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Microcash is a scam. It's possible some people don't know that yet.
Microcash is a scam. It's possible some people don't know that yet.
If so, we can safely say: We did our best, didn´t we?
Topic: SolidCoin 3.0 (aka MicroCash) will have a daily fee for each address you have. (Read 8908 times)
May 14, 2012, 12:05:13 PM
If so, we can safely say: We did our best, didn´t we?
May 13, 2012, 05:11:44 PM
I hope your 100BTC Myan apocalypse vision comes to pass, I stand to gain tremendously if suddenly every other human on the planet stops valuing money. 
Meh, if they don't want money, why would they enforce crazy fees on transactions in the first place? Perhaps it is a dystopian future where the human race catches a virus that causes them to rage against cryptocurrencies.
But yeah, Coinhunter/RealSolid's entire supposition is flawed.
May 13, 2012, 04:51:04 PM
I hope your 100BTC Myan apocalypse vision comes to pass, I stand to gain tremendously if suddenly every other human on the planet stops valuing money.
Meh, if they don't want money, why would they enforce crazy fees on transactions in the first place? May 13, 2012, 02:26:11 PM
With Bitcoin there is no fixed transaction fee, miners can charge whatever they want. So if a miner charges you 100 BTC to send a transaction then you have to pay. Luke-jr is currently doing this with coiledcoin, so it's not a theoretical thing, it's actually happening. Anyone can mine but if you don't have enough power it could take you 5 years to mine a block and not be charged 100 BTC. So if your life savings are less than the transaction fee then it's essentially like losing your life savings if you ever wanted to actually spend them. This isn't true right now in Bitcoin, but it could potentially happen because transaction fees in Bitcoin are not fixed.
If Bitcoin ever moves to the same protocol as MicroCash (which it probably needs to for performance reasons if its successful) then it will have to move to account fees also. Otherwise it could be spammed to death. So comparing two different protocols, they both have advantages and disadvantages. Obviously some people familiar with how Bitcoin works aren't too comfortable with the idea of daily account fees but there's no other alternative if you want to move to the same account protocol that MicroCash uses.
If Bitcoin ever moves to the same protocol as MicroCash (which it probably needs to for performance reasons if its successful) then it will have to move to account fees also. Otherwise it could be spammed to death. So comparing two different protocols, they both have advantages and disadvantages. Obviously some people familiar with how Bitcoin works aren't too comfortable with the idea of daily account fees but there's no other alternative if you want to move to the same account protocol that MicroCash uses.
It is happening in CoiledCoin, but not Bitcoin. Why? While you are technically correct, every miner on the planet could collude and charge 100BTC for every transaction. But since the miners are Bitcoin, you would have to say it is not collusion but a decision to enforce a new rule. Unlikely, but possible.
For the sake of argument, let us say that all of a sudden every transaction fee must be higher than 100BTC. As a result fewer people submit transactions to these miners and the transactions requests with fees under 100BTC begin to pile up. Pretty soon any miner (not in the 100BTC cabal) who finds a block stands to gain tremendously if they processed these rejected transactions. Market forces insure that it is worth someone's while to process transctions. While it is technically possible for the entire human race to suddenly no longer desire money, the Bitcoin protocol did not feel it need a special case to handle this.
I hope your 100BTC Myan apocalypse vision comes to pass, I stand to gain tremendously if suddenly every other human on the planet stops valuing money.
May 13, 2012, 06:47:00 AM
... but it could potentially happen because transaction fees in Bitcoin are not fixed.
That's a terrible argument. ...Starting a syllogism in realis mood does not validate a reasoning by itself.
Plus you don´t reach him neither with your words nor your ideas.
His plan is the ideal currency, ideal in the sense he finds it perfect.
Now you can start to think about what makes him believe a currency is perfect.
His motivations seem obvious to me, to market a rigged currency as a fair currency in order to fool people into using it. Like most people he simply wants to get rich at the expense of everyone else.
I know I can't change him, but I can educate people who are not asking the right questions of him.
Microcash is a scam. It's possible some people don't know that yet.
May 13, 2012, 06:07:01 AM
... but it could potentially happen because transaction fees in Bitcoin are not fixed.
That's a terrible argument. ...Starting a syllogism in realis mood does not validate a reasoning by itself.
Plus you don´t reach him neither with your words nor your ideas.
His plan is the ideal currency, ideal in the sense he finds it perfect.
Now you can start to think about what makes him believe a currency is perfect.
May 13, 2012, 04:27:17 AM
With Bitcoin there is no fixed transaction fee, miners can charge whatever they want. So if a miner charges you 100 BTC to send a transaction then you have to pay. Luke-jr is currently doing this with coiledcoin, so it's not a theoretical thing, it's actually happening. Anyone can mine but if you don't have enough power it could take you 5 years to mine a block and not be charged 100 BTC. So if your life savings are less than the transaction fee then it's essentially like losing your life savings if you ever wanted to actually spend them. This isn't true right now in Bitcoin, but it could potentially happen because transaction fees in Bitcoin are not fixed.
