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legendary
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January 24, 2018, 03:19:51 PM
#24
Being on that list is a ticket to hide any member's signature
Exactly! And therefore that would stop incentivizing spammers to spam

"No one can know you or Grievance against your decision"
To be discussed. The system could show who marked the user as spammer. And there could be an option for others to unmark him if they disagree or if the post quality improved.

Then there could be a formula to decide whether or not to remove the signature rights, just like users can have an overall positive trust if someone trusted left them negative feedback and several others left positive trust later.

At least 6 DT2 members or 3 DT1 members are needed, in order for a user to lose the ability to wear a signature (this way it will be less prone to abuse)
6 and 3 sound too much to me to be honest. But there should be a method to prevent non-spammers to be affected because a single DT user didn't like his post, either by initially requiring more than one tag or by allowing others to untag, as stated above.
legendary
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January 24, 2018, 03:14:29 PM
#23
    I would love to hear some suggestions on how to make this fair for everyone.
    1. Give negative ratings to spammers (for at least a month)
    2. Upon reviewing their newly created posts (after a month):
       a. If they improve, a neutral should be given.
       b. If there's no significant improvement, then the rating should stay permanently (if someone doesn't take the second chance that will be given to them (in order to improve), they certainly don't deserve to be allowed to post or rather earn through posting).

    I have also seen some suggestions that sounded good like drop a red for a week and if they clean it up remove the red and leave a neutral.
    Can you clarify the highlighted part? Is it what "LoyceV have said earlier" or you meant to give them a chance (after giving the negative rating for a week) and review their posts (after a week) and if they had a significant improvement, then a neutral is given? If it's the latter, then a week is too soon. A period of a month should be mandatory (majority won't improve significantly in a single week).

    Maybe I was wrong to add people to fight spam?
    No, you were not. This should've been done a year ago.

    • On every profile, besides Trust, there's an option to mark user as spammer
    • This instantly makes that user's signature invisible for the user who marked him, or add him into the ignore list, to be decided
    • If the user who marked him is on DT1 or DT2; staff; or any other list to be decided, then the marked user losses the right to wear a signature. This way, it's not up to signature managers to allow them into a campaign or not. The forum would disable the signature for him
    Best idea so far. I'd like to modify it a bit:

    At least 6 DT2 members or 3 DT1 members are needed, in order for a user to lose the ability to wear a signature (this way it will be less prone to abuse).[/list]
    legendary
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    January 24, 2018, 03:10:38 PM
    #22
    Some ideas :
    1. Lock most of thread with lots of replies (20 pages or more).
    2. Auto-lock thread after few months (between 2-6 months) of no reply.
    3. Show percentage of deleted users posts because spam, off-topic or other offense.
    4. Force all signature campaign to use SMAS (expect if they only count posts on Local or other section with low view count).
    legendary
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    January 24, 2018, 03:14:11 PM
    #22
    Another idea which could work, something like merging the SMAS list into the trust system:

    • On every profile, besides Trust, there's an option to mark user as spammer
    • This instantly makes that user's signature invisible for the user who marked him, or add him into the ignore list, to be decided
    • If the user who marked him is on DT1 or DT2; staff; or any other list to be decided, then the marked user losses the right to wear a signature. This way, it's not up to signature managers to allow them into a campaign or not. The forum would disable the signature for him


    Some details should be discussed, but that would be the idea.
    An unjust solution.
    Being on that list is a ticket to hide any member's signature(mark user as a spammer is a check mark "No one can know you or Grievance against your decision").
    staff
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    January 24, 2018, 03:05:03 PM
    #21
    Another idea which could work, something like merging the SMAS list into the trust system:

    • On every profile, besides Trust, there's an option to mark user as spammer
    • This instantly makes that user's signature invisible for the user who marked him, or add him into the ignore list, to be decided
    • If the user who marked him is on DT1 or DT2; staff; or any other list to be decided, then the marked user losses the right to wear a signature. This way, it's not up to signature managers to allow them into a campaign or not. The forum would disable the signature for him


    Some details should be discussed, but that would be the idea.

