[SOLVED] Adkinsbet scammed me 66.3mbt - page 2.

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Quote from: Steamtyme on December 13, 2020, 04:57:55 PM

Quote from: AdkinsBET on December 13, 2020, 08:19:14 AM

As for the user spyrosc200: We found evidence that this user might be involved in this professional gambler group. However, because we only want to make a judgment after sufficient evidence, we have taken the necessary time to investigate this.
We informed spyrosc200 a few days ago that his bets and account were valid, and we can confirm that he has nothing to do with the group of scammers.

We are a new bookmaker, right now we are behind our decision. We are of course open to solving this, if it turns out that our decision was not the correct one.
We do not tolerate false accusations from users, as this can cause serious image damage.

If experienced users or DT users have a different opinion than our current decisions, then we are certainly open to this and will also pay the user in question (under certain conditions).
I think everyone would agree that the moment you inflict serious image damage on a site, there are consequences.
Spyros is welcome to engage a mediator, and if we prove wrong, we will be happy to pay this 66.3 mBTC

You've said it yourself, the user did not violate your terms or cheat on your site. Obviously you should pay the player their money.

I'm not excusing spyrosc200's behavior, they are abrassive insulting and clearly looking to fight and argue in that manner. Is it justified, to some extent yes, in my opinion. They have been investigated (which there is no problem) they complied, then they were strung along and finally cleared of wrong doing but were still punished through confiscated funds.

This is not the way to make a name for your new business. It looks unprofessional to confiscate winning bets because the "cleared of wrongdoing" user became upset and belligerent after the fact and drew public attention to the fact. I have no problem with you closing their account and not doing business with them in the future; that is reasonable and well within your rights as a business. This should be done after you pay out the balance.

They have not written that the terms and conditions have not been violated.

They write that he has not cheated and has nothing to do with the group of scammers.

In their terms and conditions this is pretty clear:

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We may choose to close, suspend or temporarily limit your account if we reasonably believe you are not complying with our terms and conditions, or to maintain the integrity of our service.

What happened could certainly be covered. I believe that players should also bear their own responsibility and should behave at all times without verbal abuse, accusations and that kind of thing.

This player already blamed the site for anything going on. That's a very different story than blaming them if he didn't get paid, then it would have been understandable.

I think Adkinsbet does not have to pay in this case, as they are in their right, but it is wise to pay so that they show that they solve situations to the customer's satisfaction, even though this customer does not deserve it.

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Quote from: AdkinsBET on December 13, 2020, 08:19:14 AM

As for the user spyrosc200: We found evidence that this user might be involved in this professional gambler group. However, because we only want to make a judgment after sufficient evidence, we have taken the necessary time to investigate this.
We informed spyrosc200 a few days ago that his bets and account were valid, and we can confirm that he has nothing to do with the group of scammers.

We are a new bookmaker, right now we are behind our decision. We are of course open to solving this, if it turns out that our decision was not the correct one.
We do not tolerate false accusations from users, as this can cause serious image damage.

If experienced users or DT users have a different opinion than our current decisions, then we are certainly open to this and will also pay the user in question (under certain conditions).
I think everyone would agree that the moment you inflict serious image damage on a site, there are consequences.
Spyros is welcome to engage a mediator, and if we prove wrong, we will be happy to pay this 66.3 mBTC

You've said it yourself, the user did not violate your terms or cheat on your site. Obviously you should pay the player their money.

I'm not excusing spyrosc200's behavior, they are abrassive insulting and clearly looking to fight and argue in that manner. Is it justified, to some extent yes, in my opinion. They have been investigated (which there is no problem) they complied, then they were strung along and finally cleared of wrong doing but were still punished through confiscated funds.

This is not the way to make a name for your new business. It looks unprofessional to confiscate winning bets because the "cleared of wrongdoing" user became upset and belligerent after the fact and drew public attention to the fact. I have no problem with you closing their account and not doing business with them in the future; that is reasonable and well within your rights as a business. This should be done after you pay out the balance.

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Quote from: aomakun on December 13, 2020, 02:32:44 PM

He has no respect for forum users. He also no respect for the rules from the forum and just do not care about it at all.
What he is doing is just bumping without any new information.

13. Bumps, "updates" are limited to once per 24 hours per thread.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unofficial-list-of-official-bitcointalkorg-rules-guidelines-faq-703657

Zero respect to forum users? Where were you when 20+ users attacked me and accused me with joke accusations???

