Well that's up to him, but aren't they legally binding? It's not going to look good if they publicaly pardon him then it turns out it was just a sneaky trick to get him back. I'm sure he'd require something in writing or whatnot as well.
A nice Maginot line you are drawing here...
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I think the only way Snowden can go home is if he gets a presidential pardon at some point.
And, as others have already pointed out in this thread, why should he ever believe them?I wouldn't.
Well that's up to him, but aren't they legally binding? It's not going to look good if they publicly pardon him then it turns out it was just a sneaky trick to get him back. I'm sure he'd require something in writing or whatnot as well.
I think the only way Snowden can go home is if he gets a presidential pardon at some point.
And, as others have already pointed out in this thread, why should he ever believe them?I wouldn't.
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I think the only way Snowden can go home is if he gets a presidential pardon at some point.
That is exactly what happened to Manning. The CIA taught a lesson to all of their detractors. Any similar whistle blower will face similar torture methods. Water-logging is primitive.. a forced sex change is even more modern.
How the hell are they forcing a sex change on him exactly?
well, um shit, that is a mindfuck.. "man up.. and get brainwashed into being a woman." and you know, that is something that could have happened to bradley MANNING.
That is exactly what happened to Manning. The CIA taught a lesson to all of their detractors. Any similar whistle blower will face similar torture methods. Water-logging is primitive.. a forced sex change is even more modern.
How the hell are they forcing a sex change on him exactly?
Kerry: Snowden should "man up" and do "his patriotic duty" to go to jail.
Yeah, be a patriot and come back to a kangaroo court. The O regime has come down hard on whistleblowers and yet they play this media game of "just come back and make your case" as if the deck wasn't already stacked against the person.
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Washington: US Secretary of State John Kerry lashed out at fugitive Edward Snowden Wednesday, urging him to "man-up" and do his patriotic duty by returning home to face trial for leaking intelligence secrets.
Kerry's comments came only hours after Snowden alleged he was not just a low-level contractor working for the CIA, as the White House has repeatedly insisted.
"I was trained as a spy in sort of the traditional sense of the word in that I lived and worked undercover overseas -- pretending to work in a job that I'm not -- and even being assigned a name that was not mine," he told NBC.
In his first interview with US media, Snowden said he had worked covertly as "a technical expert" for the Central Intelligence Agency and the National Security Agency, and as a trainer for the Defense Intelligence Agency.
Kerry however denied that the State Department had trapped Snowden in Moscow, saying "for a supposedly smart guy, that's a pretty dumb answer, frankly." "If Mr Snowden wants to come back to the United States today, we'll have him on a flight today," Kerry told NBC.
"A patriot would not run away and look for refuge in Russia or Cuba or some other country," Kerry said. "A patriot would stand up in the United States and make his case to the American people."
More..http://zeenews.india.com/news/world/snowden-should-man-up-and-face-trial-kerry_935742.htmlKerry's comments came only hours after Snowden alleged he was not just a low-level contractor working for the CIA, as the White House has repeatedly insisted.
"I was trained as a spy in sort of the traditional sense of the word in that I lived and worked undercover overseas -- pretending to work in a job that I'm not -- and even being assigned a name that was not mine," he told NBC.
In his first interview with US media, Snowden said he had worked covertly as "a technical expert" for the Central Intelligence Agency and the National Security Agency, and as a trainer for the Defense Intelligence Agency.
Kerry however denied that the State Department had trapped Snowden in Moscow, saying "for a supposedly smart guy, that's a pretty dumb answer, frankly." "If Mr Snowden wants to come back to the United States today, we'll have him on a flight today," Kerry told NBC.
"A patriot would not run away and look for refuge in Russia or Cuba or some other country," Kerry said. "A patriot would stand up in the United States and make his case to the American people."
Yeah, be a patriot and come back to a kangaroo court. The O regime has come down hard on whistleblowers and yet they play this media game of "just come back and make your case" as if the deck wasn't already stacked against the person.
John Kerry kneels before Obama.
well, um shit, that is a mindfuck.. "man up.. and get brainwashed into being a woman." and you know, that is something that could have happened to bradley MANNING.
That is exactly what happened to Manning. The CIA taught a lesson to all of their detractors. Any similar whistle blower will face similar torture methods. Water-logging is primitive.. a forced sex change is even more modern.
