Solution to poverty - Socialism or Capitalism?

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Quote from: loulis on October 13, 2014, 12:35:15 PM

Look at Africa to understand the failure of capitalism.

Many African countries are "Communist"... experiencing the very same level of "failure".
The "failure" of Africa starts with the European powers splitting its territory without concern for locals, that's why African countries are so geometrical. Tribes became split, others merged... a mess for locals.
Using the harvest resources argument is way outdated and doesn't vouch for any side, both Capitalist and Communist governments put the hand there.

I would say quite a few African countries are run under the whims of a warlord / dictator / army chief.
Communism / capitalism wouldn't make any difference to them.

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Quote from: boumalo on October 13, 2014, 06:29:41 AM

You haven't lived in USSR or forgot how it was! It was horrible, communist is a failed system where humans pray on other humans

Bad argument! Many people can say that USSR's system was excellent, so it is just your personal opinion and not the fact!
In capitalism people pray on the money! Is it better?! Very doubtful!

To have a prosperous economy you have to follow a few rules : low regulation, price fixed freely by the market...

In USSR people loved their country and this passion led to a lot of good work being done but people didn't enjoy what a prosperous economy can get you : confort, security, ...

It is not a matter of opinion that millions of people were deported, killed or died from hunger, it is history : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1932%E2%80%9333

In a free society with a market based economy people can innovate, create wealth and jobs and improve their lives; you don't have to buy the products of any company, there is no coercion

Quote from: loulis on October 13, 2014, 12:35:15 PM

Look at Africa to understand the failure of capitalism.

A lot of African countries are developing thanks to the market but communist ideas have made them lost a lot of time

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Quote from: loulis on October 13, 2014, 12:35:15 PM

Look at Africa to understand the failure of capitalism.

Many African countries are "Communist"... experiencing the very same level of "failure".
The "failure" of Africa starts with the European powers splitting its territory without concern for locals, that's why African countries are so geometrical. Tribes became split, others merged... a mess for locals.
Using the harvest resources argument is way outdated and doesn't vouch for any side, both Capitalist and Communist governments put the hand there.

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Quote from: giantdragon on October 13, 2014, 07:16:41 PM

Quote from: boumalo on October 13, 2014, 06:29:41 AM

You haven't lived in USSR or forgot how it was! It was horrible, communist is a failed system where humans pray on other humans

Bad argument! Many people can say that USSR's system was excellent, so it is just your personal opinion and not the fact!
In capitalism people pray on the money! Is it better?! Very doubtful!

To have a prosperous economy you have to follow a few rules : low regulation, price fixed freely by the market...

In USSR people loved their country and this passion led to a lot of good work being done but people didn't enjoy what a prosperous economy can get you : confort, security, ...

It is not a matter of opinion that millions of people were deported, killed or died from hunger, it is history : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1932%E2%80%9333

In a free society with a market based economy people can innovate, create wealth and jobs and improve their lives; you don't have to buy the products of any company, there is no coercion

Quote from: loulis on October 13, 2014, 12:35:15 PM

Look at Africa to understand the failure of capitalism.

A lot of African countries are developing thanks to the market but communist ideas have made them lost a lot of time

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Quote from: boumalo on October 13, 2014, 06:29:41 AM

You haven't lived in USSR or forgot how it was! It was horrible, communist is a failed system where humans pray on other humans

Bad argument! Many people can say that USSR's system was excellent, so it is just your personal opinion and not the fact!
In capitalism people pray on the money! Is it better?! Very doubtful!

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Look at Africa to understand the failure of capitalism.

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Quote from: ARadzi on October 13, 2014, 09:47:06 AM

Capitalism and socialism has its own good and bad side. Either way, only government can help to alleviate poverty.

Government interference will only magnify the problems. Look at Africa.

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Im nostalgic those good old days that we sent the dirty capitalists in Siberia for "vacations".

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Capitalism and socialism has its own good and bad side. Either way, only government can help to alleviate poverty.

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The solution to poverty is the comeback of communism.

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The solution to poverty is simplicity. Not capitalism or socialism.

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Quote from: boumalo on October 13, 2014, 06:29:41 AM

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Quote from: loulis on October 12, 2014, 11:11:59 AM

I love communism. It was paradise. The best economic system all time. Everybody was satisfied.

From what planet do you come from?

I guess from ex-USSR or some ally. In fact, many people here regret that communist regimes collapsed.

Who told you that communism collapsed? Communism betrayed by the secret agent of the Americans, Mikhail Gorbachev. Communism was perfect system. Capitalism is sick system.

You haven't lived in USSR or forgot how it was! It was horrible, communist is a failed system where humans pray on other humans

Im not talking about the political part of communism but the economic part. The economics were perfect.

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Quote from: loulis on October 12, 2014, 01:57:52 PM

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Quote from: manselr on October 12, 2014, 11:48:16 AM

Quote from: loulis on October 12, 2014, 11:11:59 AM

I love communism. It was paradise. The best economic system all time. Everybody was satisfied.

From what planet do you come from?

I guess from ex-USSR or some ally. In fact, many people here regret that communist regimes collapsed.

Who told you that communism collapsed? Communism betrayed by the secret agent of the Americans, Mikhail Gorbachev. Communism was perfect system. Capitalism is sick system.

You haven't lived in USSR or forgot how it was! It was horrible, communist is a failed system where humans pray on other humans

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Quote from: giantdragon on October 12, 2014, 01:10:33 PM

Quote from: manselr on October 12, 2014, 11:48:16 AM

Quote from: loulis on October 12, 2014, 11:11:59 AM

I love communism. It was paradise. The best economic system all time. Everybody was satisfied.

