pickachu, I just want to make sure I have this correctly.
1) You met in person to buy a loaded Titan 1.0 btc 2fa coin.
2) You paid the seller cash in person for the Titan coin.
3) You left that meeting without the coin.
Are the above 3 steps correct and if so, why is #3 possible?
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But that's not something that TitanBTC require to unload your coin ?
And the previous owner do not have access to the hologram?
Thanks for your concern but your statements are not right.
Take a look at titanbtc website what is required for 2FA coin to be unloaded.
I am trying to explain from 2days that actually the old owner could provide only outdated infos and not a single actual one than the coin id and coin 2fa code.
And that's far away from enough for you to prove you are the original owner, because if that was enough, this other case won't exist ----- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/titanbtc-are-ignoring-my-questions-about-their-2fa-coin-5026181
But that's not something that TitanBTC require to unload your coin ?
And the previous owner do not have access to the hologram?
Thanks for your concern but your statements are not right.
Take a look at titanbtc website what is required for 2FA coin to be unloaded.
I am trying to explain from 2days that actually the old owner could provide only outdated infos and not a single actual one than the coin id and coin 2fa code.
And that's far away from enough for you to prove you are the original owner, because if that was enough, this other case won't exist ----- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/titanbtc-are-ignoring-my-questions-about-their-2fa-coin-5026181
I could be wrong here, but I believe you need the coin id / password / whatever the code is underneath the hologram correct?
Please correct me if I am wrong, I have been trying to find this information from someone that has successfully redeemed one of these coins themselves.
The previous owner can provide only coin id and coin 2fa, but not coin pass and coin email because he don't have access to them.
He cannot provide also up to date picture of the hologram because it was destroyed for my own security as new owner so he could not use it in future for fraud.
Sadly, that didn't help the case and he bypass the security even when he don't have all the sensitive infos.
He had 2/5 of what is required coin to be unloaded
Picho I am sorry if what you are saying is all true. As bitcoiners we need to always err on the side of caution. I myself have lost 20+ bitcoin due to scam investments and just random bullshit, BUT never once have I fallen for a peeled hologram. This is most likely going to be chalked up to a loss for you unless you can provide chat logs/plane ticket/cash withdrawal receipt to TitanBTC and even then it is tough because you don't actually have the physical coin itself. 2fa coins opened itself to this sort of social engineering scam and Titan Mint realized it and discontinued this line of coins, thank god.
If you continue down this road of being a bitcoin coin collector and have questions about whether or not something is shady there are always those of us in the Collectibles forum that can spot a potential scam a mile away, just come in and ask. Drop the hostility towards us users, we are just trying to get facts right ( some of them own their own 2fa coins and want piece of mind aswell ). Also, paying cash screwed you over here aswell, hard to track, bitcoin we could have at least been shown a txid and confirmed what may have been a sale on the blockchain.
Edit to add: As I said before, the most important piece of information is the coin 2fa code that is under the hologram itself, almost everything else can be phished/malware logged from your computer. The only solid offline portion in this whole ordeal is the 2fa code underneath the hologram and since drbitcoinve still is in possession of that, I believe this is why TitanBTC sided with him/her.
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But that's not something that TitanBTC require to unload your coin ?
And the previous owner do not have access to the hologram?
Thanks for your concern but your statements are not right.
Take a look at titanbtc website what is required for 2FA coin to be unloaded.
I am trying to explain from 2days that actually the old owner could provide only outdated infos and not a single actual one than the coin id and coin 2fa code.
And that's far away from enough for you to prove you are the original owner, because if that was enough, this other case won't exist ----- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/titanbtc-are-ignoring-my-questions-about-their-2fa-coin-5026181
But that's not something that TitanBTC require to unload your coin ?
And the previous owner do not have access to the hologram?
Thanks for your concern but your statements are not right.
Take a look at titanbtc website what is required for 2FA coin to be unloaded.
I am trying to explain from 2days that actually the old owner could provide only outdated infos and not a single actual one than the coin id and coin 2fa code.