"manning up" and "facing trial" with his charges of treason, it would be in a private military style tribunal. he will not be seen again or be heard of. no more interviews, do not pass go, do not collect $200
They can force sex change surgery on him, turning him into Barbara or Tiffany Snowden. And nobody would be able to prevent this due to absence of public control.well, um shit, that is a mindfuck.. "man up.. and get brainwashed into being a woman." and you know, that is something that could have happened to bradley MANNING.
"manning up" and "facing trial" with his charges of treason, it would be in a private military style tribunal. he will not be seen again or be heard of. no more interviews, do not pass go, do not collect $200
They can force sex change surgery on him, turning him into Barbara or Tiffany Snowden. And nobody would be able to prevent this due to absence of public control. http://2016.republican-candidates.org/
Forgive my ignorance, but who are the most likely candidates in this camp?
Forgive my ignorance, but who are the most likely candidates in this camp?
Check this:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html
Right now Rand Paul and Jeb Bush are almost tied for the top spot.
And Paul is leading in NH:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_republican_presidential_primary-3350.html
i'm kind of tempted to bet the GOP candidate losing to hilary, mainly because the republicans don't have enough broad appeal. though i won't vote for hilary, i wouldn't mind putting my money on her.
Apparently Obama is Bush's 10th cousin :p
http://2016.republican-candidates.org/
Forgive my ignorance, but who are the most likely candidates in this camp?
Forgive my ignorance, but who are the most likely candidates in this camp?
Check this:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html
Right now Rand Paul and Jeb Bush are almost tied for the top spot.
And Paul is leading in NH:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_republican_presidential_primary-3350.html
I just threw up in my mouth a little bit at the thought of Jeb Bush winning the nomination.
http://2016.republican-candidates.org/
Forgive my ignorance, but who are the most likely candidates in this camp?
Forgive my ignorance, but who are the most likely candidates in this camp?
Check this:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html
Right now Rand Paul and Jeb Bush are almost tied for the top spot.
And Paul is leading in NH:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_republican_presidential_primary-3350.html
"manning up" and "facing trial" with his charges of treason, it would be in a private military style tribunal. he will not be seen again or be heard of. no more interviews, do not pass go, do not collect $200
Daniel Ellsberg schools John Kerry on patriotism (and the Espionage Act)
Daniel Ellsberg is the whistleblower who was behind the release of the so-called "Pentagon Papers."
US Secretary of State John Kerry calls Ellsberg a "patriot" - and he calls Edward Snowden a "coward" and a "traitor."
Ellsberg says, "John Kerry is wrong" and that Snowden "is the greatest patriot whistleblower of our time" ...
h/t Bob Murphy: http://consultingbyrpm.com/blog/2014/05/ellsberg-vs-kerry-on-snowden.html
Snowden would not get a fair trial - and Kerry is wrong
Daniel Ellsberg is the whistleblower who was behind the release of the so-called "Pentagon Papers."
US Secretary of State John Kerry calls Ellsberg a "patriot" - and he calls Edward Snowden a "coward" and a "traitor."
Ellsberg says, "John Kerry is wrong" and that Snowden "is the greatest patriot whistleblower of our time" ...
h/t Bob Murphy: http://consultingbyrpm.com/blog/2014/05/ellsberg-vs-kerry-on-snowden.html
Snowden would not get a fair trial - and Kerry is wrong
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Daniel Ellsberg (30 May 2014)
Edward Snowden is the greatest patriot whistleblower of our time, and he knows what I learned more than four decades ago: until the Espionage Act gets reformed, he can never come home safe and receive justice
John Kerry was in my mind Wednesday morning, and not because he had called me a patriot on NBC News. I was reading the lead story in the New York Times – "US Troops to Leave Afghanistan by End of 2016" – with a photo of American soldiers looking for caves. I recalled not the Secretary of State but a 27-year-old Kerry, asking, as he testified to the Senate about the US troops who were still in Vietnam and were to remain for another two years: How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?
I wondered how a 70-year-old Kerry would relate to that question as he looked at that picture and that headline. And then there he was on MSNBC an hour later, thinking about me, too, during a round of interviews about Afghanistan that inevitably turned to Edward Snowden ahead of my fellow whistleblower’s own primetime interview that night:
There are many a patriot – you can go back to the Pentagon Papers with Dan Ellsberg and others who stood and went to the court system of America and made their case. Edward Snowden is a coward, he is a traitor, and he has betrayed his country. And if he wants to come home tomorrow to face the music, he can do so.