From what planet do you come from?

I guess from ex-USSR or some ally. In fact, many people here regret that communist regimes collapsed.

Who told you that communism collapsed? Communism betrayed by the secret agent of the Americans, Mikhail Gorbachev. Communism was perfect system. Capitalism is sick system.

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Quote from: manselr on October 12, 2014, 11:48:16 AM

Quote from: loulis on October 12, 2014, 11:11:59 AM

I love communism. It was paradise. The best economic system all time. Everybody was satisfied.

From what planet do you come from?

I guess from ex-USSR or some ally. In fact, many people here regret that communist regimes collapsed.

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Quote from: loulis on October 12, 2014, 11:11:59 AM

I love communism. It was paradise. The best economic system all time. Everybody was satisfied.

From what planet do you come from?

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I love communism. It was paradise. The best economic system all time. Everybody was satisfied.

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Hey everyone. In today's developed world where we have glasses that can access the internet and robots that can think on their own, it is a shame that there are still people in parts of the world living under 1$ a day.
What can governments do to end poverty in their countries? Is a solution possible under capitalism? Or did Karl Marx had the right idea with his recommendation of a socialist government?

Darvinism, what i believe in, like evolution is clearly saying that poverty cant be get rid off. Its human, so far in the 21st century. no tendensy of changing.

neither socialism or capitalism cant eliminate poverty. Just people in poverty itself can change it by themself (but also not really).

Capitalism eliminates involuntary poverty (see trend of poverty in 1950s America etc).

Socialism imposes involuntary poverty (see trend of poverty and wealth inequality in socialist states).

Wealth proves measure of that degree whereto one withholds excession. "Rich" and "poor" proceed unto that madness within consideration of these "condition."

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Roughly, "Under both systems, both rich and poor aspire to withhold value from others unnecessarily." (Note, most every nuance of the original statement is lost here.)

So under capitalism, poorer economic actors aspire to withhold value from one another? Such as the value of their labour? So if the poor withhold the value of their labour then they seek to be unemployed?

Ok. Then if your statment is true then under free market capitalism unemployment will rise, which it doesn't, so the statment can't be true.

"Poor" seek value, within those frames of econom', so as to maintain it for themselves and withhold it from others (indeed, as those so skillfuly "wealthy").

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Quote from: username18333 on October 07, 2014, 12:19:49 PM

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Quote from: bcmine on October 05, 2014, 06:44:20 AM

Quote from: sana8410 on June 04, 2014, 09:07:53 AM

Hey everyone. In today's developed world where we have glasses that can access the internet and robots that can think on their own, it is a shame that there are still people in parts of the world living under 1$ a day.
What can governments do to end poverty in their countries? Is a solution possible under capitalism? Or did Karl Marx had the right idea with his recommendation of a socialist government?

Darvinism, what i believe in, like evolution is clearly saying that poverty cant be get rid off. Its human, so far in the 21st century. no tendensy of changing.

neither socialism or capitalism cant eliminate poverty. Just people in poverty itself can change it by themself (but also not really).

Capitalism eliminates involuntary poverty (see trend of poverty in 1950s America etc).

Socialism imposes involuntary poverty (see trend of poverty and wealth inequality in socialist states).

Wealth proves measure of that degree whereto one withholds excession. "Rich" and "poor" proceed unto that madness within consideration of these "condition."

Cricket-bat kangaroo swimming pool laptop cheesecake map phone. Ebola zeppelin yeti with a chocolate topping.

Roughly, "Under both systems, both rich and poor aspire to withhold value from others unnecessarily." (Note, most every nuance of the original statement is lost here.)

So under capitalism, poorer economic actors aspire to withhold value from one another? Such as the value of their labour? So if the poor withhold the value of their labour then they seek to be unemployed?

Ok. Then if your statment is true then under free market capitalism unemployment will rise, which it doesn't, so the statment can't be true.

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Quote from: gts476 on October 07, 2014, 11:50:36 AM

Quote from: username18333 on October 06, 2014, 09:02:34 PM

Quote from: gts476 on October 06, 2014, 12:23:51 PM

Quote from: bcmine on October 05, 2014, 06:44:20 AM

Quote from: sana8410 on June 04, 2014, 09:07:53 AM

Hey everyone. In today's developed world where we have glasses that can access the internet and robots that can think on their own, it is a shame that there are still people in parts of the world living under 1$ a day.
What can governments do to end poverty in their countries? Is a solution possible under capitalism? Or did Karl Marx had the right idea with his recommendation of a socialist government?

Darvinism, what i believe in, like evolution is clearly saying that poverty cant be get rid off. Its human, so far in the 21st century. no tendensy of changing.

neither socialism or capitalism cant eliminate poverty. Just people in poverty itself can change it by themself (but also not really).

Capitalism eliminates involuntary poverty (see trend of poverty in 1950s America etc).

Socialism imposes involuntary poverty (see trend of poverty and wealth inequality in socialist states).

Wealth proves measure of that degree whereto one withholds excession. "Rich" and "poor" proceed unto that madness within consideration of these "condition."

Cricket-bat kangaroo swimming pool laptop cheesecake map phone. Ebola zeppelin yeti with a chocolate topping.

Roughly, "Under both systems, both rich and poor aspire to withhold value from others unnecessarily." (Note, most every nuance of the original statement is lost here.)

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