And that's far away from enough for you to prove you are the original owner, because if that was enough, this other case won't exist ----- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/titanbtc-are-ignoring-my-questions-about-their-2fa-coin-5026181
I could be wrong here, but I believe you need the coin id / password / whatever the code is underneath the hologram correct?
Please correct me if I am wrong, I have been trying to find this information from someone that has successfully redeemed one of these coins themselves.
Now tell me guys from your viewpoint because we may have different one.
Lets pretend that you own 2FA coin and you are second owner.
Will you feel responsible after securing the coin that someone get in thru the TitanBTC security ?
Will someone can force you to wait, force you to hold or force you anything that prevent you from owning your funds from the coin you purchased?
Who is the guilty ? The team which didin't follow their own security ways to unload the coin no matter they were manipulated with stories and old dated "proofs" that are not longer valid ? You as holder or they as people who offer you security for your money/coins?
What fault have the second owner of the 2FA coin about they bypassing their own rules and letting previous owner with old infos to unload something that's not belong to him anymore ?
How can someone force you to co-operate in any investigation except the local police ?
Yes I will help him with information because I have nothing to hide and I am not the person who should be afraid of investigation, but that doesn't mean I should be forced or accept anything he telling me right?
As current original owner of my coin all I want is access to it and nothing more.
I want access to what is mine. If they provided someone else access to what is mine, they should refund what is mine because that's not my mistake. The scammer didn't break thru my security, he breat thru their own security.
Don't get me wrong, I am totally fine with investigation and if TitanBTC needs my help he will receive it.
But not before I own what is mine. Why ? Just because it is mine. Nothing more nothing less.
It is not a redflag to buy something that you have secured.
Something that the owner don't have access to.
A circle metal piece don't give you any special access but only the sensitive information from i
All the sensitive information belongs to me, and no one else have access to the coin email and password.
This metal circle of metal cannot provide me more or less security than I had and than I have.
Their 2FA coins are secured not only by 2FA but also coin email and password which they strictly require for unload.
They are there for reason right?
What evidence ? Do you read that the previous owner cannot complete the security checks to verify his up to date ownership ?
I am the only one who can.
They redeem requirement requires them, only I have them.
That's the only valid security this coin provide you except the 2FA.
I don't need police, I don't need lawyers, TitanBTC needs, he were scammed out of something which not belong to him.
He gave access to something which is not his without requesting the up to date infos.
Why you ignoring the fact that the smart scammer just bypass their security with setup no proof based story and with old infos ?
Why I should need police consider I can verify my ownership and that I own 1bitcoin ?
TitanBTC is responsible for his coin security, if there is something wrong with them, he needs to fix it not me ?
He let the scammer took the bitcoin not me ?
Why I should search anything else than the one who owns what's mine? I don't understand your viewpoint ?
There is guide how you should unload your coin ( www.titanbtc.com/redeem ) and the scammer could not finish it because he don't have email and password.
Simple as that.
If someone of titanbtc let them in, how that could be my problem ?
Lets pretend that you own 2FA coin and you are second owner.
Will you feel responsible after securing the coin that someone get in thru the TitanBTC security ?
Will someone can force you to wait, force you to hold or force you anything that prevent you from owning your funds from the coin you purchased?
Who is the guilty ? The team which didin't follow their own security ways to unload the coin no matter they were manipulated with stories and old dated "proofs" that are not longer valid ? You as holder or they as people who offer you security for your money/coins?
What fault have the second owner of the 2FA coin about they bypassing their own rules and letting previous owner with old infos to unload something that's not belong to him anymore ?
How can someone force you to co-operate in any investigation except the local police ?
Yes I will help him with information because I have nothing to hide and I am not the person who should be afraid of investigation, but that doesn't mean I should be forced or accept anything he telling me right?
As current original owner of my coin all I want is access to it and nothing more.
I want access to what is mine. If they provided someone else access to what is mine, they should refund what is mine because that's not my mistake. The scammer didn't break thru my security, he breat thru their own security.