I repeat,

20+ people who acted as a team, attack me and called me a liar, a cheater, an alt account, a manipulator, due to the post below which it doesn't makes any sense.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5290408

Adkinsbet stole my funds cause i called those group as ''paid dogs(!)''

Since some people are biased and don't want to understand, i will continue respond to all of them as it seems valuable for me to not let anything unanswered.

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He has no respect for forum users. He also no respect for the rules from the forum and just do not care about it at all.
What he is doing is just bumping without any new information.

13. Bumps, "updates" are limited to once per 24 hours per thread.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unofficial-list-of-official-bitcointalkorg-rules-guidelines-faq-703657

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Quote from: qory on December 13, 2020, 12:48:28 PM

all you do now is spamming here. the topic is not meant for that. All your posts have no added value. Find someone with a DT level or another mediator, and then post again if you have news or other information. your point of view and arguments are clear, as are Adkinsbet's. End of story for now. And post again if there is news.

My posts have added value.

Anyone non biased can see it.

Not sure what DT level is. I am aware of mediators.

Confiscating someone's profits for calling ''paid dogs'' a group of 20 that attacked him without valid reason, no mediator will accept that.

Who is DT Level?

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all you do now is spamming here. the topic is not meant for that. All your posts have no added value. Find someone with a DT level or another mediator, and then post again if you have news or other information. your point of view and arguments are clear, as are Adkinsbet's. End of story for now. And post again if there is news.

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Quote from: VanityWallets2015 on December 13, 2020, 12:24:41 PM

Quote from: spyrosc200 on December 13, 2020, 12:03:43 PM

So your are telling me that you see nothing strange for 20+ people who acted as a team to attack me and calling me a liar, a cheater, an alt account, a manipulator, due to the post below?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5290408

I would repeat the same answer again and again.

Even adkinsbet paid that bets, yet you find it logical to being accused from 20 people for that post lol.

People in the forum hate scammers, and cheaters. Many people react very strongly when these kinds of situations arise. It has been proven and clear that there were customers on the site at Adkinsbet who knowingly cheated. You can find circumstantial evidence here in this post.

The whole problem is that you link those accounts directly to Adkinsbet, that it would pay for those accounts. Ever occurred to you that people just hate scammers and aren't welcome on the forum? You should know for yourself that you want to accuse accounts of conspiracy, but you have now accused Adkinsbet of paying dogs while they have nothing to do with it. That's why they made this decision.
You should have be more careful with your words, I think. Instead of behaving in a normal way, you are just continue with accusing here.

If you want to solve this, stay to the point and only post if you have valuable information. You are now only writing your frustrations.
Now this topic is getting bumped every time with a discussion about nothing.

I am not frustrated.

20+ people who acted as a team, attack me and called me a liar, a cheater, an alt account, a manipulator, due to the post below which it doesn't makes any sense.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5290408

Adkins stalling techniques started with:
''your account is ok (but they didn't paid me), followed by your account is monitor as some bettors placed same events but diferrent lines, then they ignored my messages, at the end they invented that calling those 20+ who attacked me ''paid dogs'' is enough reason to confiscate my winnings''.

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Quote from: spyrosc200 on December 13, 2020, 12:03:43 PM

So your are telling me that you see nothing strange for 20+ people who acted as a team to attack me and calling me a liar, a cheater, an alt account, a manipulator, due to the post below?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5290408

I would repeat the same answer again and again.

Even adkinsbet paid that bets, yet you find it logical to being accused from 20 people for that post lol.

People in the forum hate scammers, and cheaters. Many people react very strongly when these kinds of situations arise. It has been proven and clear that there were customers on the site at Adkinsbet who knowingly cheated. You can find circumstantial evidence here in this post.

The whole problem is that you link those accounts directly to Adkinsbet, that it would pay for those accounts. Ever occurred to you that people just hate scammers and aren't welcome on the forum? You should know for yourself that you want to accuse accounts of conspiracy, but you have now accused Adkinsbet of paying dogs while they have nothing to do with it. That's why they made this decision.
You should have be more careful with your words, I think. Instead of behaving in a normal way, you are just continue with accusing here.

If you want to solve this, stay to the point and only post if you have valuable information. You are now only writing your frustrations.
Now this topic is getting bumped every time with a discussion about nothing.

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Quote from: qory on December 13, 2020, 12:11:06 PM

There is something very wrong with your thinking and your logic. You also think that you understand a lot of the gambling world, while you actually do not understand much of it in terms of content.
Like this post:

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Arbitrage betting is not allowed from 99% of bookmakers. This is known and accepted.

