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Here is my question:

Somehow I managed to stake before to hard fork, to be exact, 20 times. With the hard fork am I going to lose my 20x that I built before?

I am asking this because I got a 0 reward stake from experimental build. Which shows Turbo: 0x.

Your multiplier only looks at the last 48 hours, it doesn't stack up.  So if all your stakes were over 48 hours ago, your multiplier will be back at 0.  I think it was a minor oversight because it appears the multiplier starts at 0 for first stake, 1 for 2nd, 2 for 3rd, and so on.  So you effectively need to stake 3 blocks before you get to at least 2x and the multiplier takes effect.

If you are asking if the 0 multiplier multiplies your reward by 0, thereby giving you a 0 reward, no it doesn't.  You still get your standard stake reward.

Well, that sucks to be honest. It would only award big wallets therefore your idea of fair distrubition through staking seems not possible.

SockPuppet is trying to help, but his explanation is a little inaccurate.

The network rejects any 0 PoS block reward and therefore any 0 multiplier. You start at 1, not 0, in all cases. I actually put out an "experimental" release yesterday allowing users to submit 0 block rewards, but as a lot of people experienced, it played havoc with the network because 0 block rewards were rejected by non-experimental clients, even if they didn't mint the block themselves.

Finally, in terms of fair distribution, we don't know how Turbo Stake will play out. Cryptocurrencies are by nature experimental, especially alt coins that want to break new ground. Let's see what happens with Turbo Stake. In the end, I believe the most dedicated stakers will win, whether they start small or not. This isn't all luck. Staking and supporting the network requires effort, especially early in the life of a PoW/PoS hybrid. We hope Turbo Stake will appropriately reward this effort.




I figured the multiplier started out at 0 because as you can see, my first 2 stakes were both 1x.  I assumed behind the scenes it counted your first 2 stakes as 0 and 1, but effectively rewarded them both as 1x.
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I have 2 connections with the wallet, but it isn't syncing.

Yesterday it synced fine until i got 3 POS blocks/rewards after that it stopped syncing.

Am i doing something wrong or do i need some addnodes??

Below are the latest instructions for a complete re-sync ("fresh start").




First, as always, back up your wallet.dat from the File menu.

Second, whether or not you are certain you are using the right client, please go to the OP and download the client for your system. Just make sure you are using the right client.

Third, delete your peers.dat, onion, and tor directories before you restart. This clears your Tor caches in case you have any problems with your Tor connection.

Fourth, sync from the bootstrap:


Finally, as soon as you are synced and connected, start staking.

It worked, thanks for the support Grin
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Following the lead of ocminer, we've got another contest for Bittrex!  Give this a retweet for your chance to win 100 SNRG!


https://twitter.com/SynergyCoin/status/605439274159210497
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Well I don't have dozens of coins. I mined the first day and my wallet has been up and running since than. What I can't understand is why multiplier goes to 0 after 2 days, shouldn't it stay? Practically it is impossible to stake to 280 if you are not a whale.

Your multiplier should never be 0. Where are you seeing this? If you see a 0 multiplier somewhere, then you need to make sure you are running the official 1.0.4.0 client. Please follow these instructions: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11507410

Whales won't even get 288 most likely. It's simply an absolute cap on the multiplier.


It's not 0, I meant it being resetted. I just staked after two days and my multiplier was 4x btw.
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Well I don't have dozens of coins. I mined the first day and my wallet has been up and running since than. What I can't understand is why multiplier goes to 0 after 2 days, shouldn't it stay? Practically it is impossible to stake to 280 if you are not a whale.

Your multiplier should never be 0. Where are you seeing this? If you see a 0 multiplier somewhere, then you need to make sure you are running the official 1.0.4.0 client. Please follow these instructions: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11507410

Whales won't even get 288 most likely. It's just an absolute cap on the multiplier.
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Well I don't have dozens of coins. I mined the first day and my wallet has been up and running since than. What I can't understand is why multiplier goes to 0 after 2 days, shouldn't it stay? Practically it is impossible to stake to 280 if you are not a whale.
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Here is my question:

Somehow I managed to stake before to hard fork, to be exact, 20 times. With the hard fork am I going to lose my 20x that I built before?

I am asking this because I got a 0 reward stake from experimental build. Which shows Turbo: 0x.

Your multiplier only looks at the last 48 hours, it doesn't stack up.  So if all your stakes were over 48 hours ago, your multiplier will be back at 0.  I think it was a minor oversight because it appears the multiplier starts at 0 for first stake, 1 for 2nd, 2 for 3rd, and so on.  So you effectively need to stake 3 blocks before you get to at least 2x and the multiplier takes effect.

If you are asking if the 0 multiplier multiplies your reward by 0, thereby giving you a 0 reward, no it doesn't.  You still get your standard stake reward.

Well, that sucks to be honest. It would only award big wallets therefore your idea of fair distrubition through staking seems not possible.

SockPuppet is trying to help, but his explanation is a little inaccurate.

