Topic: South Africa in trouble. - page 2. (Read 723 times)

There is more to this, The US government is not happy with South Africa, and he's Brick's nation Alies Russia and China after Putin and the Chinese President's recent visit to South Africa, The US is becoming worried about how close the Russian Government led by Putin has become close allies with South Africa, and maybe looking for a way to victimize or indict and punish the South African government for that.

As far as I know, no strong links to arms supply to Russia have been found. However, South Africa is in a lot of trouble due to the issuance of Putin's arrest warrant from the political side. Again, looking at the economy, it can be seen that the economic structure has been filled with lor for a long time. Rising inflationary pressures and food shortages are noticeable. But I think the Ukraine Russia war has had a severe impact on the economy more or less all over the world

South Africa has been a loyal ally with the USA for a long time, now there are allegations of weapons supply to Russia, I hope this is not proven so that it makes South Africa safe from sanctions, if sanctions occur, of course it will create a lot of difficulties and a long economic recession for South Africa.

Unfortunately that is true for almost every single politician all around the world. I do not know any politician who became poorer than the time they enter by the time they quit. Every single politician that went into politics, retired richer than they started. That can't be done with just public servant wage, because it is not that a lot, it is good of course but not a ton.

I believe that it would be very difficult to do something regarding this project and I believe that South Africa is not that different in that regard. It is obvious that it will take some time before people could say that it is a smart decision for South Africa to change politicians, considering no matter who is elected into whichever position, the result could very well be the same.

Of course it is sad if these accusations are proven, heavy economic sanctions will be accepted and make the condition of the African economy even more difficult, I don't know if these accusations are true or not but I hope for the best because sanctions will only make things difficult, and international tensions can continue increase.

Sadly South Africa has been led by many successive and self enriching government ministers for decades now. It once made a very big name for itself as one of the most prosperous places in Africa, it has immense beauty and resources, but sadly it is being squandered. The country seems to step by step head into more lawless territory and there is defacto vast segregation between communities because of high levels of the most horrendous crime. It's crazy seeing the sort of fortifications that people have to come up with in order to live peacefully at home and almost unthinkable to step outside those walls into the general community sometimes. It feels like a long way from getting better.

The most of the economic growth of Africa is based on the economic activity of South Africa.Because the South Africa is the important one.When South Africa into Europe,people of full development need to wait till the completion was over.The issue should be short earlier to avoid huge fight betwee the African nation and their brothers.So South Africa economy will affect full Africa economy.

South Africa is really in a quandary right now, and not only because of the possible supply of weapons to Russia to wage war against Ukraine. The BRICS summit is approaching, and South Africa, as the host country, must decide how to deal with Putin's possible visit to this summit. An arrest warrant has been issued for him by the International Criminal Court, and South Africa is a member of this organization and should arrest Putin when visiting its territory.
Apparently, they wanted to resolve this issue by the arrival of a number of leaders of African states, including those from South Africa, to Ukraine, allegedly on a peacekeeping mission. Therefore, one of the group's first proposals was to suspend the ICC warrant for Putin's arrest. But this plan was not destined to come true. Therefore, South Africa continues to look for a way out.

as a citizen of Ukraine, and related to the situation in the country, I can say a few interesting facts.
1. "The Russian army is the second army in the world in terms of power and technology" - FAKE! Proven, on the territory of Ukraine.
2. After the defeat of the army of terrorists of the Russian Federation, in the Kharkiv region and in the south of Ukraine, Russia began to beg for ordinary weapons from all countries that did not support the sanctions, or did not fully support the sanctions. The range of such countries is small. Cambodia SOLD Russia, T34 tanks . Iran, the right hand of the international terrorist Russia, SOLD them UAVs, cartridges for small arms. North Korea SOLD "Great Russia" systems for MLRS, such as "Grad". For one thing, North Korea sold to Russia, the standard Chinese 82-caliber mines that we found in Ukraine, freeing the territories temporarily occupied by Russia. Yes, we assumed that these were Chinese supplies, but China, frightened, quickly provided all the documents that showed that these batches of mines were delivered to North Korea, and then "great Russia" begged for them

In the same way, there are facts of the supply of basic weapons from the "repositories" of South Africa. And they are confirmed by the facts of detection of weapons, with the marking of South Africa in Ukraine. Now the question is - are these "official deliveries of South Africa", or did someone take advantage of the situation and make illegal deliveries? If this was a concerted move by the South African government, it turns out by law that South Africa is an accomplice of international terrorists, and will legally receive sanctions! I don't see any problems!

https://www.reuters.com/article/ukraine-crisis-safrica-idAFKBN2X30KM

While it is understandable that you may perceive the United States as flexing its power in international affairs, it's important to note that countries often pursue their own interests and employ various strategies to protect and promote those interests. Sanctions can be one of the tools used by countries to express disapproval or to pressure other nations in response to perceived actions or policies.

Not everything is as clear as it seems at first glance. The South African authorities do not really want to spoil relations with the West because of Russia and its Putin dictatorship.

