Topic: solution to rubber hose attacks - page 2. (Read 2879 times)
Ok. I slowly get up, and quickly throw my phone at his face. Pass me the d20!
What you need is a few of these.
Failing that, have a foolproof way to secretly call the police while you deal with the gunman. Make sure your floors are all boobytrapped (and your family knows about the booby traps). Have some way that you can be 99% sure that you will never reach that point and you'll probably be fine.
Failing that, have a foolproof way to secretly call the police while you deal with the gunman. Make sure your floors are all boobytrapped (and your family knows about the booby traps). Have some way that you can be 99% sure that you will never reach that point and you'll probably be fine.
Have sex with the gunman, get pregnant and then sue him for child support. You get all your bitcoins back.
Franky I've always respected your opinions and insights on this forum, on most days you are a very valuable community member here. But on this matter I could not possibly disagree more strongly.
I have been there, visited the headquarters. Coinbase.com is legit, they have the foresight to understand that building a solid reputation today will be worth billions tomorrow. They will never gox us, they're smarter than that. They share our vision of a more peaceful world.
Coinbase.com will be around for a long, long time. And they will always have my business, and I will always speak well of them to any who ask for my advice.
I have been there, visited the headquarters. Coinbase.com is legit, they have the foresight to understand that building a solid reputation today will be worth billions tomorrow. They will never gox us, they're smarter than that. They share our vision of a more peaceful world.
Coinbase.com will be around for a long, long time. And they will always have my business, and I will always speak well of them to any who ask for my advice.
people were saying the same speech about mtgox in 2012.. NEVER trust third party solutions with al your wealth for long periods. it may take 10 years, 20 years, it may take a total change over of management before it happens, but never have blind trust in a business.. its your money, you should keep your funds secure
Underground sentry guns...i'm telling you guys...they solve your "home" problems...
Drones. We need drones.
Underground sentry guns...i'm telling you guys...they solve your "home" problems...
As for all the children spinning theories about gunmen and rubber hoses, please grow up and realize most people will never accept the level of risk required to rob people at gunpoint - putting one's life and freedom on the line for a SLIM CHANCE at getting rich?
That kind of insanity is for the desperate only, and these days the desperate don't have access to guns. They're certainly not better equipped than the average police department, and sure as HELL can't compete with the 10,000 heavily-armed soldiers of the NYPD.
Real solution to Rubber Hose attack? Coinbase.com
coinbase is just another mtgox... no one can guarantee which day the CEO will finally snap and get greedy.
I have been there, visited the headquarters. Coinbase.com is legit, they have the foresight to understand that building a solid reputation today will be worth billions tomorrow. They will never gox us, they're smarter than that. They share our vision of a more peaceful world.
Coinbase.com will be around for a long, long time. And they will always have my business, and I will always speak well of them to any who ask for my advice.
As for all the children spinning theories about gunmen and rubber hoses, please grow up and realize most people will never accept the level of risk required to rob people at gunpoint - putting one's life and freedom on the line for a SLIM CHANCE at getting rich?
That kind of insanity is for the desperate only, and these days the desperate don't have access to guns. They're certainly not better equipped than the average police department, and sure as HELL can't compete with the 10,000 heavily-armed soldiers of the NYPD.
Yes that's the problem this solves
no matter what excuse you say. expect pain
no matter if you have it in multisig. expect pain
no matter if you have it on a secure exchange/cloud wallet. expect pain
no matter if you have it as a brain wallet. expect pain
no matter if you have it in a banks safety deposit box. expect pain.
no matter where you have it or how its stored, anyone that knows your a bitcoiner, and obviously knows you had X coins to be worthy of travelling to you, to risk jail time, wont skip gracefully away purely because you say you dont have access.
they are your coins. you wont lose access, you would just secure them. so expect pain until you relinquish your security.
no bitcoin security technology can prevent a psychopath from slapping you with a rubber hose until you give in
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no bitcoin security technology can prevent a psychopath from slapping you with a rubber hose until you give in
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Exactly.
That's why you make it impossible for yourself to give in by
transferring the coins to the safe deposit box.
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Back on topic, though: there's no foolproof solution to a rubber hose attack, but a safe deposit box at a bank would be a good start. If possible, instruct the bank that (except in the event of your death) only you, unaccompanied, are permitted to access the box. This would mean that your attacker would have to leave you alone in the bank, giving you an opportunity to alert the police, or escape him completely.
Exactly.
Very hard for a thief to get at your coins when they are in a safe deposit box.