Don't get me wrong, I am totally fine with investigation and if TitanBTC needs my help he will receive it.
But not before I own what is mine. Why ? Just because it is mine. Nothing more nothing less.
It is not a redflag to buy something that you have secured.
Something that the owner don't have access to.
A circle metal piece don't give you any special access but only the sensitive information from i
All the sensitive information belongs to me, and no one else have access to the coin email and password.
This metal circle of metal cannot provide me more or less security than I had and than I have.
Their 2FA coins are secured not only by 2FA but also coin email and password which they strictly require for unload.
They are there for reason right?
What evidence ? Do you read that the previous owner cannot complete the security checks to verify his up to date ownership ?
I am the only one who can.
They redeem requirement requires them, only I have them.
That's the only valid security this coin provide you except the 2FA.
I don't need police, I don't need lawyers, TitanBTC needs, he were scammed out of something which not belong to him.
He gave access to something which is not his without requesting the up to date infos.
Why you ignoring the fact that the smart scammer just bypass their security with setup no proof based story and with old infos ?
Why I should need police consider I can verify my ownership and that I own 1bitcoin ?
TitanBTC is responsible for his coin security, if there is something wrong with them, he needs to fix it not me ?
He let the scammer took the bitcoin not me ?
Why I should search anything else than the one who owns what's mine? I don't understand your viewpoint ?
There is guide how you should unload your coin ( www.titanbtc.com/redeem ) and the scammer could not finish it because he don't have email and password.
Simple as that.
If someone of titanbtc let them in, how that could be my problem ?
The portions of information that you figured were yours(when you changed them) and that you figured were safe are available to be phished or stolen through malware or social engineering. The only piece that is 100% completely private and secure is what is underneath the hologram. You do not have the coin and the person who sold you the coin peeled it and had access to that vital piece of information before you.
Lets pretend that you own 2FA coin and you are second owner.
One of the biggest issues here is that you do not have the physical coin (which is the real tangible thing in here) even though you say you bought it (with cash....).
I am very sorry but this was the biggest red flag out there and you should never have went through with a sale after seeing the peel / void showing through hologram. Social engineering of scams is only going to rise in the years to come and these are things you need to see through to avoid being taken advantage of.
Your best bet now is to follow through with TitanBTC's advice and compile all the evidence you have and hopefully come to a conclusion with/without police or lawyers involved.
As for future sales/instances like this.. after seeings these pictures I would not have left the meeting without having transferred the bitcoin to a wallet that I own. The holograms don't lie. The intent to scam/steal was right there.
Don't ever trust just changing a username/password.. phishing and malware have lost a lot of people their coins aswell.
Pichotklasa please provide picture of physical coin with peeled hologram. Thanks.
Also deep down this feels like a scam that involves two people that know eachother and think they can exploit Titan Mint 2fa coins. (honestly i hate the idea of a 2fa coin)
Also deep down this feels like a scam that involves two people that know eachother and think they can exploit Titan Mint 2fa coins. (honestly i hate the idea of a 2fa coin)
@everyone else...
We're not infallible, but the evidence in this instance points pretty overwhelmingly to the rightful owner of the coin. Much of this evidence involves sensitive info which I am not authorized to share here, but they include verifiable transcripts and un-modified screenshots of the Social engineering activity as well as photos and videos of the coin, hologram, and redemption code.
That evidence, combined with the timing of the communications and our IP logs indicate that Pichotklasa
1. Saw the coin owner's post here in the forum
2. Obtained the coin owner's personal info
3. Impersonated Titan employees to gain the coin owner's trust
4. Used that trust to obtain the coin's redemption info
5. Changed the coin's registration email using that information
6. Posted this thread Claiming to be the rightful owner
Ultimately, with these particular coins, Titan Mint is the arbiter of ownership. Our system and the 2FA product itself was designed to automate that arbitration as much as possible. It's an expensive burden but one we take very seriously.