That's a terrible argument. You are advocating communist style price fixing because one individual may try profiteering. As you may have noticed price fixing didn't work in communist Russia or in communist Czechoslovakia. I have no personal experience of any other countries but suspect it doesn't work so well in North Korea either.
If you went to the shop and they tried to charge you two months wages for a loaf of bread would you pay it or walk out and go to another shop? There are very many miners running FPGA based rigs who have very low power bills and that number is growing every day. These rigs will be profitable many years after GPU mining can no longer pay the electricity bills. Each miner will accept whatever transaction fees they can get.
Coinhunter - You don't understand the economics here. The fixed fees per account are wrong-minded.
May 13, 2012, 02:16:00 AM
Kinda looks like a doubling every two years-ish, no?
Yeah, but they're not reaching the stores as fast as they used to... I still can't find any 4TB HD at my usually retailer, and the prices of 3TB HDs are still quite insane.With Bitcoin there is no fixed transaction fee, miners can charge whatever they want. So if a miner charges you 100 BTC to send a transaction then you have to pay. Luke-jr is currently doing this with coiledcoin, so it's not a theoretical thing, it's actually happening. Anyone can mine but if you don't have enough power it could take you 5 years to mine a block and not be charged 100 BTC. So if your life savings are less than the transaction fee then it's essentially like losing your life savings if you ever wanted to actually spend them. This isn't true right now in Bitcoin, but it could potentially happen because transaction fees in Bitcoin are not fixed.
Miners are also users. If they can't use their BTC (can't even withdraw them, actually) because the pools they use has fees far too high, they'll switch to others, obviously... May 13, 2012, 01:32:36 AM
If Bitcoin ever moves to the same protocol as MicroCash (which it probably needs to for performance reasons if its successful) then it will have to move to account fees also. Otherwise it could be spammed to death.
What is it, in your opinion, that is preventing bitcoin from being spammed to death right now? I'd really like to know.
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So comparing two different protocols, they both have advantages and disadvantages. Obviously some people familiar with how Bitcoin works aren't too comfortable with the idea of daily account fees but there's no other alternative if you want to move to the same account protocol that MicroCash uses.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
this must be RS posting now because I've never seen one person use so many fallacious arguments so regularly
May 12, 2012, 11:12:26 PM
Yes and transaction fees aren't evaporating your cryptocurrency savngs in Bitcoin I guess?
That is right. Savings means it's not being transferred, therefore no fees. A wallet from 2009 will have exactly the same number of Bitcoins today and forever.
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So if a miner charges you 100 BTC to send a transaction then you have to pay.
Wrong again. No miner can force a fee on any transaction. If a transaction doesn't meet a miner's fee requirement, then the transaction will simply be mined by someone else.
May 12, 2012, 09:17:08 PM
This guy is clearly being paid minimal wage because he can't spare less a cent a day!
It's a matter of principle. Evaporating cryptocurrency isn't a match for non-evaporating real cash imo. I mean, in a system advertising itself as free from a central authority, having someone removing stuff from your wallet like the government directly debiting taxes from your account, or like e-gold slowing draining accounts when they went rogue, it's fairly discrediting I think...Yes and transaction fees aren't evaporating your cryptocurrency savngs in Bitcoin I guess? Apparently in the future Bitcoin fees are the only way anyone will make money mining. It's something heavily discussed and criticized.
That is right. Transaction fees are not evaporating my cryptocurrency savings in Bitcoin. I have not transferred them, every single satoshi is still in my possession. That is because I am saving them, not spending them.
With Bitcoin there is no fixed transaction fee, miners can charge whatever they want. So if a miner charges you 100 BTC to send a transaction then you have to pay. Luke-jr is currently doing this with coiledcoin, so it's not a theoretical thing, it's actually happening. Anyone can mine but if you don't have enough power it could take you 5 years to mine a block and not be charged 100 BTC. So if your life savings are less than the transaction fee then it's essentially like losing your life savings if you ever wanted to actually spend them. This isn't true right now in Bitcoin, but it could potentially happen because transaction fees in Bitcoin are not fixed.
If Bitcoin ever moves to the same protocol as MicroCash (which it probably needs to for performance reasons if its successful) then it will have to move to account fees also. Otherwise it could be spammed to death. So comparing two different protocols, they both have advantages and disadvantages. Obviously some people familiar with how Bitcoin works aren't too comfortable with the idea of daily account fees but there's no other alternative if you want to move to the same account protocol that MicroCash uses.
May 12, 2012, 08:51:27 PM
This guy is clearly being paid minimal wage because he can't spare less a cent a day!
