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Quote from: Beparanf on January 29, 2023, 01:48:02 PM

Anyone here using the reverse RTP hunt. I read this online that some user having a good profit on playing with slot that has a low RTP. They are just hunting big win and avoid the small profit that common on high RTP games.

Anyone here using this and manage to have a good profit in the multiple trial for this strategy. Is this even better than buying bonus buy feature?

You confused (theoretical) RTP with volatility, RTP is related to the "tax/fees rate" or House Edge (HE). Low RTP slots mean that it has high HE, so you'll lose money quicker than high RTP slots. So always pick high (theoretical) RTP slots.

Meanwhile, volatility is related to winning a small amount, more often, vs. winning a big amount, but rare.

Or do you mean theoretical RTP vs Live RTP? In this case, yes there's a strategy to play on low Live RTP slots, which are slots that basically are in the "cold" state. It hasn't produced good results lately so you bet on the reversal.

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Quote from: OgNasty on December 24, 2022, 12:34:31 AM

Very interesting reading people’s thoughts about slot machines and how to try and beat the system. I’m sure there must be some merit to things being discussed but if it were possible to beat the house I think it would be more well known. The truth is that slots are controlled by the house and they can all be set at different payout levels. In the end though, the simple truth is that the house always wins.

The house wins in the long term.

That's the key thing here, having the illusion that the gambler can win because from time to time the gambler does win, but the whole system is designed to keep people playing as much as possible.

In the long term the odds are against the gambler, so if they keep playing, they will inevitably lose.

But, if you happen to win big once, and quit gambling after that one rare event, then the gambler would have won. This rarely happen though, because the odds are against the gambler, and once they win, they want to continue gambling, until they lose it all.

That is the sad part.Even when a gambler wins really big amounts they think to themselves finally I beat the game and they quit,take the money and call it a day.The gambler stays happy for a day or two but soon after he starts to feel that need and urge to gamble again in order for him to repeat that moment of glory where he won that huge amount,it is exactly this moment that is the worse for a gambler as when they try to repeat it they do it several times but without being able to and as such loses are catastrophic in the long term.Unfortunately as of today there is no real remedy to this.

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Quote from: serjent05 on January 29, 2023, 03:52:15 PM

Quote from: irsykes on January 29, 2023, 03:25:11 PM

Quote from: Beparanf on January 29, 2023, 01:48:02 PM

Anyone here using the reverse RTP hunt. I read this online that some user having a good profit on playing with slot that has a low RTP. They are just hunting big win and avoid the small profit that common on high RTP games.

Anyone here using this and manage to have a good profit in the multiple trial for this strategy. Is this even better than buying bonus buy feature?

RTP is not a guarantee in my opinion, what is clear from every game there is big luck. and that's just a collection of the percentage of members who play the most. If you rely on playing one game and playing for a long time, your balance will only go up and down, the more money you have, I always change slots

True RTP is explained as the percentage of all bets placed on a slot machine or other casino game that is expected to be paid back to players over time. So I do not find any connection between the result of playing in low RTP and the chance to trigger huge bonuses. I also believe slots' result is all random and independent from each other, just like @lionheart78 stated, the result in slots is somehow connected to the chance, not to the RTP value.

personal experience following the results of the RTP that I applied turned out to be the same. but when i play random slots with a new account there are a lot of hidden treasures. The point is that every slot game has the potential for big prizes but what we don't know. RTP is only from the marketing part of attracting people to play

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Quote from: OgNasty on December 24, 2022, 12:34:31 AM

Very interesting reading people’s thoughts about slot machines and how to try and beat the system. I’m sure there must be some merit to things being discussed but if it were possible to beat the house I think it would be more well known. The truth is that slots are controlled by the house and they can all be set at different payout levels. In the end though, the simple truth is that the house always wins.

The house wins in the long term.

That's the key thing here, having the illusion that the gambler can win because from time to time the gambler does win, but the whole system is designed to keep people playing as much as possible.

In the long term the odds are against the gambler, so if they keep playing, they will inevitably lose.

But, if you happen to win big once, and quit gambling after that one rare event, then the gambler would have won. This rarely happen though, because the odds are against the gambler, and once they win, they want to continue gambling, until they lose it all.

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Quote from: irsykes on January 29, 2023, 03:25:11 PM

Quote from: Beparanf on January 29, 2023, 01:48:02 PM

Anyone here using the reverse RTP hunt. I read this online that some user having a good profit on playing with slot that has a low RTP. They are just hunting big win and avoid the small profit that common on high RTP games.

