Next time come back with the same game. Grin

I have a different view with this game, and far from my favorites. Because, as long as I play Gate of Olympus, I lose more often. I don't know, for some people Zeus is better than Princess, but I have a different experience, winning more often on Princess and once getting maxwin, and never get it on zeus. The last time I played this game, a few months ago, in a total of 1000+ spins, I didn't get any free spins at all. And mostly I missed the high multiplier Grin

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