Someone from DefaultTrust just killed my pot. Sr. Member account for no reason! - page 3.

TheGr33k

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Quote from: ndnh on October 05, 2015, 11:17:39 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on October 05, 2015, 09:31:52 PM

To say that someone should not have trading experience to be in the DefaultTrust network is ridiculous. If they have no experience trading then what would they be doing looking at marketplace threads where the scams are going to be taking place?

No, not having trading experience shouldn't be and is not a disqualification from being on DT.

Yep, how come trust is developed only by doing trade? I used to trust Quickseller once, not because he had done a lot of trades, but because he was great in busting out scams.

Quickseller

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Quote from: ndnh on October 06, 2015, 12:00:25 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on October 05, 2015, 11:21:09 PM

Quote from: ndnh on October 05, 2015, 11:17:39 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on October 05, 2015, 09:31:52 PM

To say that someone should not have trading experience to be in the DefaultTrust network is ridiculous. If they have no experience trading then what would they be doing looking at marketplace threads where the scams are going to be taking place?

No, having trading experience shouldn't be and is not a qualification for being on DT.

What would they be doing looking at Marketplace threads then? What incentive would they have to have to be reasonable with individual trust ratings? If they have no trading experience then why would they have sent any trust ratings?

AFAIK the qualification should be that
the person is trustworthy and
the person leaves reasonable trust ratings
Past trades may indicate trustworthiness but it isn't the only indicator. Well, theymos and BadBear isn't on DT because of trades. Grin

There are DT members with 0 trust score and quite qualify being on Default trust than many others.

How is anyone suppose to know that you are trustworthy if you have never been trusted in the past?

Theymos may not be on DT because of the trades he has done in the past, however he has conducted business on the forum in the past. For example he sold a TI-84 Plus with a Pink Faceplate, and he auctions off forum advertisements multiple times per month.

I am not sure what trades BadBear has conducted in the past, however he has been trusted with sensitive information in the past (and AFAIK continues to be trusted with such information). He also trades his services as an admin for several BTC every month.

ndnh

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Quote from: Quickseller on October 05, 2015, 11:21:09 PM

Quote from: ndnh on October 05, 2015, 11:17:39 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on October 05, 2015, 09:31:52 PM

To say that someone should not have trading experience to be in the DefaultTrust network is ridiculous. If they have no experience trading then what would they be doing looking at marketplace threads where the scams are going to be taking place?

No, having trading experience shouldn't be and is not a qualification for being on DT.

What would they be doing looking at Marketplace threads then? What incentive would they have to have to be reasonable with individual trust ratings? If they have no trading experience then why would they have sent any trust ratings?

AFAIK the qualification should be that
the person is trustworthy and
the person leaves reasonable trust ratings.

Past trades may indicate trustworthiness but it isn't the only indicator. Well, theymos and BadBear isn't on DT because of trades. Grin

There are DT members with 0 trust score and quite qualify being on Default trust than many others.

Quickseller

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Quote from: ndnh on October 05, 2015, 11:17:39 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on October 05, 2015, 09:31:52 PM

To say that someone should not have trading experience to be in the DefaultTrust network is ridiculous. If they have no experience trading then what would they be doing looking at marketplace threads where the scams are going to be taking place?

No, having trading experience shouldn't be and is not a qualification for being on DT.

What would they be doing looking at Marketplace threads then? What incentive would they have to have to be reasonable with individual trust ratings? If they have no trading experience then why would they have sent any trust ratings?

ndnh

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Quote from: Quickseller on October 05, 2015, 09:31:52 PM

To say that someone should not have trading experience to be in the DefaultTrust network is ridiculous. If they have no experience trading then what would they be doing looking at marketplace threads where the scams are going to be taking place?

No, not having trading experience shouldn't be and is not a disqualification from being on DT.

Quickseller

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Quote from: ABitNut on October 05, 2015, 08:49:26 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on October 05, 2015, 07:11:45 PM

By having zero trading experience (at least from the account he is leaving ratings from), he lacks the experience to be able to reach a middle ground with others, and lacks the ability to show that he has a history of acting reasonable.

1) You're sure they're a sockpuppet
2) You claim they lack experience

To be able to draw that conclusion you must know the owner behind the account and their experience level. Do you? Or are you jumping to conclusions.

In other news, there are no requirements for a position on default trust. Generally, if your feedback is spot on you'll get there. Regardless of any trading history, post/activity count, the number of hairs on your head. Stop imagining rules where there are none.

There is no evidence of any trading experience.

To say that someone should not have trading experience to be in the DefaultTrust network is ridiculous. If they have no experience trading then what would they be doing looking at marketplace threads where the scams are going to be taking place?

Even by your criteria, the feedback of cryptodevil is not spot on and as a result has no place on DefaultTrust.

