Topic: solution to rubber hose attacks - page 3. (Read 2879 times)
Or just give him your bitcoins and survive the encounter. I would not want to anger someone who has broken into my home. Depends on whether you value money or your life more.
Your logic does not compute. New York is the toughest city, and I am the toughest guy in it. I therefore win this infantile e-toughness battle. Now grow the hell up and discuss something worthwhile.
Oh sorry, i didint mean to insult. I didint even dream you'r fron New Your...if i knew i'd just shut up andwrite something more serious about this topic...like few posts abowe....jeez...
If someone is willing to risk jailtime to get your bitcoins, then that guy must really need it! I'd say, just give it to him. No need to deny someone, who need it so badly, the access to your coins.
thoughts?
The whole gunman breaking into your house thing is absurd. How does gunman know which house to break in? This scenario sounds like fear-mongering pro-gun fiction. If you have any real wealth stored in a paper wallet it belongs in a safety deposit box anyway, not in your home. They are very affordable.
True, they wouldnt know you had coins
necessarily but they might... didnt you
say you threw bitcoin parties? Now
people know you have coins.
What if your coins are in a brain wallet?
Aren't yours?
What about those "outside" your city that are even tougher?
thoughts?
The whole gunman breaking into your house thing is absurd. How does gunman know which house to break in? This scenario sounds like fear-mongering pro-gun fiction. If you have any real wealth stored in a paper wallet it belongs in a safety deposit box anyway, not in your home. They are very affordable.
True, they wouldnt know you had coins
necessarily but they might... didnt you
say you threw bitcoin parties? Now
people know you have coins.
What if your coins are in a brain wallet?
Aren't yours?
What about those "outside" your city that are even tougher? You do realize that for every "tough" guy, there is someone "tougher"? Playing it on "i'm tough" get's you fucked up sooner or later.
thoughts?
The whole gunman breaking into your house thing is absurd. How does gunman know which house to break in? This scenario sounds like fear-mongering pro-gun fiction. If you have any real wealth stored in a paper wallet it belongs in a safety deposit box anyway, not in your home. They are very affordable.
True, they wouldnt know you had coins
necessarily but they might... didnt you
say you threw bitcoin parties? Now
people know you have coins.
What if your coins are in a brain wallet?
Aren't yours?
Anyway I was smart enough to move 95% of my BTC out of the brain wallet and into 3 safety deposit boxes of 3 of my most trusted loved ones. Or maybe I'm lying. Guess you'll never know till you make the suicidal journey to my house!
I have much better solution than OP.
You buy / build one of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxBa5bQfTGc#t=87
You make it so it's un front / back of your house (ok maybe you need 2 of those) and make it so it's underground / cowered with fake grass. Once burglar comes in and asks for your keys / fiat / gold / whatever, you act like you'r sacred as hell ( and probably you are because of that gun he's holding in his hand) and let him take whatever he wants. Than once he leaves you press "panic" button, and turrets activate. Cameras wait for burgler to come to middle of the ground betwean "fence" and house, than turret pops out and shoots motherfucker with something more than paintball balls. Dont use something that could kill human beaing, just criple him and/or disable. Than you get out of your house with baseball bat and finish the job, returning your belongings and give some payback too.
You buy / build one of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxBa5bQfTGc#t=87
You make it so it's un front / back of your house (ok maybe you need 2 of those) and make it so it's underground / cowered with fake grass. Once burglar comes in and asks for your keys / fiat / gold / whatever, you act like you'r sacred as hell ( and probably you are because of that gun he's holding in his hand) and let him take whatever he wants. Than once he leaves you press "panic" button, and turrets activate. Cameras wait for burgler to come to middle of the ground betwean "fence" and house, than turret pops out and shoots motherfucker with something more than paintball balls. Dont use something that could kill human beaing, just criple him and/or disable. Than you get out of your house with baseball bat and finish the job, returning your belongings and give some payback too.
So, you've got all your precious Bitcoins locked up
in cold storage... you've take all technical procautions...
but then a gunman breaks into your house and says
he's gonna shoot you in the face unless you turn
over your private keys.
You could try to thwart this by preparing a decoy wallet
or two, but do you trust yourself not to buckle under
the pressure?
My solution:
You have a transaction already loaded which sends most
of your cold storage funds off to another secret wallet
which you have the keys to in a safe deposit box.
When the gunman breaks in, you hit a button, and
boom, the transaction is broadcast, you no longer
have your coins there.
Or, if you are caught off guard, you say, sure you
can have my coins, let me login... you "login"
or access a secret URL, and it whisks away
your coins to saftey while giving a decoy address...
If under pressure later, you can reveal the other
address, but now its too late, the coins are gone.
thoughts?
in cold storage... you've take all technical procautions...
but then a gunman breaks into your house and says
he's gonna shoot you in the face unless you turn
over your private keys.
You could try to thwart this by preparing a decoy wallet
or two, but do you trust yourself not to buckle under
the pressure?
My solution:
You have a transaction already loaded which sends most
of your cold storage funds off to another secret wallet
which you have the keys to in a safe deposit box.
When the gunman breaks in, you hit a button, and
boom, the transaction is broadcast, you no longer
have your coins there.