YET, according to industry standards the guy should get paid in FULL.

Adkins can limit him but not confiscate his money.

After all, would Adkins gave him back his losses if the guy lost those ''arbitrage'' bets? Obsiously not.

Would also like to see the betting history of this guy. Interested to check the so called ''arbitrage'' bets myself and compare adkins odds with other bookmakers odds at the specific time.

You are trying to be interesting by saying that arbitrage bets are not allowed at 99% of the bookmakers and that it is accepted by the community. and next, you write that if it happens, then the bookmakers have to pay out the winnings. can you explain why bookmakers have to pay an arbitrage bet if it is not allowed? If something is not allowed, then it is not allowed and a bookmaker take sanctions.
if you would have read the topic from adkinsbet more proper then you would have know that your buddy TIMOM is also part of the professional cheaters group.

adkinsbet also replied on this so stop posting your useless information and ask help from DT members here on the forum or SBR adkinsbet told that they are open for a discussion and if it can be proven they take the wrong decision they will pay you. right now you are only crying here on the topic that is not the purpose if posting an accusation

You have no idea of betting if you think legit bookies void arbitrage bets.

They don't like arbitrage bets but they pay them.

Even if i was wrong, why 20 people acted as team, called me a liar, a cheater, a manipulator, responsible for Adkins DOS Attack?

Since when Pinnacle or Bet365 void arbitrage bets? Pinnacle accept arbitrage, Bet365 they pay you and they kick you/limit you.End of story.

Unless you speak about 1XBET scammers, all reputable books pay those bets and they kick the users as they don't like them.

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I also don't really understand what his problem is now. Even though Adkinsbet has the right to close their account, they still state that they are willing to resolve it if they are found to have made the wrong decision. So instead of spamming here (you have already posted 10 messages again) you better stop posting and look for a solution like a mediator on the forum, someone who can communicate in a normal way.

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There is something very wrong with your thinking and your logic. You also think that you understand a lot of the gambling world, while you actually do not understand much of it in terms of content.
Like this post:

Quote from: ?? on ??

Arbitrage betting is not allowed from 99% of bookmakers. This is known and accepted.

YET, according to industry standards the guy should get paid in FULL.

Adkins can limit him but not confiscate his money.

After all, would Adkins gave him back his losses if the guy lost those ''arbitrage'' bets? Obsiously not.

Would also like to see the betting history of this guy. Interested to check the so called ''arbitrage'' bets myself and compare adkins odds with other bookmakers odds at the specific time.

You are trying to be interesting by saying that arbitrage bets are not allowed at 99% of the bookmakers and that it is accepted by the community. and next, you write that if it happens, then the bookmakers have to pay out the winnings. can you explain why bookmakers have to pay an arbitrage bet if it is not allowed? If something is not allowed, then it is not allowed and a bookmaker take sanctions.
if you would have read the topic from adkinsbet more proper then you would have know that your buddy TIMOM is also part of the professional cheaters group.

adkinsbet also replied on this so stop posting your useless information and ask help from DT members here on the forum or SBR adkinsbet told that they are open for a discussion and if it can be proven they take the wrong decision they will pay you. right now you are only crying here on the topic that is not the purpose if posting an accusation

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So your are telling me that you see nothing strange for 20+ people who acted as a team to attack me and calling me a liar, a cheater, an alt account, a manipulator, due to the post below?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5290408

I would repeat the same answer again and again.

Even adkinsbet paid that bets, yet you find it logical to being accused from 20 people for that post lol.

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Quote from: spyrosc200 on December 13, 2020, 11:40:30 AM

Quote from: codegnome on December 13, 2020, 11:31:43 AM

If you have a problem with an account, you need to fix it with the account in question or the person sitting with it. What you've done now is accuse Adkinsbet of having some profiles talk positively about the site.
You don't have much sense, by the way. As you mentioned earlier, a number of accounts indicated that cheaters should not be paid, while Adkinsbet did pay these cheaters in the beginning. Your logic is wrong (again).
If you accuse someone you have to come up with evidence, not assumptions with your "paid dogs". You are giving the site a bad reputation while referring to TIMOM, a professional scammer who burns down all the sites on the forum. Why are you standing up for a scammer?

Can you give me an explanation why 20 people acted as a team and accused me for DOS Attacked, called me liar, a scammer, an alt account, simply due to this post?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5290408

What was the need to attacked me as a team?

Why you never said anything about those 20+ people who accused me in purpose for no reasons at all?

