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Topic: SolidCoin 2 Release - Monday 10th October 23:35 UTC - page 11. (Read 21384 times)

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will there be a pool available at start?

no way I will install this closed source prog.

Pools are available, but you need a working miner software for it, at the moment only the client itself can mine SC2...
legendary
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will there be a pool available at start?

no way I will install this closed source prog.
donator
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Merit: 1351
Creator of Litecoin. Cryptocurrency enthusiast.
CoinHunter, how much was premined? The previous plan was to premine some to transfer to all original SC owners right? In addition to that, were more coins premined?
mrb
legendary
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It depends. If the workload is purely ALU-bound or FPU-bound and there are few instruction interdependencies, then each thread of a HT core should deliver exactly 50% of the performance of a single thread running on it, as they share execution units. IOW HT doesn't help at all increase performance.

However if the workload is memory-bound, if execution units are mostly idle, then each thread of a HT core should deliver about 100% of the performance of a single thread running on it. IOW HT doubles performance.

For real-world workloads, the number falls somewhere in between 50% and 100%. CoinHunter reporting 90% means his mining algorithm is mostly memory-bound.

Real-work workloads gain 10-30% from HT.  That's tested results, not theoretical stuff from whitepapers.
All time absolute record that I have seen is around 40%.

You did not read me correctly. You are talking about a different percentage scale. When I say "50% of 1 thread" it means "0% performance gain from HT". When I say "100% of 1 thread" it means "100% gains".

IOW, you agree with me.
legendary
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฿itcoin: Currency of Resistance!
Rumor is that SC 2.0 is just a small recursion loop inserted into the BTC hash algorithm. If that is true, it should be trivial to make recursion simulation for GPUs. I wouldn't bother mining SC 2.0 on CPUs until we see the algorithm, it would be a waste of electricity.

Unless source is never released...
Then I suppose Solidcoin is dead.  Embarrassed

Why so !? Normal people don't give a dog poop about the source of a software they use. They only care it works or not etc. Maybe he will release the source or maybe he won't. Who cares !? As long as it works then more power to him.

Having the source code is much more than a requirement for any serious/trust-able solution.

Linux = open source = trust-able
Windows = closed source = crap
Bitcoin = open source = trust-able
Solidcoin = mysterious closed source = crap

LOL nice analogy so SolidCoin = Windows and Bitcoin = Linux. You are a genius !

So then Tenebrix = Mac  Grin !?

LOL   Tongue

Steve Jobs just move in the tomb! +_+
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Clock for Clock AMD PHENOMs seem the fastest option currently. However factoring in HyperThreading seems to put it big in intels favour. I haven't researched why yet, but a hyperthreading core gives nearly 90% of a non HT core on my I7-920.

The only way I can explain that is if you were using two HT cores on separate physical cores. Two HT cores running on the same physical core simultaneously, and both delivering 90% of a physical core doesn't appear to make sense.

Can anyone confirm this behavior?

It depends. If the workload is purely ALU-bound or FPU-bound and there are few instruction interdependencies, then each thread of a HT core should deliver exactly 50% of the performance of a single thread running on it, as they share execution units. IOW HT doesn't help at all increase performance.

However if the workload is memory-bound, if execution units are mostly idle, then each thread of a HT core should deliver about 100% of the performance of a single thread running on it. IOW HT doubles performance.

For real-world workloads, the number falls somewhere in between 50% and 100%. CoinHunter reporting 90% means his mining algorithm is mostly memory-bound.

Real-work workloads gain 10-30% from HT.  That's tested results, not theoretical stuff from whitepapers.
All time absolute record that I have seen is around 40%.
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
Rumor is that SC 2.0 is just a small recursion loop inserted into the BTC hash algorithm. If that is true, it should be trivial to make recursion simulation for GPUs. I wouldn't bother mining SC 2.0 on CPUs until we see the algorithm, it would be a waste of electricity.

Unless source is never released...
Then I suppose Solidcoin is dead.  Embarrassed

Why so !? Normal people don't give a dog poop about the source of a software they use. They only care it works or not etc. Maybe he will release the source or maybe he won't. Who cares !? As long as it works then more power to him.

Having the source code is much more than a requirement for any serious/trust-able solution.

Linux = open source = trust-able
Windows = closed source = crap
Bitcoin = open source = trust-able
Solidcoin = mysterious closed source = crap

LOL nice analogy so SolidCoin = Windows and Bitcoin = Linux. You are a genius !

So then Tenebrix = Mac  Grin !?
legendary
Activity: 1204
Merit: 1000
฿itcoin: Currency of Resistance!
Rumor is that SC 2.0 is just a small recursion loop inserted into the BTC hash algorithm. If that is true, it should be trivial to make recursion simulation for GPUs. I wouldn't bother mining SC 2.0 on CPUs until we see the algorithm, it would be a waste of electricity.

Unless source is never released...
Then I suppose Solidcoin is dead.  Embarrassed

Why so !? Normal people don't give a dog poop about the source of a software they use. They only care it works or not etc. Maybe he will release the source or maybe he won't. Who cares !? As long as it works then more power to him.

Having the source code is much more than a requirement for any serious/trust-able solution.

Linux = open source = trust-able
Windows = closed source = crap
Bitcoin = open source = trust-able
Solidcoin = mysterious closed source = crap
legendary
Activity: 1204
Merit: 1000
฿itcoin: Currency of Resistance!
Anyway, any idea when we'll see any white papers or the actual source code, if ever?

Yes, they are both coming. White paper won't be long after or before the release. Source code is dependent upon the trolls. If you have any services you want to use with SolidCoin then give me an email/PM if you need more technical information than is currently provided.

hahahah!