    Quite like the sound of this system. Something which is separate from the trust system is needed to deal with the spammers currently. Campaign managers would still decide who they let in, but this would likely filter out the majority of poor posters. Possibly put this forward to theymos and see what sort of input he has too it.

    It'll probably need some tweaks, and determining the list would be tricky as I believe it should be completely separate from the trust system. Staff would probably be the best to be put on this list, but they are struggling with the workload of their moderating jobs so probably wouldn't have time to add users to this list.

    copper member
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    January 24, 2018, 03:04:18 PM
    #20
    The only solution is to limit each thread topic in Bitcoin Discussion up to 24 hours only (forum standard time), Because even if the topic is relevant/necessary the majority of it to be spammed is up to 100%.

    The Orange tag will only indicate that you are a shitposter you're still labeled, and a lot of color tag will only confused the new member of this forum and it will be laborious, However if it will be implemented who cares?. The solution with the tagging is a sign petition in Meta 1 to 2 month review for doing something unnecessary in the eye of the DT.

    copper member
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    January 24, 2018, 02:53:05 PM
    #19
    Another idea which could work, something like merging the SMAS list into the trust system:
    • On every profile, besides Trust, there's an option to mark user as spammer
    • If the user who marked him is on DT1 or DT2; staff; or any other list to be decided, then the marked user losses the right to wear a signature. This way, it's not up to signature managers to allow them into a campaign or not. The forum would disable the signature for him

    I like this. A lot.
    The limitation of SMAS right now is that it doesnt have a full impact.
    People who get blacklisted can search campaigns that dont enforce SMAS rules and continue their habits there.

    If the forum would get on board with an approach like this, the impact would be magnitudes higher.
    legendary
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    January 24, 2018, 02:45:56 PM
    #18
    With what goal? Giving campaigns the choice to accept spammers but not scammers? That doesn't make sense, neither one should be given any incentive to post.
    The idea would be that campaign managers don't allow either. The distinction would be for dealers who know yellow (orange or whatever) is not related to trading trust.
    If this will be enforced on all campaigns (including "Bounties"), I totally agree this is a very good solution. Your other idea to disable signatures from anyone with a DT-spammer-tag instantly takes care of this.


    Giving a "spammer" tag is not going to help. People running the campaigns will just add naturally the rule "No red trust + No orange trust"
    Then what? People will continue to complain because they now have a spammer tag which gives the same result of the red trust for their activity here.
    True, they'll still complain, but a spammer-tag fits better than using a scammer-tag for a different purpose.
    legendary
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    January 24, 2018, 02:37:34 PM
    #17
    ...If the user who marked him is on DT1 or DT2; staff; or any other list to be decided, then the marked user losses the right to wear a signature. This way, it's not up to signature managers to allow them into a campaign or not. The forum would disable the signature for him...
    ...
    Some details should be discussed, but that would be the idea.
    But, but! *insert complain from a shitposter*: The DT1/2 members can't participate in a signature campaign themselves, or it is obvious abuse!! Roll Eyes

    This is the kind of bullshit that that suggestion will receive, although I like the idea (something similar was proposed via bans a long time ago).
    copper member
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    January 24, 2018, 02:36:38 PM
    #16
    Most of the recent complaints are not really about the red trust itself, but because they can't now participate in any signature campaigns.
    Giving a "spammer" tag is not going to help. People running the campaigns will just add naturally the rule "No red trust + No orange trust"
    Then what? People will continue to complain because they now have a spammer tag which gives the same result of the red trust for their activity here.

    Blazed wants to "be fair to everyone", it's of course ok. Do you think it's fair for us to read tons of garbages, reading 15 pages of topics to see there are only 5 good posts in? Why the forum should be fair to people who contaminate the forum. Ok for the members with broken English it's maybe rude to give them a red trust, (maybe a warning and asking to improve their English can be enough) But oh man, all the posts that give nothing more than frustration to the reader, re-using arguments that have been posted 20 times in the same topics, the people who open a thread with the sole purpose to give the opportunity to others (and their alt accounts) to post generic replies

    What about closing the topics of the managers who don't care about the posts quality of their participants, to give them a warning/red trust/whatever
    legendary
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    January 24, 2018, 02:34:33 PM
    #15
    Another idea which could work, something like merging the SMAS list into the trust system:

    • On every profile, besides Trust, there's an option to mark user as spammer
    • This instantly makes that user's signature invisible for the user who marked him, or add him into the ignore list, to be decided
    • If the user who marked him is on DT1 or DT2; staff; or any other list to be decided, then the marked user losses the right to wear a signature. This way, it's not up to signature managers to allow them into a campaign or not. The forum would disable the signature for him


    Some details should be discussed, but that would be the idea.
    legendary
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    January 24, 2018, 02:26:16 PM
    #14
    New negative trust color:
    Red color :  Scammers
    Yellow color : Spammers

    I really like this idea (besides that yellow color). We would need Theymos to add something like this, but it would probably do the trick. I agree using "Trust" is not ideal, but its the only tool we regular users have.
    legendary
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    January 24, 2018, 02:23:47 PM
    #13
    1. First we need to define what is spam like what types of posts will be considered as spam. A proper guideline will help many people to improve themselves.
    No.

    2. Mega threads should be locked for not giving room to spammers.
    Trashed*.

    3. Most sig. campaigns enforce minimum post limits. This enforces people to write even they do not have enough points to write.
    No.

    New negative trust color:
    Red color :  Scammers Yellow color : Spammers
    That seems like a rather *simple* change, that might just be effective enough. I'd be interested in hearing what others think about it.
    Lets go one step further, don't call it trust, thats a marketplace thing. I dont necessarily distrust spammers, they are an annoyance.
    Add a second way to rate users, call it post score (or something similar), the system itself could even work the same way the trust system works (with only minor adjustments).
    Might even add options to hide the post scores completely, if you do not care about that sort of governance/moderation.
    While your suggestion is more advanced, and thus likely to be more useful, you are forgetting the simplicity of implementation. Adding another option to the current trust system should not be *too hard*. Implementing a whole separate system is, and I doubt theymos is going to do it given how little time he spends on this forum as is.

    -snip-
    Horrible suggestion. Put that back into the garbage bin.
    legendary
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    January 24, 2018, 02:17:46 PM
    #12
    Blazed, I really don't think we must use the Trust system to stop spammers, unless that system is changed.

    New negative trust color:
    Red color :  Scammers
    Yellow color : Spammers
    I like this idea, just definitely not yellow but another easy-to-read color.
    I hope theymos writes his thoughts about this.

    With what goal? Giving campaigns the choice to accept spammers but not scammers? That doesn't make sense, neither one should be given any incentive to post.
    The idea would be that campaign managers don't allow either. The distinction would be for dealers who know yellow (orange or whatever) is not related to trading trust.



    Other options would be to improve the SMAS list and ask (force?) campaign managers to use it; and other ideas discussed here, but not with the current Trust system.

    Scammers and spammers should be kept in 2 different groups.
    hero member
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    January 24, 2018, 02:15:23 PM
    #11

    Right now as it stands we have 3 colors to choose from when leaving Feedback.    Red:Meant For Scammers   Black Bold: Meant for a positive transaction/Sale/Service  Black: Neutral Feedback Meant for an OK transaction or a Watch out not what was agreed upon.

    We should have

    Red: Scammers/thieves   Red gives you a sense of Danger stay away. It's to be Expected of Scammers and thieves.

    Orange: Based on suspicion. Could be used for Acct. Farmers/Sales Acts that may show Scamming activity.

    Brown: A shitty Color. Could be used for Spammers or Shitposters.

    Black Bold: A Good transaction sale/buy.  The way it was meant to be.

    Black: Neutral an ok transaction or could have been better. Just a heads up for the next person.

    Green:  For DT Members only. Based upon their Work on the forum and outing scammers/shit posters/Acct farmers.

    Green DT should be reviewed and appointed or demoted By the Admins Only.