Anyone here using this and manage to have a good profit in the multiple trial for this strategy. Is this even better than buying bonus buy feature?

RTP is not a guarantee in my opinion, what is clear from every game there is big luck. and that's just a collection of the percentage of members who play the most. If you rely on playing one game and playing for a long time, your balance will only go up and down, the more money you have, I always change slots

True RTP is explained as the percentage of all bets placed on a slot machine or other casino game that is expected to be paid back to players over time. So I do not find any connection between the result of playing in low RTP and the chance to trigger huge bonuses. I also believe slots' result is all random and independent from each other, just like @lionheart78 stated, the result in slots is somehow connected to the chance, not to the RTP value.

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Quote from: Beparanf on January 29, 2023, 01:48:02 PM

Anyone here using the reverse RTP hunt. I read this online that some user having a good profit on playing with slot that has a low RTP. They are just hunting big win and avoid the small profit that common on high RTP games.

Anyone here using this and manage to have a good profit in the multiple trial for this strategy. Is this even better than buying bonus buy feature?

RTP is not a guarantee in my opinion, what is clear from every game there is big luck. and that's just a collection of the percentage of members who play the most. If you rely on playing one game and playing for a long time, your balance will only go up and down, the more money you have, I always change slots

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Quote from: klidex on January 29, 2023, 02:18:53 PM

What I want to question is whether it is true that the method or strategy of doing ordinary and detrimental spins first is only then we can get the jackpot from slot games.

No, the strategy of playing ordinary and detrimental spins first does not guarantee a jackpot in slot games. I think the idea of playing ordinary or detrimental spins first is a myth because it has no impact on the outcome of the game. Remember, slots is a game that has random result or result and each spin outcome is completely independent of previous spins. It is said that the odds of hitting jackpot do not changes based on the order of spins or strategy on the type of spins we play.

Quote from: Beparanf on January 29, 2023, 01:48:02 PM

Anyone here using the reverse RTP hunt. I read this online that some user having a good profit on playing with slot that has a low RTP. They are just hunting big win and avoid the small profit that common on high RTP games.

Anyone here using this and manage to have a good profit in the multiple trial for this strategy. Is this even better than buying bonus buy feature?

Haven't tried to play in a slot that has a low RTP so I do not have an idea on it works or how it has the advantage over the higher RTP slots but I believe slot games are a form of gambling and the outcome is determined by chance, not the RTP value.

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Some time ago I tried to play slots out of curiosity and have never been able to profit from slots.
Because I'm not really interested in slot games, I just do regular spins with the lowest nominal of about 30 spins and I experience a loss there, even if it's just a little. Then I try to buy free spins and get 15 spins.
From there I can get back my previous losses and still have some profit left.
What I want to question is whether it is true that the method or strategy of doing ordinary and detrimental spins first is only then we can get the jackpot from slot games.

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Anyone here using the reverse RTP hunt. I read this online that some user having a good profit on playing with slot that has a low RTP. They are just hunting big win and avoid the small profit that common on high RTP games.

Anyone here using this and manage to have a good profit in the multiple trial for this strategy. Is this even better than buying bonus buy feature?

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Quote from: mu_enrico on January 29, 2023, 10:25:16 AM

Quote from: lionheart78 on January 28, 2023, 05:11:35 PM

Rise of Olympus 100 but posted it on the livecasino thread where I won the amount. Here is the quote of the said winnings.

Hmm.. following moon princess 100 with the remake! I think I'll try it in the next play session since no good results from Sweet Bonanza and Gatotkaca Cry

Play N' Go is quite generous to me this January, I believe I won over $1.5k+ in that game this month alone with just a mere bankroll of around $60 as initial. The timing of winnings is quite good because of the previous months overspending in the holiday season that left me with debt, now I had paid those debts with the winnings I made this month.

Pragmatic oftentimes gives shitty results but if they wanted you to win, you will win big. I have observed it while watching several streamers on youtube since their favorite slots is either Pragmatic, Hacksaw, or Nolimit city due to their bonus buy-ins.

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Quote from: panjul07 on January 28, 2023, 12:55:36 PM

How are you slot addicts? Its been long time with no share of nice win in slot games, whats wrong?

I only won 400x max, not worth sharing lol

Quote from: seleme on January 28, 2023, 04:59:18 PM

Even Zeus trolling nowadays😅
https://replay.pragmaticplay.net/33QgCCsIIs

Damn that huge multipliers flew away just like our dream to become rich lol
Thanks mate for the entertainment! Much appreciated.

