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Topic: Social security is the govs way of saying you are too stupid to save your own $$ - page 3. (Read 3724 times)

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Are you aware of the history between myrkul and I? Probably not. Don't make our fight yours.

And have your insults ever done more than display your inability to discuss rationally the topics in which you are emotionally invested?

No, I think not.

Actually, my insults of you were and are a direct reflection of the absurdity and naivete of your views. You made a statement implying that being held financially liable for damages equates to actual compensation to victims. Change your tune, and I'll change my observations of you.

Insults do not change minds. Rational discussion does. Prove my ideas wrong, and I will discard them. Insult me or them, and I will understand that you are incapable of doing more than flailing around on the ground like a child.

You deserve insulting simply by your demand that I prove your claim wrong. I don't need to prove your claim wrong, as that is work for me that I didn't sign up for.

Honest questions: Do you honestly get off insisting something that is obviously not true just because it fits your political belief? Do you actually believe the crap you say?

Simple fact: victims are not always compensated just because the courts say someone needs to pay them. And if they are compensated, it's rarely in a timely matter, nor in full.
hero member
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FIAT LIBERTAS RVAT CAELVM
Are you aware of the history between myrkul and I? Probably not. Don't make our fight yours.

And have your insults ever done more than display your inability to discuss rationally the topics in which you are emotionally invested?

No, I think not.

Actually, my insults of you were and are a direct reflection of the absurdity and naivete of your views. You made a statement implying that being held financially liable for damages equates to actual compensation to victims. Change your tune, and I'll change my observations of you.

Insults do not change minds. Rational discussion does. Prove my ideas wrong, and I will discard them. Insult me or them, and I will understand that you are incapable of doing more than flailing around on the ground like a child.
legendary
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Over half of America's budget goes into Social Security and Welfare.

To contrast, 2% is spent on education, another 2% on advances in medicine and science.  Anyone who finds this agreeable is the end result of a nation whose budget for education is 2%, while socialism, warfare and debt interest make up almost the entirety of the rest.

That's quite misleading, as federal government has very little role in funding education, and 2% is too high already, it should be zero. Education is funded by local property tax and state budget.
hero member
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Are you aware of the history between myrkul and I? Probably not. Don't make our fight yours.

And have your insults ever done more than display your inability to discuss rationally the topics in which you are emotionally invested?

No, I think not.

Actually, my insults of you were and are a direct reflection of the absurdity and naivete of your views. You made a statement implying that being held financially liable for damages equates to actual compensation to victims. Change your tune, and I'll change my observations of you.
hero member
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FIAT LIBERTAS RVAT CAELVM
Are you aware of the history between myrkul and I? Probably not. Don't make our fight yours.

And have your insults ever done more than display your inability to discuss rationally the topics in which you are emotionally invested?

No, I think not.
hero member
Activity: 812
Merit: 1000

You're fucking stupid.

You are so ridiculously naive, it's pathetic.

I understand we aren't going to solve the on-going debate between collectivism and individualism in this thread, or push understanding of the difference between society and government.  However, it is enjoyable to debate the details and refine our understanding, until it resorts to this.

To sum it up, we have several fine thinkers in this thread.

And then this one...



Pretty much Smiley

I never understood people that spend more time insulting the person they are responding to than actually progressing the argument.

Perhaps because the stupid person needs to be made aware of the stupidity of his claims and/or statements?

If that's your goal you are doing a poor job. People don't respond well to emotional and personal attacks--it doesn't make them realize they hold stupid beliefs but usually only hardens their position. I know from experience because I used to believe some stupid things. It wasn't ad hominems that changed my mind, it was rational discussion and friendly discourse which prompted further research of my own.

Are you aware of the history between myrkul and I? Probably not. Don't make our fight yours.
newbie
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You're fucking stupid.

You are so ridiculously naive, it's pathetic.

I understand we aren't going to solve the on-going debate between collectivism and individualism in this thread, or push understanding of the difference between society and government.  However, it is enjoyable to debate the details and refine our understanding, until it resorts to this.

To sum it up, we have several fine thinkers in this thread.

And then this one...

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m27z329S401qkp3qu.gif

Pretty much Smiley

I never understood people that spend more time insulting the person they are responding to than actually progressing the argument.

Perhaps because the stupid person needs to be made aware of the stupidity of his claims and/or statements?

If that's your goal you are doing a poor job. People don't respond well to emotional and personal attacks--it doesn't make them realize they hold stupid beliefs but usually only hardens their position. I know from experience because I used to believe some stupid things. It wasn't ad hominems that changed my mind, it was rational discussion and friendly discourse which prompted further research of my own.
hero member
Activity: 812
Merit: 1000

You're fucking stupid.

You are so ridiculously naive, it's pathetic.

I understand we aren't going to solve the on-going debate between collectivism and individualism in this thread, or push understanding of the difference between society and government.  However, it is enjoyable to debate the details and refine our understanding, until it resorts to this.

To sum it up, we have several fine thinkers in this thread.

And then this one...



Pretty much Smiley

I never understood people that spend more time insulting the person they are responding to than actually progressing the argument.

Perhaps because the stupid person needs to be made aware of the stupidity of his claims and/or statements?
sr. member
Activity: 354
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You're fucking stupid.

You are so ridiculously naive, it's pathetic.

I understand we aren't going to solve the on-going debate between collectivism and individualism in this thread, or push understanding of the difference between society and government.  However, it is enjoyable to debate the details and refine our understanding, until it resorts to this.

To sum it up, we have several fine thinkers in this thread.