    What do you think?  Just an Idea.
    [/quote]


    I suggested this. Dunno if anyone agrees or not.
    copper member
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    January 24, 2018, 01:43:44 PM
    #10
    Add a second way to rate users, call it post score (or something similar), the system itself could even work the same way the trust system works (with only minor adjustments).
    Might even add options to hide the post scores completely, if you do not care about that sort of governance/moderation.
    Considering the number of accounts some people have, I expect this to be abused to silence people. I wouldn't mind a simple + or - to click at each post though (idea taken from Vod, who owes me a +1), maybe with extra weight for topic starters.
    The same could be said for the trust system.
    Establish some rules about what ratings influence a post score by what factor,
    in the most blunt way, create a DefaultRating account and do the whole DT stuff once again.

    (I'm sure people could come up with a better idea how to handle this, just a simplified example.)
    legendary
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    January 24, 2018, 01:40:13 PM
    #9
    My goal when adding people to the Default Trust network was to help clean up the garbage posting on this forum.
    Thanks for stepping up, I can't deny it made me smile a bit seeing so many accounts with zero post quality suddenly complain about a trust rating they received months ago.

    As for newbies I like to suggest to give them a little bit freedom, like it's okay if they reply on threads with just a short message
    The length of a post has nothing to do with it's quality and relevance.

    New negative trust color:
    Red color :  Scammers
    Yellow color : Spammers
    With what goal? Giving campaigns the choice to accept spammers but not scammers? That doesn't make sense, neither one should be given any incentive to post.


    1. First we need to define what is spam like what types of posts will be considered as spam. A proper guideline will help many people to improve themselves.
    Do you really think spammers would read them? Signature Campaign Guidelines (read this before starting or joining a campaign) (by hilariousandco) give a good indication of what is expected.

    3. Most sig. campaigns enforce minimum post limits. This enforces people to write even they do not have enough points to write.
    If something can be said in 5 words, it shouldn't be extended into 20. It's okay not to get paid for all posts.


    Add a second way to rate users, call it post score (or something similar), the system itself could even work the same way the trust system works (with only minor adjustments).
    Might even add options to hide the post scores completely, if you do not care about that sort of governance/moderation.
    Considering the number of accounts some people have, I expect this to be abused to silence people. I wouldn't mind a simple + or - to click at each post though (idea taken from Vod, who owes me a +1), maybe with extra weight for topic starters.
    copper member
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    January 24, 2018, 01:16:17 PM
    #8
    New negative trust color:
    Red color :  Scammers Yellow color : Spammers
    That seems like a rather *simple* change, that might just be effective enough. I'd be interested in hearing what others think about it.
    Lets go one step further, don't call it trust, thats a marketplace thing. I dont necessarily distrust spammers, they are an annoyance.
    Add a second way to rate users, call it post score (or something similar), the system itself could even work the same way the trust system works (with only minor adjustments).
    Might even add options to hide the post scores completely, if you do not care about that sort of governance/moderation.
    jr. member
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    January 24, 2018, 01:09:41 PM
    #7
    In my humble opinion, lots of aspects need to be addressed to prevent spam here.

    1. First we need to define what is spam like what types of posts will be considered as spam. A proper guideline will help many people to improve themselves.

    2. Mega threads should be locked for not giving room to spammers.

    3. Most sig. campaigns enforce minimum post limits. This enforces people to write even they do not have enough points to write.

    The punishment for spammers should be similar to
    First offence: 7 days
    Second offence: 14 days
    Third offence: 30 days
    Fourth: Permanent ban
    legendary
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    January 24, 2018, 01:08:25 PM
    #6
    It's only a suggestion on my part, but I am so happy if some of them Can be carried out Bearcats don't like my account just to be band with out any warning or explanation....

    And now can you translate it to English?

    Maybe I was wrong to add people to fight spam?

    No,you were right, and I hope you will not remove The Pharmacist and actmyname from your trust list, and they will not stop either.

    If I leave a neutral then they are free to continue spamming etc...
    Exactly

    I look forward to some ideas on what to do here.

    My opinion is that we should wait to see the results after at least two or three weeks.
    Let's see if the risk of getting tagged and ending up with an useless account for which they have "worked" months if not years is enough to change their attitude....in my opinion it should be

    New negative trust color:
    Red color :  Scammers
    Yellow color : Spammers

    As long as bounty campaigns managers that accept spammers will be tagged as scammers.
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