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Topic: Snowden should 'man-up' and face trial: says SOS John Kerry - page 5. (Read 4186 times)

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This is a tough issue to wrap my brain around. If he broke US law he should be charged and tried, but his motives were clearly not criminal. Either way he would never get a fair trial here.

the legal system works to favor those who are involved with government. those who are not get treated differently, so i'm pretty sure our legal system is flawed.

No question about that. My Father in law is an attorney and would say the same. He had a client earlier in his career that was executed this year. He said that the funds he received for preparing the defense for this client were nowhere near what he needed to compete with the incredible amount the state spent to make sure they could kill him.   

what bothers me is the people who molest kids, drive intoxicated and kill people, and do other shit.. get away scott free because they have money. meanwhile, someone who sells weed in some southern state gets the death penalty.. because he was poor and there are evil people out there.

meanwhile, we have the gangsters in our government saying "you should abide by the law, it is supreme.. come back to the U.S. so we can torture you."

Innocent until proven indigent is the de facto law of the land in the US. So much for the land of the free.
legendary
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Don't forget about Bill Clitor Clinton.

Bush and Cheney waged war for their corporate allies. Billary Clintons waged war to improve their reputation. In 1999, both Bill's and Hillary's reputation was going down to the drains, when he decided to bomb the orphanages of Serbia. His reputation bounced back to some extent... but not enough to propel Kerry to an election victory the next year.
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Snowden should agree to face trial for telling the truth right after Bush and Cheney have faced trial for lying and being responsible for initiating a war of aggression, an act described by the Nuremberg Tribunals as the "supreme international crime".
Don't forget about Bill Clitor Clinton.
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Snowden should agree to face trial for telling the truth right after Bush and Cheney have faced trial for lying and being responsible for initiating a war of aggression, an act described by the Nuremberg Tribunals as the "supreme international crime".
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People in the U.S government no less talked about how much they'd want to shoot him, it's amazing really that Russia is more safe for him than the U.S given what we've been taught by western governments as children, John Kerry can shut the fuck up I agree, at least in Russia he's being treated as a human being.

Kerry is just embarrassed at how badly their dirty laundry got put out to air making them responsible to their citizens
That invincibility complex of being the government and always knowing best.
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This is a tough issue to wrap my brain around. If he broke US law he should be charged and tried, but his motives were clearly not criminal. Either way he would never get a fair trial here.

the legal system works to favor those who are involved with government. those who are not get treated differently, so i'm pretty sure our legal system is flawed.

No question about that. My Father in law is an attorney and would say the same. He had a client earlier in his career that was executed this year. He said that the funds he received for preparing the defense for this client were nowhere near what he needed to compete with the incredible amount the state spent to make sure they could kill him.   

what bothers me is the people who molest kids, drive intoxicated and kill people, and do other shit.. get away scott free because they have money. meanwhile, someone who sells weed in some southern state gets the death penalty.. because he was poor and there are evil people out there.

meanwhile, we have the gangsters in our government saying "you should abide by the law, it is supreme.. come back to the U.S. so we can torture you."
sr. member
Activity: 406
Merit: 250
This is a tough issue to wrap my brain around. If he broke US law he should be charged and tried, but his motives were clearly not criminal. Either way he would never get a fair trial here.

the legal system works to favor those who are involved with government. those who are not get treated differently, so i'm pretty sure our legal system is flawed.

No question about that. My Father in law is an attorney and would say the same. He had a client earlier in his career that was executed this year. He said that the funds he received for preparing the defense for this client were nowhere near what he needed to compete with the incredible amount the state spent to make sure they could kill him.   
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This is a tough issue to wrap my brain around. If he broke US law he should be charged and tried, but his motives were clearly not criminal. Either way he would never get a fair trial here.

the legal system works to favor those who are involved with government. those who are not get treated differently, so i'm pretty sure our legal system is flawed.
sr. member
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This is a tough issue to wrap my brain around. If he broke US law he should be charged and tried, but his motives were clearly not criminal. Either way he would never get a fair trial here.
legendary
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Nothing like healthy scepticism and hard evidence
In an ideal world, Snowden would return and be acquitted in a trial by jury. That would be a major blow to the current American policy on privacy.