ABitNut

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Quote from: Quickseller on October 05, 2015, 07:11:45 PM

By having zero trading experience (at least from the account he is leaving ratings from), he lacks the experience to be able to reach a middle ground with others, and lacks the ability to show that he has a history of acting reasonable.

1) You're sure they're a sockpuppet
2) You claim they lack experience

To be able to draw that conclusion you must know the owner behind the account and their experience level. Do you? Or are you jumping to conclusions.

In other news, there are no requirements for a position on default trust. Generally, if your feedback is spot on you'll get there. Regardless of any trading history, post/activity count, the number of hairs on your head. Stop imagining rules where there are none.

botany

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Quote from: Quickseller on October 05, 2015, 07:11:45 PM

You have got to be kidding me Roll Eyes

Being on DefaultTust is a liability if anything because it attracts a lot of drama towards you when you leave a negative rating. Even if you never leave a negative rating, others will try to figure out what it takes to get a positive rating from you and then farm trust from you.

Different people have different motivations.
Some people might like the attention / drama that you talk of.

Quickseller

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Quote from: botany on October 05, 2015, 06:30:03 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on October 05, 2015, 02:51:34 PM

cryptodevil has zero trading history and as a result if he is incorrect about a rating his reputation will not suffer (because he has zero reputation to start with), and as a result he has no incentive to give out ratings that are reasonable, supported by facts (instead of speculation), and to remove a rating when it turns out he is wrong.

There is the threat of being removed from the default trust list, if his ratings are unreasonable.
That should be sufficient.

You have got to be kidding me Roll Eyes

Being on DefaultTust is a liability if anything because it attracts a lot of drama towards you when you leave a negative rating. Even if you never leave a negative rating, others will try to figure out what it takes to get a positive rating from you and then farm trust from you.

It is however unlikely that cryptodevil is going to get removed from DT because the ratings he leaves are nearly identical to those of ThePhwner and dooglus, except most of the time, only one of them will leave a negative rating. This means that none of them will attract sufficient attention so that other level 1 DT people will not exclude any of them, and that the level of controversy associated with each of them is reduced by roughly 2/3, which is substantial.

By having zero trading experience (at least from the account he is leaving ratings from), he lacks the experience to be able to reach a middle ground with others, and lacks the ability to show that he has a history of acting reasonable.

botany

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Quote from: Quickseller on October 05, 2015, 02:51:34 PM

cryptodevil has zero trading history and as a result if he is incorrect about a rating his reputation will not suffer (because he has zero reputation to start with), and as a result he has no incentive to give out ratings that are reasonable, supported by facts (instead of speculation), and to remove a rating when it turns out he is wrong.

There is the threat of being removed from the default trust list, if his ratings are unreasonable.
That should be sufficient.

Quickseller

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Quote from: Athertle on October 05, 2015, 02:44:33 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on October 05, 2015, 02:06:30 PM

I think a better question is why is someone who has zero trade history (and thus no reputation to maintain) allowed to be on Default Trust?

Having this person on their trust list is a clear example of using shills with the trust system, however in this case the rating are going to show up by default to everyone.

Not exactly. cryptodevil has had an active presence on the forum for scam busting and apparently had trustable behavior, so someone on depth 1 added him to their trust list.

IMHO, I think that the trust rating was unfounded; the possibility that the OP was just a supporter of CloudMining.website is pretty plausible.

cryptodevil is a shill account whose sole purpose is to harass companies that he thinks is a scam as well as the customers of the companies that he thinks is a scam. It is one thing to warn others about a potential scam, but it is inappropriate to continuously harass a scammer, and even less so to harass someone who is doing business with such scammers.

cryptodevil has zero trading history and as a result if he is incorrect about a rating his reputation will not suffer (because he has zero reputation to start with), and as a result he has no incentive to give out ratings that are reasonable, supported by facts (instead of speculation), and to remove a rating when it turns out he is wrong.

Athertle

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Quote from: Quickseller on October 05, 2015, 02:06:30 PM

I think a better question is why is someone who has zero trade history (and thus no reputation to maintain) allowed to be on Default Trust?

Having this person on their trust list is a clear example of using shills with the trust system, however in this case the rating are going to show up by default to everyone.

Not exactly. cryptodevil has had an active presence on the forum for scam busting and apparently had trustable behavior, so someone on depth 1 added him to their trust list.

IMHO, I think that the trust rating was unfounded; the possibility that the OP was just a supporter of CloudMining.website is pretty plausible.

Quickseller

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I think a better question is why is someone who has zero trade history (and thus no reputation to maintain) allowed to be on Default Trust?

Having this person on their trust list is a clear example of using shills with the trust system, however in this case the rating are going to show up by default to everyone.

Vitamin King

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I dunno this guy. How come these people are getting into DefaultTrust? Now-a-days no scam accusation or reference is required by DefaultTrust people to make someone red?

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