Social experiments in the world of gambling

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Quote from: Debonaire217 on January 24, 2020, 02:09:48 AM

This is the case where crime rates in gambling somehow increase, that is because many people lend money to gamblers that sometimes falls to be lost because instead of winning back their lost, the money they borrow lost as well. So in this concept, I highly believe that helping a person who lost in gambling isn't worthy, but to teach them with concepts of gambling for them to increase their winning rate is more productive. This will create time frame for them to play again soon, and to probably avoid being addicted.

If someone is in debt then advising him to involve into gambling activities is not a good suggestion to be honest.

Insteaad of teaching about winning rewards later,better teach them about how gambling works and its not possible for anyone to get assurance of winning in gambling.

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This is the case where crime rates in gambling somehow increase, that is because many people lend money to gamblers that sometimes falls to be lost because instead of winning back their lost, the money they borrow lost as well. So in this concept, I highly believe that helping a person who lost in gambling isn't worthy, but to teach them with concepts of gambling for them to increase their winning rate is more productive. This will create time frame for them to play again soon, and to probably avoid being addicted.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on January 21, 2020, 07:11:02 AM

Quote from: Polar91 on January 17, 2020, 08:35:39 PM

The only possible entity that could provide them with a cash back is if we are an owner of a betting platform or casino in which, we could incorporate faucet systems just like what the usual betying platform does. But if personally, I would not rather help him because once a loss takes a lesson to be learned and if we allow him to play once more through our funds, he might be incline to do the same thing over and over again.

Not all gamblers can learn from their losses, and if one gambler can do that, then he might get lucky for his life. We don't want to help that person if the money is not for helping his life, and he only searches for pleasure. Once he can get the money from other peoples and somehow, he loses again, he will try to search from the other people and continue to play gambling. Maybe we can give a lesson to him so he can know that what he did is wrong.

That will be the possible outcome if you'll going to allow lending a gambler money since instead of using it to much better ways, he will continue
using it to play and try his luck inside gambling house. Once he loses his money then he will find other people and lend again, it will be a repeat
scenario and definitely he will just doing it over and over.

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Quote from: radjie on January 23, 2020, 10:35:15 AM

Quote from: ethereumhunter on January 21, 2020, 07:11:02 AM

Quote from: Polar91 on January 17, 2020, 08:35:39 PM

The only possible entity that could provide them with a cash back is if we are an owner of a betting platform or casino in which, we could incorporate faucet systems just like what the usual betying platform does. But if personally, I would not rather help him because once a loss takes a lesson to be learned and if we allow him to play once more through our funds, he might be incline to do the same thing over and over again.

Not all gamblers can learn from their losses, and if one gambler can do that, then he might get lucky for his life. We don't want to help that person if the money is not for helping his life, and he only searches for pleasure. Once he can get the money from other peoples and somehow, he loses again, he will try to search from the other people and continue to play gambling. Maybe we can give a lesson to him so he can know that what he did is wrong.

Of course, not all gamblers are able to learn from the mistakes they have made. if he manages to get money from other people to make up for his loss it is likely that he will gamble without emotional control and have a heavier burden because he is very ambitious to win the game, such conditions are certainly not appropriate for returning to play
most likely he will continue to suffer losses and will continue to try to borrow back capital to others

Those gamblers who manage to get money from other people for gambling they also enter in a condition where they do not worry that if they lose the money or not and continue to get more money from other people. This make the gambler a careless person because in this condition the person do not worry the same as a easy earner do not worry while compare to those who earn with hard struggle. These people create some bad situations in the area and also quarrel with the people to whom they have to repay the loan.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on January 21, 2020, 07:11:02 AM

Quote from: Polar91 on January 17, 2020, 08:35:39 PM

The only possible entity that could provide them with a cash back is if we are an owner of a betting platform or casino in which, we could incorporate faucet systems just like what the usual betying platform does. But if personally, I would not rather help him because once a loss takes a lesson to be learned and if we allow him to play once more through our funds, he might be incline to do the same thing over and over again.