If anyone has issues with our determination of ownership, they are welcome to contact us at [email protected] and we will respond as soon as possible. We'll work with all parties involved to find the best solution.
We're not infallible, but the evidence in this instance points pretty overwhelmingly to the rightful owner of the coin. Much of this evidence involves sensitive info which I am not authorized to share here, but they include verifiable transcripts and un-modified screenshots of the Social engineering activity as well as photos and videos of the coin, hologram, and redemption code.
That evidence, combined with the timing of the communications and our IP logs indicate that Pichotklasa
1. Saw the coin owner's post here in the forum
2. Obtained the coin owner's personal info
3. Impersonated Titan employees to gain the coin owner's trust
4. Used that trust to obtain the coin's redemption info
5. Changed the coin's registration email using that information
6. Posted this thread Claiming to be the rightful owner
Ultimately, with these particular coins, Titan Mint is the arbiter of ownership. Our system and the 2FA product itself was designed to automate that arbitration as much as possible. It's an expensive burden but one we take very seriously.
If anyone has issues with our determination of ownership, they are welcome to contact us at [email protected] and we will respond as soon as possible. We'll work with all parties involved to find the best solution.
Screenshot from the confirmation email -> http://prntscr.com/m3w8ec
Can you verify that he link leading to legit TitanBTC website? Also please look at e-mail source as "from" field can be faked.
His confirmation email from our website is likely legitimate. He obtained that info from the rightful coin owner usin social engineering tactics, by impersonating myself and acting as a representative of TitanBTC via emails with faked headers and a freshly created Telegram account.
@Pichotklasa, If you've truly been wronged and I have somehow made a mistake, please file a report with your local police department including all evidence of your purchase and your travel to and from Peru, as well as any communication you had with the seller prior to and after making the purchase.
I have multiple employees in Russia, and one in Ukraine, and I will have them communicate with your local authorities to verify the police report is complete and the evidence that was provided is authenticated.
Once that police report is verified, we will consider the option that we redeemed the coin's value to the wrong party and transfer the BTC value of that coin to you once we've determined that we made an error.
If you're in agreement with this process, then please confirm here that you will be working with us (Titan Mint) directly to resolve this issue. No further discussion will be entertained with you in this forum until you've agreed to involve law enforcement. If you've honestly been defrauded, then reporting that theft to the police and putting them in touch with us is the next step.
I am not here to learn you stuff, I am here to report a scam.
Your reporting isn't going well so far. If you're not a scammer then stop being an asshole to Anduck when he's trying to help you (trust me, I've been an asshole to Anduck and I know what I'm talking about LOL). It costs you nothing to answer the questions so it doesn't make sense to refuse help.
Screenshot from the confirmation email -> http://prntscr.com/m3w8ec
Can you verify that he link leading to legit TitanBTC website? Also please look at e-mail source as "from" field can be faked.
You get that email when u change your coin email and password.
If you don't know what to say don't say anything.
I am not here to learn you stuff, I am here to report a scam.
Now please stop spamming in my thread or I will start report your posts.
Thank you.
Even if you were in fact scammed you are a complete idiot. Many of the people here are asking questions to help get to the bottom of this and figure out whether you (the supposed buyer) or the seller was the scammer. These aren't just people that frequent the Scam Accusations board, we are actually buyers of thousands of coins that are often loaded with 1BTC+. If you were able to give out enough information and it were verified true then those of us from the COLLECTIBLES community would be able to put enough pressure on TitanBTC to make things right.
Currently you're being labelled as a douchebag (look it up since English isn't your first language). None of us want to put up with your shit attitude anymore and you can now deal with TitanBTC alone, and it is apparent they have sided with the seller of the coin. Good luck in your endeavor alone.
Screenshot from the confirmation email -> http://prntscr.com/m3w8ec
Can you verify that he link leading to legit TitanBTC website? Also please look at e-mail source as "from" field can be faked.
In short, we're here to serve the interests of our coin owners.