Or, if you are caught off guard, you say, sure you
can have my coins, let me login... you "login"
or access a secret URL, and it whisks away
your coins to saftey while giving a decoy address...
If under pressure later, you can reveal the other
address, but now its too late, the coins are gone.
thoughts?
The first ios Bitcoin wallet app (called BitPak, with a k) had that feature years ago. It also downloaded the entire blockchain to your phone.
But yes, your idea is a good one and is worth repeating to wallet devs.
Yes that's the problem this solves
no matter what excuse you say. expect pain
no matter if you have it in multisig. expect pain
no matter if you have it on a secure exchange/cloud wallet. expect pain
no matter if you have it as a brain wallet. expect pain
no matter if you have it in a banks safety deposit box. expect pain.
no matter where you have it or how its stored, anyone that knows your a bitcoiner, and obviously knows you had X coins to be worthy of travelling to you, to risk jail time, wont skip gracefully away purely because you say you dont have access.
they are your coins. you wont lose access, you would just secure them. so expect pain until you relinquish your security.
no bitcoin security technology can prevent a psychopath from slapping you with a rubber hose until you give in
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Yes that's the problem this solves
So, you've got all your precious Bitcoins locked up
in cold storage... you've take all technical procautions...
but then a gunman breaks into your house and says
he's gonna shoot you in the face unless you turn
over your private keys.
You could try to thwart this by preparing a decoy wallet
or two, but do you trust yourself not to buckle under
the pressure?
My solution:
You have a transaction already loaded which sends most
of your cold storage funds off to another secret wallet
which you have the keys to in a safe deposit box.
When the gunman breaks in, you hit a button, and
boom, the transaction is broadcast, you no longer
have your coins there.
Or, if you are caught off guard, you say, sure you
can have my coins, let me login... you "login"
or access a secret URL, and it whisks away
your coins to saftey while giving a decoy address...
If under pressure later, you can reveal the other
address, but now its too late, the coins are gone.
thoughts?
in cold storage... you've take all technical procautions...
but then a gunman breaks into your house and says
he's gonna shoot you in the face unless you turn
over your private keys.
You could try to thwart this by preparing a decoy wallet
or two, but do you trust yourself not to buckle under
the pressure?
My solution:
You have a transaction already loaded which sends most
of your cold storage funds off to another secret wallet
which you have the keys to in a safe deposit box.
When the gunman breaks in, you hit a button, and
boom, the transaction is broadcast, you no longer
have your coins there.
Or, if you are caught off guard, you say, sure you
can have my coins, let me login... you "login"
or access a secret URL, and it whisks away
your coins to saftey while giving a decoy address...
If under pressure later, you can reveal the other
address, but now its too late, the coins are gone.
thoughts?
So the gunman will kidnap you and torture you, until you send your bitcoin to their address
sounds almost like Plausible deniability in that case the plausible is the small amount sent automatically from your "smart safe" 
yes, just sounds.
sounds almost like Plausible deniability in that case the plausible is the small amount sent automatically from your "smart safe"
I don't exactly advertise the fact that I have bitcoins. People that flash their wealth around are generally the ones targeted for something like this.
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Put sharks with frickin' laser beams in your moat.
And hold your pinky to your mouth and do an evil laugh
It's a thought exercise people, stop giving this guy so much flak!
Not many people trust this, but PVC pipe makes a hell of an impact weapon. It's light, solid, and easy to wield in enclosed spaces such as your entryway. Now the booger has a gun, right? I'll be taking that gun and raising the ante by knotting up his head just as fast as rabbits can breed. And that is truly very fast, folks. So, once the booger has been rabbit thrashed, I'll make a deal with him. I call the cops and make his soon to be nickname at the jailhouse official (Rabbit Punch), or a Ill decline and auction his weapon off for a small BTC fee plus any damage occurring during the incident. Sounds fair enough to my emotional pain and suffering.
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Well you can explain it's in a multisig wallet, 2 of 3 and you literally can't give him any coins.
That's the solution that's been proposed before. Yet with multisig you lose your
own flexibility , so this is kind of best of both worlds by instantly converting
Your brain wallet to multi sig or other off site storage.
That's the solution that's been proposed before. Yet with multisig you lose your
own flexibility , so this is kind of best of both worlds by instantly converting
Your brain wallet to multi sig or other off site storage.
mmmm cranberry juice....
I don't think you got my vision...
they wouldn't know you sent the
coins to anyone else... all they
would see is a DIFFERENT account
with a small amount of coins.
Never mind... if you don't understand
or dont get it i dont have time to explain
it to you, sorry
Just remember, when people start
talking about people getting tortured
for their private keys, you can say
good ol Jonald Fyookball had a solution.
if someone is coming to your house
1. they know you have more then satoshi dust
2. they done enough research to find you
3. if all you give them is the dust, they know your stock pile is somewhere else and that your not dumb enough to send it to a stranger..
so 4.
expect more pain.
5. even if you say the address you sent it to was someone else. you will have more repeats of (4)
the only solution is to not be so public about your riches, especially about where you live.. as the guy that just broke into your house wont walk away singing a merry tune unless he gets ALL that he came for..
If you're really worried about this scenario why don't you just keep your cold storage in a safety deposit box?
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