Not all gamblers can learn from their losses, and if one gambler can do that, then he might get lucky for his life. We don't want to help that person if the money is not for helping his life, and he only searches for pleasure. Once he can get the money from other peoples and somehow, he loses again, he will try to search from the other people and continue to play gambling. Maybe we can give a lesson to him so he can know that what he did is wrong.

Of course, not all gamblers are able to learn from the mistakes they have made. if he manages to get money from other people to make up for his loss it is likely that he will gamble without emotional control and have a heavier burden because he is very ambitious to win the game, such conditions are certainly not appropriate for returning to play
most likely he will continue to suffer losses and will continue to try to borrow back capital to others

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Quote from: sheenshane on January 21, 2020, 04:46:19 AM

Those replies above were right, giving money is not the right solution. Once gambling addicts have money it will return to gambling again and again until the entire money will be lost.

Exactly, no gambler would learn if we keep feeding him when he need money, and if we tolerate is wrong doings.
Gambling addiction will only go severe if they have the chance to gamble more and more, letting them learn the hard way is the key.

Quote from: sheenshane on January 21, 2020, 04:46:19 AM

Good advice is necessary that temporarily leave gambling and find a decent job if they want to sustain their gambling habit.

its' still not good to find a job to sustain gambling,. the right purpose is to find a job to earn and not to spend it on gambling.

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Quote from: Polar91 on January 17, 2020, 08:35:39 PM

The only possible entity that could provide them with a cash back is if we are an owner of a betting platform or casino in which, we could incorporate faucet systems just like what the usual betying platform does. But if personally, I would not rather help him because once a loss takes a lesson to be learned and if we allow him to play once more through our funds, he might be incline to do the same thing over and over again.

Not all gamblers can learn from their losses, and if one gambler can do that, then he might get lucky for his life. We don't want to help that person if the money is not for helping his life, and he only searches for pleasure. Once he can get the money from other peoples and somehow, he loses again, he will try to search from the other people and continue to play gambling. Maybe we can give a lesson to him so he can know that what he did is wrong.

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I have seen here before someone asking help because of massive losses and he wants to overcome those losses. As I remember that is a newbie account but no one will believe and all those replies saying that dont beg money in the forum and probably he is lying just want to earn a simple way of making money.

Those replies above were right, giving money is not the right solution. Once gambling addicts have money it will return to gambling again and again until the entire money will be lost. Good advice is necessary that temporarily leave gambling and find a decent job if they want to sustain their gambling habit.

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Quote from: Shamerkhan on November 18, 2019, 04:01:14 PM

If someone bet and he suffers a big loss and then goes here to ask a little help from you, are you willing to give him help?
Have you ever experienced something like that, how do you deal with this loss?

Begging for BTC or any other crypto or even fiat isn't allowed by the rules of the forum. I think asking for monetary help is also counted as begging. I will not help any gambler because they should know what they are doing and what can cause if they gamble.
I am not a big gambler, I always stay on my limit. I gamble small money and this make no difference for me if I lose all.

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Quote from: Shamerkhan on November 18, 2019, 04:01:14 PM

If someone bet and he suffers a big loss and then goes here to ask a little help from you, are you willing to give him help?
Have you ever experienced something like that, how do you deal with this loss?

I have real life experience about it. A friend of mine was addicted on the gambling, often he had borrowed money from some other friends after lost on gambling. But he never returned that money without arguments. So all of my friends were aware about his behaviour. Once a time everyone stop giving money to him. He had tried to borrow from me as well but I deny always due to his behaviour. I told him just leave gambling addition and start a job, I will arrange a job for you. I asked him, you may play occasionally like on some happy events. So I manage a job for him and start work, although he left that job after few days and found another good job but he is out of gambling addiction now.

So helping them with money won't help for come out for gambling and they would more addicted instead. If you have oppurtunity to help them then give a chance for job or business, so they could out from gambling.