And then this one...



Pretty much Smiley

I never understood people that spend more time insulting the person they are responding to than actually progressing the argument.
hero member
Activity: 812
Merit: 1000

You're fucking stupid.

You are so ridiculously naive, it's pathetic.

I understand we aren't going to solve the on-going debate between collectivism and individualism in this thread, or push understanding of the difference between society and government.  However, it is enjoyable to debate the details and refine our understanding, until it resorts to this.

It resorts to that because that is what is displayed by the forum participant on the receiving end of those observations. How many libertarian dimwits does it take to argue against one person in opposition to libertarian views, anyway? Clearly, a lot, all apparently victims of groupthink, as well. Such independent thinkers you are - not.
legendary
Activity: 1078
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The whole idea of social security appalls me. The idea that they take some of our money to save it for us. And in reality they just go and dip into those funds to spend at will. It's stupid.

More like your posting is stupid. A lot of people don't save enough, it's hard to know what is enough. SS is not just retirement anyway, I received it until I turned 18. Hopefully it was the money that came out of your check.

So in other words, you receive it, ergo you are in favor of it.

That's great, but, if your only point is to say that he's stupid, I have bad news.  Mostly about pots, and kettles, and the color black.
hero member
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FIAT LIBERTAS RVAT CAELVM
The whole idea of social security appalls me. The idea that they take some of our money to save it for us. And in reality they just go and dip into those funds to spend at will. It's stupid.

More like your posting is stupid. A lot of people don't save enough, it's hard to know what is enough. SS is not just retirement anyway, I received it until I turned 18. Hopefully it was the money that came out of your check.

Would you be so proud had the money to raise you come from muggings?
hero member
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The whole idea of social security appalls me. The idea that they take some of our money to save it for us. And in reality they just go and dip into those funds to spend at will. It's stupid.

More like your posting is stupid. A lot of people don't save enough, it's hard to know what is enough. SS is not just retirement anyway, I received it until I turned 18. Hopefully it was the money that came out of your check.
hero member
Activity: 532
Merit: 500
FIAT LIBERTAS RVAT CAELVM

You're fucking stupid.

You are so ridiculously naive, it's pathetic.

I understand we aren't going to solve the on-going debate between collectivism and individualism in this thread, or push understanding of the difference between society and government.  However, it is enjoyable to debate the details and refine our understanding, until it resorts to this.

To sum it up, we have several fine thinkers in this thread.

And then this one...



If he used that as his avatar, it might be worth taking him off ignore.
legendary
Activity: 1078
Merit: 1003

You're fucking stupid.

You are so ridiculously naive, it's pathetic.

I understand we aren't going to solve the on-going debate between collectivism and individualism in this thread, or push understanding of the difference between society and government.  However, it is enjoyable to debate the details and refine our understanding, until it resorts to this.

To sum it up, we have several fine thinkers in this thread.

And then this one...

hero member
Activity: 532
Merit: 500
FIAT LIBERTAS RVAT CAELVM

You're fucking stupid.

You are so ridiculously naive, it's pathetic.

I understand we aren't going to solve the on-going debate between collectivism and individualism in this thread, or push understanding of the difference between society and government.  However, it is enjoyable to debate the details and refine our understanding, until it resorts to this.

Yeah, he gets frustrated that we don't immediately bow to his wishes, or the "greater societal good," and so proceeds to drop insults, thereby admitting defeat.
full member
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You're fucking stupid.

You are so ridiculously naive, it's pathetic.

I understand we aren't going to solve the on-going debate between collectivism and individualism in this thread, or push understanding of the difference between society and government.  However, it is enjoyable to debate the details and refine our understanding, until it resorts to this.
hero member
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FIAT LIBERTAS RVAT CAELVM
Someone with no money and little income is unlikely to ever come close to paying off hospital bills and compensation for permanent maiming, severed limbs, or 3rd degree burns, etc., even in ten, twenty or fifty years. Meanwhile, the victim needs the money now.

Nor are they going to be able to afford the premiums for a policy that would do so. So all mandating that they must does, is make another class of criminal.
hero member
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WTF???
The whole idea of social security appalls me. The idea that they take some of our money to save it for us. And in reality they just go and dip into those funds to spend at will. It's stupid.

The rest of the thread seems to be going OT.

I agree partially with the OP though, but think of it different. It's not just stupid, it's a Ponzi scheme. The first recipients never paid into it. The younger generations pay for the previous workers. That worked great when we had baby boomers in the work force. Now, the ponzi scheme is collapsing.
legendary
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No, it doesn't. However, having that liability settled does.

No. It doesn't. You can't get blood from a stone. You're fucking stupid.
You're essentially saying that society is the group that must pay in the event of one person's lack of personal responsibility affecting another person.  I disagree.  I say that people should acquire insurance on their own free will that would protect them from the lack of personal responsibility of others.

A great example of this is called "Uninsured Motorist" coverage.

Granted, one could certainly argue that the cost of this insurance would go up quite readily in the absence of a requirement to have motorist insurance, but at least people would have the freedom to choose what risks they want to take in that regard.

Also, bankruptcy is a cop out.  If you owe someone money, you pay it, even if it takes the rest of your life to do so.

Insurance is society paying. Best to make uninsured motorist coverage mandatory if insurance isn't.

You're arguing that people should do this and that, without understanding the true meaning and context of 'should'.
Insurance is society paying BY CHOICE.  Nothing needs to be mandatory.  If a person can't pay their medical bills, they don't get served by the medical community.  They can turn to charity and other help groups if they like, at that point.
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