It's a matter of principle. Evaporating cryptocurrency isn't a match for non-evaporating real cash imo. I mean, in a system advertising itself as free from a central authority, having someone removing stuff from your wallet like the government directly debiting taxes from your account, or like e-gold slowing draining accounts when they went rogue, it's fairly discrediting I think...Yes and transaction fees aren't evaporating your cryptocurrency savngs in Bitcoin I guess? Apparently in the future Bitcoin fees are the only way anyone will make money mining. It's something heavily discussed and criticized.
That is right. Transaction fees are not evaporating my cryptocurrency savings in Bitcoin. I have not transferred them, every single satoshi is still in my possession. That is because I am saving them, not spending them.
May 12, 2012, 08:49:36 PM
This guy is clearly being paid minimal wage because he can't spare less a cent a day!
It's a matter of principle. Evaporating cryptocurrency isn't a match for non-evaporating real cash imo. I mean, in a system advertising itself as free from a central authority, having someone removing stuff from your wallet like the government directly debiting taxes from your account, or like e-gold slowing draining accounts when they went rogue, it's fairly discrediting I think...Yes and transaction fees aren't evaporating your cryptocurrency savngs in Bitcoin I guess? Apparently in the future Bitcoin fees are the only way anyone will make money mining. It's something heavily discussed and criticized.
May 12, 2012, 07:06:18 PM
What? The first 4TB enterprise hard drive was just released. This is more or less where we should be at:
http://zedequalszee.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/hd-vs-year.jpg
We hit 1TB in 2009 and it looks like we'll be at 5+ TB by 2013... Sure looks like exponential growth to me.
From the wiki:
Kinda looks like a doubling every two years-ish, no?
http://zedequalszee.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/hd-vs-year.jpg
We hit 1TB in 2009 and it looks like we'll be at 5+ TB by 2013... Sure looks like exponential growth to me.
From the wiki:
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2007 – First 1 terabyte hard drive[16] (Hitachi GST)
2008 – First 1.5 terabyte hard drive[17] (Seagate)
2009 – First 2.0 terabyte hard drive[18] (Western Digital)
2010 – First 3.0 terabyte hard drive[19][20] (Seagate, Western Digital)
2010 – First Hard Drive Manufactured by using the Advanced Format of 4 KiB a block instead of 512 bytes a block[21]
2011 – First 4.0 terabyte hard drive[22] (Seagate)
2008 – First 1.5 terabyte hard drive[17] (Seagate)
2009 – First 2.0 terabyte hard drive[18] (Western Digital)
2010 – First 3.0 terabyte hard drive[19][20] (Seagate, Western Digital)
2010 – First Hard Drive Manufactured by using the Advanced Format of 4 KiB a block instead of 512 bytes a block[21]
2011 – First 4.0 terabyte hard drive[22] (Seagate)
Kinda looks like a doubling every two years-ish, no?
May 12, 2012, 10:22:49 AM
Yes we are. It will be scalable, both because of Moore's law (transistor density doubling every two year)
BS. Have you seen how HD capacity evolved during the last couple of years? Barely any size increase... Additionally, Moore's law wasn't supposed to go on indefinitely, it just described a prediction of component evolution for a few decades.and because the blockchain can be stored distributed as well if necessary (still completely there and accessible to all, but distributed over multiple peers like a gigantic RAID).
This, on the other hand, sounds much cooler. Still needs to be implemented though, and doesn't seem trivial to me...The complete transaction history is one of the main strengths of Bitcoin, good job removing that in your altcoin 
I don't really think the complete transaction history is a strength. For a currency supposed to be anonymous, I'd rather call it a weakness, and not a minor one. Otherwise, I suppose it's a requirement for the thing to work, at the moment. But getting rid of it (reliably, and after a decently long time) would definitely be a step forward, not backward. May 12, 2012, 09:33:52 AM
Transactions done up to today are only the beginning. Are we really going to drag around 2, 3, 4... years of transactions? WHY?
Yes we are. It will be scalable, both because of Moore's law (transistor density doubling every two year) and because the blockchain can be stored distributed as well if necessary (still completely there and accessible to all, but distributed over multiple peers like a gigantic RAID). The complete transaction history is one of the main strengths of Bitcoin, good job removing that in your altcoin
May 12, 2012, 07:54:42 AM
Transactions done up to today are only the beginning. Are we really going to drag around 2, 3, 4... years of transactions? WHY?
Because my coins are there, and I really want to keep them. I don't want my coins to evaporate because you can't spare a little hard drive space. What sort of crap system do you have? Even my phone can run a Bitcoin client just fine.
I guess "balance" and full "tx history" are two concepts to alien and complicated for you to grasp. LOL
May 10, 2012, 12:43:52 PM
Don't leave your Microcash in an exchange account over night! Trade trade trade or it will disappear!!
Already cashed out the BTC May 10, 2012, 11:04:06 AM
Finally sold all the SC I had left. Try and leech my idle empty wallet now ScamKing 
Don't leave your Microcash in an exchange account over night! Trade trade trade or it will disappear!!
May 10, 2012, 11:01:01 AM
Finally sold all the SC I had left. Try and leech my idle empty wallet now ScamKing
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