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Quote from: coinfinger on January 20, 2020, 11:28:05 PM

Helping a gambler usually ending up in big vain as gamblers never quit after losses and any new income stream will boost them to get back into gambling with their own reasoning of "recovering" previous losses but they will simply continue their losing streak.

helping a gambler does not always mean that we are helping or encourage them to play again . we can help them because they have other financial problems aside from gambling . gamblers are called gambler because they are known for playing that game but they also have a life outside . this example also refers to me . i love playing gambling everyday and once im loss , i know where to stop because i was thinking about my family . sometimes i ask for loans but not to play or to recover my loss .

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Quote from: Shamerkhan on November 18, 2019, 04:01:14 PM

If someone bet and he suffers a big loss and then goes here to ask a little help from you, are you willing to give him help?
Have you ever experienced something like that, how do you deal with this loss?

Helping a gambler usually ending up in big vain as gamblers never quit after losses and any new income stream will boost them to get back into gambling with their own reasoning of "recovering" previous losses but they will simply continue their losing streak. I am not against helping out anyone but our money should not be wasted in gambling but it should be used for building their life at least to the level a common man do have like setting up a small business for life.

I strongly believe social life and gambling life are two different entities and when we try to mingle them that may not produce expected results as gamblers never change their mindset so quickly which always ruining the basic essence of social gathering.

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Quote from: hahay on January 17, 2020, 05:53:28 PM

Quote from: vintages on January 17, 2020, 12:47:23 PM

Quote from: Rengga Jati on January 11, 2020, 11:30:42 AM

What help do you mean here? Giving some money or suggestion to him? If it is about the suggestion, I will always be ready to help anytime. But once helping a gambler with money, I am not really sure since it won't recover him from addiction, nor their loss. We may relieve his loss at that time but he will make another loss tomorrow. So, I think it is not an effective way or the right way to help him.

There is more sense in the point you made. An addicted gambler will always be one till they fully make up their mind to stop. Coupled will self will an dedication.
If one help them with money, there is higher chances they will go back especially when he got it easily. He or she will believe they will beg and the money will come. Later help them in solving their problem than giving them cash.

Yes, no one will give them money for reasons about this case, once they are given money then they will do it again and again, it would be better to help him get out of gambling addiction by getting him to work or anything that basically there are still many solutions another better and more effective way to help her get out of this suffering.

This is very common with most of those that are addicted to something, they will deny it but as soon as they get in trouble they are going to ask for help and if you do not give it to them then they are going to blame you for their problems even if they are the ones that are completely responsible for them.

And if you try to give them an advice about how to leave their gambling problem they will never accept it thinking you want to take control of their life even if you just want to help them.

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The only possible entity that could provide them with a cash back is if we are an owner of a betting platform or casino in which, we could incorporate faucet systems just like what the usual betying platform does. But if personally, I would not rather help him because once a loss takes a lesson to be learned and if we allow him to play once more through our funds, he might be incline to do the same thing over and over again.

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Quote from: hahay on January 17, 2020, 05:53:28 PM

Yes, no one will give them money for reasons about this case, once they are given money then they will do it again and again, it would be better to help him get out of gambling addiction by getting him to work or anything that basically there are still many solutions another better and more effective way to help her get out of this suffering.

There will be his willing friend that will support him, but this is not the right thing to do, his friend needed to give him advice not many, he only just tolerating his friend if he did that and it only make his friend mo are addict and can worsten his life. They need to give him jobs that are not related to gambling for him to start again.

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Quote from: vintages on January 17, 2020, 12:47:23 PM

Quote from: Rengga Jati on January 11, 2020, 11:30:42 AM

What help do you mean here? Giving some money or suggestion to him? If it is about the suggestion, I will always be ready to help anytime. But once helping a gambler with money, I am not really sure since it won't recover him from addiction, nor their loss. We may relieve his loss at that time but he will make another loss tomorrow. So, I think it is not an effective way or the right way to help him.