Quote from: lionheart78 on January 28, 2023, 05:11:35 PM

Rise of Olympus 100 but posted it on the livecasino thread where I won the amount. Here is the quote of the said winnings.

Hmm.. following moon princess 100 with the remake! I think I'll try it in the next play session since no good results from Sweet Bonanza and Gatotkaca Cry

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Quote from: panjul07 on January 28, 2023, 12:55:36 PM

How are you slot addicts? Its been long time with no share of nice win in slot games, whats wrong?
Are you all having really bad luck in slot games since the New Year like me LOL?
After I hit a max payout in Fruit Party some time ago, everything seems to be worst because I hit no more good multiplier.
I participated in livecasino multiplier contest week ago and my best was 400x only, I hit it even with the double feature in play n go games.
Means that if I did not use double feature, my best multiplier was 200x only.

I did manage to win some good amount playing Moon Princess and Rise of Olympus 100 but posted it on the livecasino thread where I won the amount. Here is the quote of the said winnings.

Quote from: lionheart78 on January 17, 2023, 02:09:04 AM

a 1000x+ win on Rise of Olympus 100 withdrew my winnings and played Moon Princess and got another 500x+ win

Prior to that winnings, I have no luck playing Tome of Madness and Moon Princess 100, the bonus round is too aloof on that two games. I lost 2/3 of my bankroll until I decided to take a break for an hour and play again which gives me a good result. Winnings withdrawal is always smooth as always.

And I did manage to make $10 bankroll to a $200+ bankroll last wednesday, but lost them all when I got hooked on the rise of Olympus 100 with 4x my usual bet hoping to get into the bonus round but the slot never allowed me T_T.

Quote from: seleme on January 28, 2023, 04:59:18 PM

Quote from: panjul07 on January 28, 2023, 12:55:36 PM

How are you slot addicts? Its been long time with no share of nice win in slot games, whats wrong?
Are you all having really bad luck in slot games since the New Year like me LOL?
After I hit a max payout in Fruit Party some time ago, everything seems to be worst because I hit no more good multiplier.
I participated in livecasino multiplier contest week ago and my best was 400x only, I hit it even with the double feature in play n go games.
Means that if I did not use double feature, my best multiplier was 200x only.

Hey hey, nothing good since my last max win on Sugar Rush 😁
The struggle became real after that max win on low base bet, unfortunately. Btw, you know why it is so hard to hit decent multi on slots after big wins. Playing on different casino or trying other options like live game shows or house games with provably fair can be alternatives btw. Even Zeus trolling nowadays😅
https://replay.pragmaticplay.net/33QgCCsIIs

At least you got to experience a max win, I hope to experience a max win too.

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Quote from: panjul07 on January 28, 2023, 12:55:36 PM

How are you slot addicts? Its been long time with no share of nice win in slot games, whats wrong?
Are you all having really bad luck in slot games since the New Year like me LOL?
After I hit a max payout in Fruit Party some time ago, everything seems to be worst because I hit no more good multiplier.
I participated in livecasino multiplier contest week ago and my best was 400x only, I hit it even with the double feature in play n go games.
Means that if I did not use double feature, my best multiplier was 200x only.

Hey hey, nothing good since my last max win on Sugar Rush 😁
The struggle became real after that max win on low base bet, unfortunately. Btw, you know why it is so hard to hit decent multi on slots after big wins. Playing on different casino or trying other options like live game shows or house games with provably fair can be alternatives btw. Even Zeus trolling nowadays😅
https://replay.pragmaticplay.net/33QgCCsIIs

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a few days ago I got enough luck, only $ 62 capital can reach $ 532. this is just what i did. register with a new account with random games I almost play them all. so in my opinion every slot game has certain prizes that bring big prizes, if on the other hand slot games bring us drained money we have to move games or don't take too long with games that don't bring profits

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How are you slot addicts? Its been long time with no share of nice win in slot games, whats wrong?
Are you all having really bad luck in slot games since the New Year like me LOL?
After I hit a max payout in Fruit Party some time ago, everything seems to be worst because I hit no more good multiplier.
I participated in livecasino multiplier contest week ago and my best was 400x only, I hit it even with the double feature in play n go games.
Means that if I did not use double feature, my best multiplier was 200x only.