On the Today show and CBS, Kerry complimented me again – and said Snowden "should man up and come back to the United States" to face charges. But John Kerry is wrong, because that's not the measure of patriotism when it comes to whistleblowing, for me or Snowden, who is facing the same criminal charges I did for exposing the Pentagon Papers.
Cont...http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/30/daniel-ellsberg-snowden-fair-trial-kerry-espionage-actEdward Snowden is the greatest patriot whistleblower of our time, and he knows what I learned more than four decades ago: until the Espionage Act gets reformed, he can never come home safe and receive justice
John Kerry was in my mind Wednesday morning, and not because he had called me a patriot on NBC News. I was reading the lead story in the New York Times – "US Troops to Leave Afghanistan by End of 2016" – with a photo of American soldiers looking for caves. I recalled not the Secretary of State but a 27-year-old Kerry, asking, as he testified to the Senate about the US troops who were still in Vietnam and were to remain for another two years: How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?
I wondered how a 70-year-old Kerry would relate to that question as he looked at that picture and that headline. And then there he was on MSNBC an hour later, thinking about me, too, during a round of interviews about Afghanistan that inevitably turned to Edward Snowden ahead of my fellow whistleblower’s own primetime interview that night:
There are many a patriot – you can go back to the Pentagon Papers with Dan Ellsberg and others who stood and went to the court system of America and made their case. Edward Snowden is a coward, he is a traitor, and he has betrayed his country. And if he wants to come home tomorrow to face the music, he can do so.
On the Today show and CBS, Kerry complimented me again – and said Snowden "should man up and come back to the United States" to face charges. But John Kerry is wrong, because that's not the measure of patriotism when it comes to whistleblowing, for me or Snowden, who is facing the same criminal charges I did for exposing the Pentagon Papers.
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John Kerry's challenge to Snowden to return and face trial is either disingenuous or simply ignorant that current prosecutions under the Espionage Act allow no distinction whatever between a patriotic whistleblower and a spy. Either way, nothing excuses Kerry's slanderous and despicable characterizations of a young man who, in my opinion, has done more than anyone in or out of government in this century to demonstrate his patriotism, moral courage and loyalty to the oath of office the three of us swore: to support and defend the Constitution of the United States.
The jury came back and Kerry is a jackass.
Heh,
Hard to say what his next move could be. Eventually when all is said and done, he will only have one other option and that would be to return and face the music, either that of a grab team will get him and bring him back by force.
Hard to say what his next move could be. Eventually when all is said and done, he will only have one other option and that would be to return and face the music, either that of a grab team will get him and bring him back by force.
If the republican party had won the last election, it would be one of their morons reading out the speech about Snowden being a traitor, and should man-up and go live the rest of his life in a supermax....instead you have a democrat moron reading out the speech. ( sorry to drag this discussion back on theme )
Snowden has to start own election campaign in RF, get a seat in the parliament along with legislative immunity. Then introduce for some anti-Obama bill to become sanctioned person... That would be the maximum trolling mode 
If the republican party had won the last election, it would be one of their morons reading out the speech about Snowden being a traitor, and should man-up and go live the rest of his life in a supermax....instead you have a democrat moron reading out the speech. ( sorry to drag this discussion back on theme )
Opinions on Rand Paul?
I'd probably vote for him this time around
I'd probably vote for him this time around
After many decades, the American public might be having the opportunity to vote for a winnable Libertarian candidate in 2016. But it needs to be seen whether he will be able to win the GOP nomination.
http://2016.republican-candidates.org/
Forgive my ignorance, but who are the most likely candidates in this camp?
Opinions on Rand Paul?
I'd probably vote for him this time around
I'd probably vote for him this time around
After many decades, the American public might be having the opportunity to vote for a winnable Libertarian candidate in 2016. But it needs to be seen whether he will be able to win the GOP nomination.
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I wonder how he deviated so much from his father.
He hasn't. Exactly.
He isn't that much different from Ron, in my opinion.
In fact, Ron Paul was more hardline on national defense, abortion and the like.
His post 9/11 positions were hardly a good defense of civil liberties
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