To that, can you update you website to show the Titan Tenths (Silver) you sold to be valid? For example, if you look up the cuties shown in the photo below, they do not verify on the Titan website. This is most frustrating!
I thought those coin database updates were completed months ago. I'm terribly sorry about that!
Yes of course. We'll have those updated on the site today. Please do feel free to email me with issues like this as well. I'm not available on the forums too often these days unless requested by a coin owner.
In short, we're here to serve the interests of our coin owners.
To that, can you update you website to show the Titan Tenths (Silver) you sold to be valid? For example, if you look up the cuties shown in the photo below, they do not verify on the Titan website. This is most frustrating!
The previous owner cannot provide full up to date infos to be verified as the current owner of it because only I can.
How was ownership transferred?
Pinky swear from what I can tell.
The previous owner cannot provide full up to date infos to be verified as the current owner of it because only I can.
How was ownership transferred?
P.S: to Anduck. No matter is none of your business, your questions were answered. learn to read.
Sorry, but I don't see answers to my questions. Could you please answer again? I have a bunch of new Q's too if you don't mind. I'm trying to help you here.
1) Did you buy the physical Titan coin?
2) Was there a hologram in it? Was it intact?
3) Did you peel the hologram of the coin yourself?
4) Do you have the redeem code which is/was under the hologram?
None of your business but feel free to read -> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/solved-5093771
1) The metal coin not, the full infos about using it yes.
2) I had only the infos from it so I could take control of it and change email and password.
3) obviously no
4) I do have ALL the infos not only redeem code but coin id, coin password, coin email.
Then you've been scammed. The coin is a physical token, that's the real thing. All the infos you've received are only part of the 2FA thing. The physical coin has a redeem code in it, which is needed to redeem it. Titan's 2FA stuff is not enough..
Can you describe the process of transferring this 2FA stuff (coin id, associated email) to you?
Also maybe you can provide titanBTC the info you've received? Though likely all that info is fake anyway if you've been scammed..
P.S: to Anduck. No matter is none of your business, your questions were answered. learn to read.
Sorry, but I don't see answers to my questions. Could you please answer again? I have a bunch of new Q's too if you don't mind. I'm trying to help you here.
1) Did you buy the physical Titan coin? Received it?
2) Was there a hologram in it? Was it intact?
3) Did you peel the hologram of the coin yourself?
4) Do you have the redeem code which is/was under the hologram?
2. 2-Factor-Authenticated - in which user's registered ownership on Titan's website and an additional ownership is required before redemption of the coin's BTC value
What exactly is in the physical coin? Just some code that you know, but nothing cryptographically meaningful? (If so, it's not really 2FA but 1FA...)
I wonder why Pichotklasa can't answer simple questions like this: "did you peel a hologram and get the redeem code, or was it never in there". As I see it, it could very well be that the coin was sold redeemed without the buyer acknowledging that there should be a hologram in it...
I'm like 95% confident based on language patterns and grammar that you are just a shill account for the scammer, but on the 5% chance that you're not...
We follow an extremely rigid set of rules to defeat social engineering attacks. We have guaranteed the BTC value on our 2FA coins, and we take it very seriously. We successfully verified the owner of the coin in question before redemption, using a number of factors.
We're also not done chasing down the details on the scammer in question. When we're able, we report these individuals to local law enforcement. We may have collected some identifying info on the individual in question and if it checks out, we'll be putting together a docket of evidence for attempted theft to be handed over to the relevant authorities.
In short, we're here to serve the interests of our coin owners.
We follow an extremely rigid set of rules to defeat social engineering attacks. We have guaranteed the BTC value on our 2FA coins, and we take it very seriously. We successfully verified the owner of the coin in question before redemption, using a number of factors.
We're also not done chasing down the details on the scammer in question. When we're able, we report these individuals to local law enforcement. We may have collected some identifying info on the individual in question and if it checks out, we'll be putting together a docket of evidence for attempted theft to be handed over to the relevant authorities.
In short, we're here to serve the interests of our coin owners.
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