The network rejects any 0 PoS block reward and therefore any 0 multiplier. You start at 1, not 0, in all cases. I actually put out an "experimental" release yesterday allowing users to submit 0 block rewards, but as a lot of people experienced, it played havoc with the network because 0 block rewards were rejected by non-experimental clients, even if they didn't mint the block themselves.

Finally, in terms of fair distribution, we don't know how Turbo Stake will play out. Cryptocurrencies are by nature experimental, especially alt coins that want to break new ground. Let's see what happens with Turbo Stake. In the end, I believe the most dedicated stakers will win, whether they start small or not. This isn't all luck. Staking and supporting the network requires effort, especially early in the life of a PoW/PoS hybrid. We hope Turbo Stake will appropriately reward this effort.
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Infected Mushroom
Here is my question:

Somehow I managed to stake before to hard fork, to be exact, 20 times. With the hard fork am I going to lose my 20x that I built before?

I am asking this because I got a 0 reward stake from experimental build. Which shows Turbo: 0x.

Your multiplier only looks at the last 48 hours, it doesn't stack up.  So if all your stakes were over 48 hours ago, your multiplier will be back at 0.  I think it was a minor oversight because it appears the multiplier starts at 0 for first stake, 1 for 2nd, 2 for 3rd, and so on.  So you effectively need to stake 3 blocks before you get to at least 2x and the multiplier takes effect.

If you are asking if the 0 multiplier multiplies your reward by 0, thereby giving you a 0 reward, no it doesn't.  You still get your standard stake reward.

Well, that sucks to be honest. It would only award big wallets therefore your idea of fair distrubition through staking seems not possible.
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I have 2 connections with the wallet, but it isn't syncing.

Yesterday it synced fine until i got 3 POS blocks/rewards after that it stopped syncing.

Am i doing something wrong or do i need some addnodes??

Below are the latest instructions for a complete re-sync ("fresh start").




First, as always, back up your wallet.dat from the File menu.

Second, whether or not you are certain you are using the right client, please go to the OP and download the client for your system. Just make sure you are using the right client.

Third, delete your peers.dat, onion, and tor directories before you restart. This clears your Tor caches in case you have any problems with your Tor connection.

Fourth, sync from the bootstrap:


Finally, as soon as you are synced and connected, start staking.
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Here is my question:

Somehow I managed to stake before to hard fork, to be exact, 20 times. With the hard fork am I going to lose my 20x that I built before?

I am asking this because I got a 0 reward stake from experimental build. Which shows Turbo: 0x.

If you didn't stake on the current best chain, it will be as if those stakes never happened. Your multiplier will be rolled back.

Try to get synced to the right chain as fast as you can and get staking so you can build your multiplier. If you have problems, help us get you synced with clear descriptions of what you observe.

Finally, we know it's hard to sync to the chain and my "experimental" release yesterday didn't help.

However, you get rewarded for your efforts here. Yes, some people will be lucky, but those who work hardest to build and maintain a multiplier will get rewarded the most because they are helping the network the most.
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I have 2 connections with the wallet, but it isn't syncing.

Yesterday it synced fine until i got 3 POS blocks/rewards after that it stopped syncing.

Am i doing something wrong or do i need some addnodes??
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Here is my question:

Somehow I managed to stake before to hard fork, to be exact, 20 times. With the hard fork am I going to lose my 20x that I built before?

I am asking this because I got a 0 reward stake from experimental build. Which shows Turbo: 0x.

Your multiplier only looks at the last 48 hours, it doesn't stack up.  So if all your stakes were over 48 hours ago, your multiplier will be back at 0.  I think it was a minor oversight because it appears the multiplier starts at 0 for first stake, 1 for 2nd, 2 for 3rd, and so on.  So you effectively need to stake 3 blocks before you get to at least 2x and the multiplier takes effect.

If you are asking if the 0 multiplier multiplies your reward by 0, thereby giving you a 0 reward, no it doesn't.  You still get your standard stake reward.
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Infected Mushroom
Here is my question:

Somehow I managed to stake before to hard fork, to be exact, 20 times. With the hard fork am I going to lose my 20x that I built before?

I am asking this because I got a 0 reward stake from experimental build. Which shows Turbo: 0x.
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Looking good!  I did have to resync and add the above nodes but it is working well for me.

I was a little bit disappointed because all my coins staked rather quickly, I assume because of my built up weight and not everyone has their clients open, but it did that thing where smaller blocks of coins were automatically swept together into one larger input for some reason.  I understand that it does this to ensure the inputs don't get too small and make sure the network stays healthy.  It was a little annoying though because I easily could have gotten my multiplier higher.  Any way we can have some control over that, ya know, for me and the 2 or 3 other aspies who want to obsess over the small details in an effort to gain a tiny advantage?