There is more sense in the point you made. An addicted gambler will always be one till they fully make up their mind to stop. Coupled will self will an dedication.
If one help them with money, there is higher chances they will go back especially when he got it easily. He or she will believe they will beg and the money will come. Later help them in solving their problem than giving them cash.

Yes, no one will give them money for reasons about this case, once they are given money then they will do it again and again, it would be better to help him get out of gambling addiction by getting him to work or anything that basically there are still many solutions another better and more effective way to help her get out of this suffering.

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Even he's my friend, I'll not give any single cents to him/her. It's his fault and should face the consequences of being aggressive in gambling. I don't have a problem with gambling but I have problems with those people who keep wasting their funds. They don't have discipline and control then it's not my problem and it'll serve as a lesson for them.

The first loss should be the first and the last mistake, slap him into the reality that gambling isn't really for profit-making. The only people should waste their money on gambling are those luxurious people who think gambling is for entertainment only.

I understand this. But it won't really hurt you to help once and tell that person to change or try to be a better person. At least you warned and reminded him so he knows there won't be a second chance of help from you.

Help once? Do you even understand how hard it is to be addicted in something? Reminding him once won't help at all, it will just keep on coming back if you will just do it once. That kind of help is not needed, better ignore him if you will just do that half-hearted help of yours. If you will not be there for him, your totally useless in helping him.

And it is also expected that the helper will say that he helped only for once and again he will not help but that will be the habit of the gambler that he will ask help from different person each time and will lose all of the money in gambling which he will ask from people in help. So it is better to motivate him to do any job or any other work to earn money which may also help him to stay away from gambling.

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Quote from: Rengga Jati on January 11, 2020, 11:30:42 AM

What help do you mean here? Giving some money or suggestion to him? If it is about the suggestion, I will always be ready to help anytime. But once helping a gambler with money, I am not really sure since it won't recover him from addiction, nor their loss. We may relieve his loss at that time but he will make another loss tomorrow. So, I think it is not an effective way or the right way to help him.

There is more sense in the point you made. An addicted gambler will always be one till they fully make up their mind to stop. Coupled will self will an dedication.
If one help them with money, there is higher chances they will go back especially when he got it easily. He or she will believe they will beg and the money will come. Later help them in solving their problem than giving them cash.

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Quote from: Text on November 18, 2019, 09:22:00 PM

I can only offer is advice. I will help him through realization. He should just accept and move on cause he can never bring back what already lost. If he wants to bet again, I want him to take note next time that gamble only what he can afford to lose. I think such a big loss is enough to teach him a lesson. If he doesn't want to suffer again, then don't commit the same mistake, he'll just look like a fool if he do so.

Good point. If this person had developed a severe gambling addiction then any kind of monetary help would only enable the person and in no way help. As stated above the only help I could give would be to help the person realize there is a problem, take accountability, and figure out what steps need to be taken to overcome this overwhelming addiction. Without admitting to one's self that there is a problem don't expect any change only denials and dishonesty to self and others

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Quote from: Kasabus on January 16, 2020, 06:50:52 AM

Quote from: joeperry on January 16, 2020, 06:12:15 AM

How do you deal with loss? We have different gambling experiences and the person itself who would discover how he/she would deal with this kind of loss. If he/she can't deal with his/her loss it's time to seek a professional.

That's the reality that others still failed to accept, gambling is risky so we need to accept if we lose.
Problem with some gamblers is that they are too aggressive and not realistic, they tend to think that they can make easy money so they lose easily.

When a gambler loses control that's the start of his disaster as most likely he will just lose more when he is losing and will not end up winning if can't stop gambling even when already profited.

When you start gambling you will have to face win and lose and be ready to be calm in case I fortunate as you don’t know what's there in your luck. Gambling is the best source of entertainment for people so sometimes they lose patience and gamble limitless while it’s not a good thing. When you gamble make sure you have full control over your emotions and especially on your Greed to earn more and more.

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