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If you think about it, slot games have only a few grid setups, such as 3x3, 5x3, etc., and there are hundreds of titles launched each year. So yeah, there will be titles with the same mechanics but different themes. All providers did it. I'll give a few examples:

Example 1:
- Book of Dead
- Legacy of Dead
- Rise of Merlin

Example 2:
- Rise of Olympus
- Moon Princess
- Moon Princess 3D (Christmas)
- Moon Princes 100

Example 3:
- all POP avatarUX (yggdrasil) games

So not a big deal if you are here long enough Grin

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Quote from: Bitinity on December 28, 2022, 02:25:25 AM

Quote from: BitcoinPanther on December 25, 2022, 04:49:43 PM

Quote from: Bitinity on December 25, 2022, 02:33:48 AM

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I tried the demo game and the sound effect is quite annoying, I don't know if I am the only one thinking that way. The game animation isn't as smooth as the original Gate of Olympus and the graphical presentation isn't that attracting too. I don't know the reason why Pragmatic Play loves replicating their games with just some graphic modification. are they running out of idea on a slot games?

I dont care about music and sound effect in slot game to be honest because anytime I play slot, I turned all the music/sound off. I would prefer to play slot game silently and turn my own favorite music on. The reason of replication, no one knows except Pragmatic but we can guess ofc. In my opinion they keep on replicating their old game is due to its popularity. As we can see, Pragmatic did not replicate their old game which are not that popular. Most of their replicated games are popular slot such as Fruit Party, Gates of Olympus, Sweet Bonanza, Gems Bonanza, etc.

I can't help but compare because this kind of game has its predecessor, the Gate of Olympus and Starlight Princess. When a new game resembling the existing game is released, we cannot help but compare the two and hope to see a better version on the latest one and get disappointed when it is subpar to the existing one. Just citing my observation and does not intend to degrade the game.

On the contrary, it is a good thing to have variation of the same mechanics, at least we can play multiple games making us to not stay on the same game for too long because that is when the slots starts eating our bankroll.

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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on December 25, 2022, 04:49:43 PM

Quote from: Bitinity on December 25, 2022, 02:33:48 AM

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I tried the demo game and the sound effect is quite annoying, I don't know if I am the only one thinking that way. The game animation isn't as smooth as the original Gate of Olympus and the graphical presentation isn't that attracting too. I don't know the reason why Pragmatic Play loves replicating their games with just some graphic modification. are they running out of idea on a slot games?

I dont care about music and sound effect in slot game to be honest because anytime I play slot, I turned all the music/sound off. I would prefer to play slot game silently and turn my own favorite music on. The reason of replication, no one knows except Pragmatic but we can guess ofc. In my opinion they keep on replicating their old game is due to its popularity. As we can see, Pragmatic did not replicate their old game which are not that popular. Most of their replicated games are popular slot such as Fruit Party, Gates of Olympus, Sweet Bonanza, Gems Bonanza, etc.

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Quote from: serjent05 on December 24, 2022, 05:55:03 PM

Am I seeing a Mobile legend character series of slots from Pragmatic Play?

From the design, yes it very similar with Gatot Kaca on Mobile legends, but there is some different accessories between PP & ML characters. Here is original design from MLBB.

^{Source: https://www.wattpad.com/672605580-mobile-legends-characters-skins-gatotkaca}

the hands on the PP don't have accessories like iron fists, in terms of design we can say "similar" when it comes to copyright, I don't really understand, but if there are differences some of "local" designer can say "get inspired" which can't be called a copycat. LOL

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Quote from: Bitinity on December 25, 2022, 02:33:48 AM

Bitcasino

Confirmed, I tried the game there. If you can't see it, probably it's country restricted (use VPN, #cough).
The weird thing is the game isn't listed on Pragmatic Play's official website, so I couldn't test the bonus round (via bonus buy).
Wasted 1 hour of normal spin on bitcasino without any free spins... sad...

Quote from: BitcoinPanther on December 25, 2022, 04:49:43 PM

I tried the demo game and the sound effect is quite annoying, I don't know if I am the only one thinking that way. The game animation isn't as smooth as the original Gate of Olympus and the graphical presentation isn't that attracting too. I don't know the reason why Pragmatic Play loves replicating their games with just some graphic modification. are they running out of idea on a slot games?

True, this is bad unlike Starlight Princess (not the Christmas edition). The music tastes like Chinese IMO, while Gatot Kaca should be Indian based.
I don't mind the same mechanic - different theme slots as long as the quality is good (Starlight is one example).
But this game is just bad. Cheesy

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