When Adkinsbet's site was attacked by a DDos attack, a group of trolls were active on the forum at the same time. The professional scam artists who robbed Adkinsbet.
And you clearly sided with these scammers here. do you actually understand how serious this situation was with that DDos attack?
The problem is not your way of thinking, but the way how you express it. If you talk with more respect to people, then you achieve much more then just accusing and threatening.

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Quote from: ongkok87 on December 13, 2020, 11:55:49 AM

Probably because you are very disrespectful to others. If you just write that people are paid dogs, you are a disrespectful bastard. Nobody will speak to you in a decent way anymore.
The reason this is now because there was a group of scammers active on the forum and they attacked Adkinsbet with cheating, it seems logical to me that accounts then take the side of the bookmaker because nobody wants these scammers on the forum. And since you're defending these scammers, you've made yourself a suspect.
if you would have acted normal, I am sure nobody would have attacked you.

You are wrong.

I expressed my own opinion here:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5290408

Then i was attacked from 20 members who as a team attacked me. This is when i called ''paid dogs''!

Who is the cheater at the end when Adkinsbet admitted that my bets were ok, yet 20 people accused me as a cheater?

Of course Adkinsbet later said ''Hey, you called those 20 people ''paid dogs'', we will confiscate your winnings'' lol

Have explained everythings few posts above, read it.

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Probably because you are very disrespectful to others. If you just write that people are paid dogs, you are a disrespectful bastard. Nobody will speak to you in a decent way anymore.
The reason this is now because there was a group of scammers active on the forum and they attacked Adkinsbet with cheating, it seems logical to me that accounts then take the side of the bookmaker because nobody wants these scammers on the forum. And since you're defending these scammers, you've made yourself a suspect.
if you would have acted normal, I am sure nobody would have attacked you.

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Quote from: codegnome on December 13, 2020, 11:31:43 AM

If you have a problem with an account, you need to fix it with the account in question or the person sitting with it. What you've done now is accuse Adkinsbet of having some profiles talk positively about the site.
You don't have much sense, by the way. As you mentioned earlier, a number of accounts indicated that cheaters should not be paid, while Adkinsbet did pay these cheaters in the beginning. Your logic is wrong (again).
If you accuse someone you have to come up with evidence, not assumptions with your "paid dogs". You are giving the site a bad reputation while referring to TIMOM, a professional scammer who burns down all the sites on the forum. Why are you standing up for a scammer?

Can you give me an explanation why 20 people acted as a team and accused me for DOS Attacked, called me liar, a scammer, an alt account, simply due to this post?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5290408

What was the need to attacked me as a team?

Why you never said anything about those 20+ people who accused me in purpose for no reasons at all?

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Quote from: spyrosc200 on December 13, 2020, 11:29:55 AM

You can continue with the known tactic of changing the direction of the discussion, you do this all day in adkins topic lol.

You are someone who likes to be out of the rules, I get the idea.

Is it allowed to change subject within a topic? Yes

Is it allowed to troll like you did in the ann topic? No

You told people they have to write an accusation topic when they have a problem.
Then, when you have a problem on the site, you started trolling in their ann topic.

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If you have a problem with an account, you need to fix it with the account in question or the person sitting with it. What you've done now is accuse Adkinsbet of having some profiles talk positively about the site.
You don't have much sense, by the way. As you mentioned earlier, a number of accounts indicated that cheaters should not be paid, while Adkinsbet did pay these cheaters in the beginning. Your logic is wrong (again).
If you accuse someone you have to come up with evidence, not assumptions with your "paid dogs". You are giving the site a bad reputation while referring to TIMOM, a professional scammer who burns down all the sites on the forum. Why are you standing up for a scammer?

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Quote from: gadado on December 13, 2020, 11:24:59 AM

Is it really that difficult to behave yourself on this forum? Sometimes I have the feeling I am talking with a child from 8 years old when I see your posts.
You have already started your accusation, it is not allowed to bump it within 24 hours.
But feel free to continue posting, the more incredible you come across after all your statements Wink

I am not bumping.

I am adding valuable info that anyone who doesn't belong to your team will understand it.

You can continue with the known tactic of changing the direction of the discussion, you do this all day in adkins topic lol.

The more you post the more easy is for anyone to understand what is going on Wink

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Is it really that difficult to behave yourself on this forum? Sometimes I have the feeling I am talking with a child from 8 years old when I see your posts.
You have already started your accusation, it is not allowed to bump it within 24 hours.
But feel free to continue posting, the more incredible you come across after all your statements Wink

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