But this isn't an ideal world.
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i just saw his nbc interview, and i fucking love this guy.. he's ballsy. the way he presents himself makes me as certain as i possibly can that he did it not to be famous.

he even spoke out against the russian government.. quite ballsy.
legendary
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He is allowed to leave the country whenever he want. But once he does this, his temporary ID will become a useless scrap of paper and he won't be able to return without getting the new ID.  Roll Eyes Temporary ID card has no limitations except this one, i.e. there is no difference between a passport and a temporary ID if you haven't left the country.  Maybe later he will apply the full citizenship, who knows... Seems like a good idea because his US passport has been revoked.

Maybe, but sadly this courtesy doesn't extended to some of their own citizens, specifically homosexuals and feminist activists (not to mention their involvement in the Ukraine).
Well, it seems that you have dedicated too much time for Euronews or CNN. Smiley

Oh, c'mon, we see this gay-people-cracking-down stuff again and again... Grin Nobody cracking down on them, it's a total BS. Nobody cares about gays here, some pop stars and politicials are open homosexuals, they're still alive and active.

This "gay people prosecutions" bullshit is not even funny anymore. It's so far from the reality that I'm unable to imagine how anybody can believe that. This would be like a belief into spaghetti monster or martian invasion, the same level of stupidity.

Sexual orientation is nobody's business, it's a private matter. If some person thinks too much about someone's orientation, then he needs to visit a doctor, without any delay. This is the most popular point of view on this issue.
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at least in Russia he's being treated as a human being.

Maybe, but sadly this courtesy doesn't extended to some of their own citizens, specifically homosexuals and feminist activists (not to mention their involvement in the Ukraine).

Has Snowden actually got a Russian passport now, or has/will he be granted citizenship? I wonder if he'll ever make his way to Cuba, but I'd probably rather stay in Russia where it's safer for him. Cuba looks a nice place to live though. Whatever happens I hope he can find some comfort/happiness in life. Pretty bullshit he'll most probably have to spend the rest of his life as a fugitive now.

would russia even let him leave? he has valuable information on not only the U.S., but other countries as well. it could be a strategic advantage for them to know this information.
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http://rt.com/usa/162144-snowden-russia-spy-nsa/

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"The reality is I never intended to end up in Russia," he said. "I had a flight booked to Cuba onwards to Latin America and I was stopped because the United States government decided to revoke my passport and trap me in Moscow airport.”

"So when people ask why are you in Russia, I say, 'Please ask the State Department,'” he added.

Nice catch, while it was obvious, it's another proof and the fact that it isn't denied makes it legit
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yeah agreed as the US gov already made charges against him, I feel bad for him his life is ruined from this point on, I wonder if he has any regrets doing this.  I think as of us Americans we need to stand up for the man

Ruined life ? He already won.
The day when he will die, I am sure he will be one of the few that will proudly say : "I had a meaningful life, thanks"
There is no way he regrets following his conviction against a comfortable life.
His life is not ruined, it began from the day he followed his convictions. (The bad or good consequences it had depends on the observer)

"Every man dies, not every man really live" like William Wallace (or its actor) said Smiley
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at least in Russia he's being treated as a human being.

Maybe, but sadly this courtesy doesn't extended to some of their own citizens, specifically homosexuals and feminist activists (not to mention their involvement in the Ukraine).

Has Snowden actually got a Russian passport now, or has/will he be granted citizenship? I wonder if he'll ever make his way to Cuba, but I'd probably rather stay in Russia where it's safer for him. Cuba looks a nice place to live though. Whatever happens I hope he can find some comfort/happiness in life. Pretty bullshit he'll most probably have to spend the rest of his life as a fugitive now.
legendary
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It'd like to see Kerry's butthurt if Snowden would decide to run his election campaign on the next parliamentary or mayor elections... It seems that he has a strong chance to be elected as MP or mayor of Moscow.
legendary
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John Kerry is one of the biggest fuckin' hypocrite on the world.
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People in the U.S government no less talked about how much they'd want to shoot him, it's amazing really that Russia is more safe for him than the U.S given what we've been taught by western governments as children, John Kerry can shut the fuck up I agree, at least in Russia he's being treated as a human being.
legendary
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http://rt.com/usa/162144-snowden-russia-spy-nsa/

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"The reality is I never intended to end up in Russia," he said. "I had a flight booked to Cuba onwards to Latin America and I was stopped because the United States government decided to revoke my passport and trap me in Moscow airport.”

"So when people ask why are you in Russia, I say, 'Please ask the State Department,'” he added.
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