This is a joke... Right!?!?

What you afraid of?! Hein?!!?
hero member
Activity: 717
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I was trying to download the client to prepare.  I was wondering is it the same as the last beta client?  I went to the main page solidcoin.info.  If you click the link to download the client you get nothing?  I then downloaded the last beta and it looks awesome and seems to be awesome.   However, it still seems to use testnet folder and a new block chain.  So when will solidcoin 2.0 final be released?
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
not going to be mining on anything that sets off virus detection on my computer, or anything i can't read the source of. good luck.

Well that is jolly good with me. More coins for me Smiley
member
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not going to be mining on anything that sets off virus detection on my computer, or anything i can't read the source of. good luck.
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
Rumor is that SC 2.0 is just a small recursion loop inserted into the BTC hash algorithm. If that is true, it should be trivial to make recursion simulation for GPUs. I wouldn't bother mining SC 2.0 on CPUs until we see the algorithm, it would be a waste of electricity.

Unless source is never released...
Then I suppose Solidcoin is dead.  Embarrassed

Why so !? Normal people don't give a dog poop about the source of a software they use. They only care it works or not etc. Maybe he will release the source or maybe he won't. Who cares !? As long as it works then more power to him.
legendary
Activity: 1190
Merit: 1000
Rumor is that SC 2.0 is just a small recursion loop inserted into the BTC hash algorithm. If that is true, it should be trivial to make recursion simulation for GPUs. I wouldn't bother mining SC 2.0 on CPUs until we see the algorithm, it would be a waste of electricity.

Unless source is never released...
Then I suppose Solidcoin is dead.  Embarrassed
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
Clock for Clock AMD PHENOMs seem the fastest option currently. However factoring in HyperThreading seems to put it big in intels favour. I haven't researched why yet, but a hyperthreading core gives nearly 90% of a non HT core on my I7-920.

The only way I can explain that is if you were using two HT cores on separate physical cores. Two HT cores running on the same physical core simultaneously, and both delivering 90% of a physical core doesn't appear to make sense.

Can anyone confirm this behavior?

It depends. If the workload is purely ALU-bound or FPU-bound and there are few instruction interdependencies, then each thread of a HT core should deliver exactly 50% of the performance of a single thread running on it, as they share execution units. IOW HT doesn't help at all increase performance.

However if the workload is memory-bound, if execution units are mostly idle, then each thread of a HT core should deliver about 100% of the performance of a single thread running on it. IOW HT doubles performance.

For real-world workloads, the number falls somewhere in between 50% and 100%. CoinHunter reporting 90% means his mining algorithm is mostly memory-bound.

So then scrypt sucks so much on Intels because ... Huh
mrb
legendary
Activity: 1512
Merit: 1028
Clock for Clock AMD PHENOMs seem the fastest option currently. However factoring in HyperThreading seems to put it big in intels favour. I haven't researched why yet, but a hyperthreading core gives nearly 90% of a non HT core on my I7-920.

The only way I can explain that is if you were using two HT cores on separate physical cores. Two HT cores running on the same physical core simultaneously, and both delivering 90% of a physical core doesn't appear to make sense.

Can anyone confirm this behavior?

It depends. If the workload is purely ALU-bound or FPU-bound and there are few instruction interdependencies, then each thread of a HT core should deliver exactly 50% of the performance of a single thread running on it, as they share execution units. IOW HT doesn't help at all increase performance.

However if the workload is memory-bound, if execution units are mostly idle, then each thread of a HT core should deliver about 100% of the performance of a single thread running on it. IOW HT doubles performance.

For real-world workloads, the number falls somewhere in between 50% and 100%. CoinHunter reporting 90% means his mining algorithm is mostly memory-bound.
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
sd.. its just easier to put him on ignore.. that way you dont have to read his crap

I have reported a few of his more hostile posts to a moderator in the hope he and anyone else from his IP gets banned. I don't think many moderators will approve of his racist agenda.

Even with all the nonsense CoinHunter has posted I've never felt the need to report posts or ignore people before that anti-Japanese rant.


Of course I am anti-japanese when they try and scam me. If Nigerians tried and scammed you, would you not be anti-Nigerians etc. !? Where did I write anything racist huh !? Probably made it up in your own head. Manga watching, noodle eating is what Japanese people usually do it's not racist. It's like saying french people are croissant eating which does not make it racist son. Grow up !
sd
hero member
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sd.. its just easier to put him on ignore.. that way you dont have to read his crap

I have reported a few of his more hostile posts to a moderator in the hope he and anyone else from his IP gets banned. I don't think many moderators will approve of his racist agenda.

Even with all the nonsense CoinHunter has posted I've never felt the need to report posts or ignore people before that anti-Japanese rant.
legendary
Activity: 889
Merit: 1000
Bitcoin calls me an Orphan
sd.. its just easier to put him on ignore.. that way you dont have to read his crap
sd
hero member
Activity: 730
Merit: 500
Clock for Clock AMD PHENOMs seem the fastest option currently. However factoring in HyperThreading seems to put it big in intels favour. I haven't researched why yet, but a hyperthreading core gives nearly 90% of a non HT core on my I7-920.

The only way I can explain that is if you were using two HT cores on separate physical cores. Two HT cores running on the same physical core simultaneously, and both delivering 90% of a physical core doesn't appear to make sense.

Can anyone confirm this behavior?


It does make sense you noob. Read about HyperThreading !

If you believe hyperthreading should cause the behavior described above you clearly have no practical or theoretical experience of it.

Go back to your racist rants and paranoid fantasies.
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