The only problem with that is that you are now depending on getting into
that box yourself , which although unlikely, could theoertically become a problem,
and also would be impossible to access if say, you were overseas, and wanted to get
some coins.
My idea is that you have the portability of the brain wallet but you can
instantly transfer that wealth to the safe deposit box at the push of
a button.
I'm a little bit surprised that no one so far thinks this is clever, or
at least useful.
In the future, say, 20-30 years when household robots are common
place, you could have your robot move the funds using a secret
passphrase if you were ever attacked.
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Get your filthy fiat off me you damn dirty state.
If someone is threatening you physical harm it is almost always advisable to do as they say (at least when it appears plausible that they could actually inflict such harm)
Actually, if someone is threatening you with physical harm, I advise to aim for the head. I live in Texas though. Here most people know better than to threaten someone. Too bad more of the world isn't like it is here. 
The type of people that break into houses while the homeowners are still there, are more worried about big screen TV's and prescription pills. These are not intelligent people, mainly the type that do crack/meth on a regular basis and have been in and out of jail their whole life. I do not think they care about bitcoin or even know what it is.
If he knows how to use blockchain.info he is probably from this forum, which means he is probs non violent.
give him some food and fresh set of clothes and send him on his way.
In all seriousness.. What you said is basically spot on. I'm sure people will say oh i'll do this or i'll do that... but at the end of the day... you cant do shit.
you forgot password ? bam kid #1 dead... still forgot ya password ?
give him some food and fresh set of clothes and send him on his way.
In all seriousness.. What you said is basically spot on. I'm sure people will say oh i'll do this or i'll do that... but at the end of the day... you cant do shit.
you forgot password ? bam kid #1 dead... still forgot ya password ?
What if the gunman opens blockchain.info searches your address and sees what you've just done?
How would you explain that to your kids, which will probably be killed by then?
How would you explain that to your kids, which will probably be killed by then?
even the US marshals publicly selling drug money this year are showing their greed instead of destroying assets.
Bitcoins aren't illegal, and they are valuable. Just like seized cash, houses, and cars that were used in crime, there is no good reason to destroy them when they can keep or sell them. It would be incredibly wasteful, even for a gov't, to do so. They're not showing greed, they're showing a bit of common sense.
i understand that part. but that produces the greed that they can earn money not from finding rapists, but by raiding houses for assets....
.. see the future snowball effect that began decades ago rape conviction rate under 5% due to lack of evidence (even with sperm samples found).. financial crimes high percentage, even without video evidence that human being was at the physical computer attached to the web service, where the human does not sell drugs personally. just offers an ebay platform.
(kinda weird im even saying that as i hate drug dealers and morally low people)
but governments are more interested in money then actual crimes that have actual victims who suffer actual pain
What if the gunman opens blockchain.info searches your address and sees what you've just done?
How would you explain that to your kids, which will probably be killed by then?
How would you explain that to your kids, which will probably be killed by then?
even the US marshals publicly selling drug money this year are showing their greed instead of destroying assets.
Bitcoins aren't illegal, and they are valuable. Just like seized cash, houses, and cars that were used in crime, there is no good reason to destroy them when they can keep or sell them. It would be incredibly wasteful, even for a gov't, to do so. They're not showing greed, they're showing a bit of common sense.
Back on topic, though: there's no foolproof solution to a rubber hose attack, but a safe deposit box at a bank would be a good start. If possible, instruct the bank that (except in the event of your death) only you, unaccompanied, are permitted to access the box. This would mean that your attacker would have to leave you alone in the bank, giving you an opportunity to alert the police, or escape him completely.
Real solution to Rubber Hose attack? Coinbase.com
coinbase is just another mtgox... no one can guarantee which day the CEO will finally snap and get greedy.
it took institutional banks in cypus not many decades to become greedy.
governments were always greedy.
even the US marshals publicly selling drug money this year are showing their greed instead of destroying assets.
no technology can prevent greed. and no technology can stop a human from grabbing a hammer to get what they want.
take the music industry. nothing can stop the human element from trying to get free music..
If someone is willing to risk jailtime to get your bitcoins, then that guy must really need it! I'd say, just give it to him. No need to deny someone, who need it so badly, the access to your coins.
It's true, the simplest thing to do would be hand over control of the coins (if even possible - it really shouldn't be in your home), and immediately call the cops. Also go public with what happened to the Bitcoin community.You'd have your coins back within a few days, I suspect. Remember, Bitcoin has a lot of white hat hackers watching out for theft and making sure thieves don't get away with it. They do this because it strengthens Bitcoin.
Real solution to Rubber Hose attack? Coinbase.com
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