As far as know it shouldn't require a hard fork, just an optional update.  I imagine it would be easiest to do with a handful of rpc calls.  Like 'stakesplit' would ensure all your inputs are left alone and your stake splits into 2 outputs, 'stakecombine' would leave your inputs alone but combine your staked coins back into 1 output, and 'stakenormal' could shut off either of those commands and return to the default.  It would be enough control that the few who want it can use it, but its hidden enough so those that don't won't have to bother with it.  They could be taken out in any further updates past the 30 days of turbo stake, or left in as irrelevant vestiges of SNRG's turbo staking birth.

Not sure how difficult or time consuming something like this would be to implement, but it would be nice to have for the next 3 weeks or so.  For that matter, exactly which block or time does turbo staking end?

It can be done sooner. I'll look more closely at it. It won't require a hard fork. Whether or not you consolidate stake is up to the wallet and is not enforced by the network.


I know it's not enforced by the network, it's that I used to remember staking always splitting the block in half and resulting in 2 outputs.  But at some point I started seeing POS coins seemingly randomly create 1 output, 2 outputs, or sweeping many inputs into 1 output.  I'm sure there is some reason it does it, and there is some algorithm governing the behavior but I have never been able to figure out what exactly it is.  With unique POS systems such as this, it's nice to have more control over what happens because you can optimize your block sizes more easily and hopefully gain an edge over the other guys.  It is the same behavior I posted about in the XQN thread long ago, I included examples in this post https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10073288

Oh yeah, and website looks great!
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Thanks for mining with Suprnova guys - please don't forget to withdraw your remaining funds from the Pool and please RT:

https://twitter.com/SuprnovaPools/status/605289799193346048

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Looking good!  I did have to resync and add the above nodes but it is working well for me.

I was a little bit disappointed because all my coins staked rather quickly, I assume because of my built up weight and not everyone has their clients open, but it did that thing where smaller blocks of coins were automatically swept together into one larger input for some reason.  I understand that it does this to ensure the inputs don't get too small and make sure the network stays healthy.  It was a little annoying though because I easily could have gotten my multiplier higher.  Any way we can have some control over that, ya know, for me and the 2 or 3 other aspies who want to obsess over the small details in an effort to gain a tiny advantage?

As far as know it shouldn't require a hard fork, just an optional update.  I imagine it would be easiest to do with a handful of rpc calls.  Like 'stakesplit' would ensure all your inputs are left alone and your stake splits into 2 outputs, 'stakecombine' would leave your inputs alone but combine your staked coins back into 1 output, and 'stakenormal' could shut off either of those commands and return to the default.  It would be enough control that the few who want it can use it, but its hidden enough so those that don't won't have to bother with it.  They could be taken out in any further updates past the 30 days of turbo stake, or left in as irrelevant vestiges of SNRG's turbo staking birth.

Not sure how difficult or time consuming something like this would be to implement, but it would be nice to have for the next 3 weeks or so.  For that matter, exactly which block or time does turbo staking end?

It can be done sooner. I'll look more closely at it. It won't require a hard fork. Whether or not you consolidate stake is up to the wallet and is not enforced by the network.
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Linux Wallet

A linux build is now available. A link is in the OP.


hooray/thank you... you've really come through on everything you've said you would so far. i like you grandpa. good, active dev=good, active coin. keep it up sir!
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why the wallet not sync?

Whether or not you are certain you are using the right client, can you please go to the OP and download the client for your system. Then brute-force a sync to the correct chain by using the bootstrap.

See here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11502274

Delete your peers.dat before you restart. You'll get a bunch of good peers from the seednode.

Then, as soon as you are synced and connected, start staking.

I tried this and it worked like a charm!  Thanks!

it did not help me Sad


Strange, I had no problem.  Didn't even use the bootstrap.  Just got the new client, cleared out everything except my wallet.dat and synergy.conf (with fresh nodes listed in it) and fired it up.  Synced in minutes.  Below is a list of the 8 nodes I am currently connected to, maybe they will help.

pdtm4yenbcajukom.onion:40698
zv3ac6uxehimq62u.onion:40698
g2julutk6smmcwli.onion:40698
44ekhpo37xqzk3ic.onion:40698
mr56ofher4bcbk46.onion:40698
ajvbl6g5x6g64mpv.onion:40698
gca75mgxzy5r6pdq.onion:40698
wr52w2ulqocq3ywe.onion:40698
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why the wallet not sync?

Whether or not you are certain you are using the right client, can you please go to the OP and download the client for your system. Then brute-force a sync to the correct chain by using the bootstrap.

See here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11502274

Delete your peers.dat before you restart. You'll get a bunch of good peers from the seednode.

Then, as soon as you are synced and connected, start staking.

I tried this and it worked like a charm!  Thanks!

it did not help me Sad
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why the wallet not sync?

Whether or not you are certain you are using the right client, can you please go to the OP and download the client for your system. Then brute-force a sync to the correct chain by using the bootstrap.

See here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11502274

Delete your peers.dat before you restart. You'll get a bunch of good peers from the seednode.

Then, as soon as you are synced and connected, start staking.

I tried this and it worked like a charm!  Thanks!
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