After a row with the US ambassador, who accused South Africa of supplying weapons to Russia, the South African currency, the rand, fell sharply against the US dollar. This is bad news for a country already struggling with a failing energy system, chronic unemployment and crumbling infrastructure.

  South Africa is now also facing another diplomatic headache as it tries to decide whether to uphold an invitation it extended to Vladimir Putin to visit Johaesburg in August for the BRICS summit scheduled for August 22-24.

On May 31, Undersecretary for SOEs Obed Bapela told the BBC that the country wants legislation to allow it to decide whether to arrest leaders wanted by the ICC. But a spokesman for the South African Justice Department, speaking on condition of anonymity, told Reuters that Parliament would not have time to pass the law before the summit. This is in addition to the fact that such a legal act would violate, in fact, the law on the ratification of the Rome Statute.

Because South Africa continues to look for ways to get out of a difficult situation. They are even considering the option of asking China to host the BRICS summit instead of South Africa.

The West need to realize that they can't just sanction everyone. Recently they threatened South Africa with sanctions, for refusing to side with them against Russia. Now South Africa has joined other BRICS nations, to work towards a common currency for the bloc. Details here:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-06-01/brics-nations-say-new-currency-may-offer-shield-from-sanctions

Having a common currency will help these countries to circumvent unjustified sanctions and threats from countries such as the United States and the United Kingdom. Meanwhile, BRICS is currently dealing with membership requests from more than 20 countries, including Saudi Arabia.

What's this? A little fuck you to US? That wouldn't sit well with the rest of the world!

That's basically what SA's asking for with this amazing maneuver. They wanted to help terrorism and the invasion of territories but do not want to suffer the consequences of their actions when shit hits the fan. Of course the South Africans who are once again got nothing to do with this situation are going to suffer the brunt of the work from various NATO colonies as per usual. Although I don't think an outfront attack will happen cause that's basically asking for war.

In any case, South Africa is definitely going to be in a massive problem once the dust settles, this basically outs them as someone who confides with the Putin and their crooked beliefs but whatever, let's just see how things pan out.

if it happens to south africa. it is so difficult when we see two camps fighting each other and our country has closeness between the two. the fear is for their civilians who should not interfere with wars but are indirectly affected by them. I think they should end this war soon.

Well anything can happen and when US politics takes on the nuances of accusation then one way or another we will eventually know which way opinion is going. What's more, South Africa is part of the BRICS whose economic condition is currently being watched by US allies. To that end, US geopolitics will continue to be hyped up as time goes on as the Presidential election draws closer. From the start, the US will look for the slightest fault in South Africa, it will continue to be used as a basis, remembering that targeting the BRICS alliance, the country's lowest choice in terms of the economy will be annihilated first.

If you would be curious to find out how apartheid ended you might have a shock to learn that a huge influence in this was caused by US and western companies boycotting everything from RSA and retreating from the country basically threatening the whole economy.

So, if you were an oppressed South African you would see the whole thing different.


What's the name of the fantasy world where this things you mention are true?
An economy the size of Romania, 90th place by GDP per capita in the world and so reliant on trade that the first thing will trigger a meltdown, strongest economy in Africa and an electricity crisis for 15  years are just not compatible.

Well, it looks like South Africa political neutrality are counting in their favor now, because the US are not in the position to talk with Russia about Peace in this war with the Ukrainians ...due to their hostile approach towards Russia.

South Africa on the other end, stayed neutral and they are talking to both countries to establish some grounds for peace talks. You can go in with all guns blazing like the Americans or you can simply extend your hand and get a political solution for the war, like the South Africans are doing. 

"I want to put my fingers in a socket, but I don't think it's fair to get electrocuted!"
This is exactly what the described problem sounds like.
Do not believe it, but the solution is extremely simple - do not mess with terrorist regimes, do not help them destroy the population of other countries, and do not become terrorists' assistants - and there will be no problems!
Yes, there is of course a nuance - the international criminal Putin, found "points" of influence on some countries / governments
  - tools - from blackmail and empty promises to a game on the theme of "rejection of the dollar" and promises of "a comfortable existence in the new world." But following the lead of a criminal is not the best way.

At the same time, we must not forget that BRICS is also not salvation. BRICS is a project for the yuanization of all members of the group, think about this too

If that's true it will not every country in Africa, African is a continent that has different countries in it, the way I seen African it's one of the large continent if their will be a problem or challenges facing some African countries it's few and not all the African continent, in your statement you are making your analysis as ever African is a country of one nation while it's comprises different nation's as Asia and European nations.

It's more than two weeks now, has the accusations been confirmed or not or this was just a false accusations on South Africa. I read the news some days ago and I saw that a politician in south Africa responsible for arms has replied stating that this news was false and no arms were sent to Russia. South Africa can't support Russia because they're enemies from back when Russia was in or called the Soviet union.

Assuming this news was to be true and South Africa did get sanctioned, South Africa shouldn't have been in trouble because they're or one of the strongest economy in Africa and they control Africa. They would have fought back and stop exportation from Africa to America.