Topic: South Africa in trouble. (Read 723 times)

If anything happens to South Africa economy, it is not going to affect African economy because already Africans there are complaining of harsh relation from the citizens of South Africa and the foreigners are already leaving their country for them and traveling to Europe and other countries. For the past 10 years plus, South Africa have been known with xenophobic attacks on foreigners, people don't transact much with them anymore and I read they are now struggling with their economy because some of their facilities are deteriorating like electricity. If they are to face sanctions from US and NATO, it will not affect African economy.

The real problem in Africa is that some "dogs of the Kremlin" decided, at the behest of an international criminal, to launch "colorful coups" - Guinea, Mali, Niger, Sudan....
Since 2020, there have been coup attempts in eight countries in West Africa and the Sahel region. Of these, five have been successful, three have not.
Meanwhile, of the 17 coups d'états that have taken place in the world since 2017, 16 have occurred in Africa.

And this is a map. Does nothing seem strange to you ?



 PS About Russian flags at the "people's" I will not talk about

As we know that the South African state has an important role for Africa, if there is a problem with South Africa, for example, getting an economic embargo from the USA and Europe, it is certain to make the African continent affected directly, and we hope that this problem will soon end in peace .

If you remember that South Africa is a member of BRICS nation, then such news will not be a surprise to you. Part of the reasons for joining bodies like BRICS, NATO, AU, ECOWAS and what have you is primarily to support member states in terms of trade, information and material sharing and other areas. Therefore, it should not be strange if this news is true... maybe people will just become political about it because when NATO member states share resources, it does not cause much problems.

Anyone paying attention would have notice that the world is heading towards two dominant powers: "Army of the East and Army of the West". As a matter of fact, nations are already aligning to reflect this realities. All the proxy wars happening here and there is between both powers: from Syria to Ukraine, Sudan and Niger (in the pipeline).

I believe South African government already know a day like this will come and should be prepared for the consequences. Indeed, the future of humanity is looking bleak everyday and I wonder when the world will ever be peaceful again.

This mentality should be stopped else africa will continue to be the slave of western world. The inferiority is alarming. US is doing more than enough and no country attempt to question them. South Africa and Africa at large should not be interrupted with the threat of sanction. The earlier Africans stand for themselves and stop the mentality of being inferior, the better for them.

Tell me, what are FACTS for you?
Facts for me:
- An Iranian general with a smirk declares that the Russians sent a party of Shaheds.
- the intelligence services of many countries have stated that deliveries are made by aviation and the Caspian Sea.
- I have ONE OF MANY UAVs shot down at night 1.5 km from my apartment, which is 100% consistent with the Shahed XXX Model.
- when disassembling the remains of downed vehicles - inside I see assembly markings in Persian, structural elements with Iranian markings.
Are these not facts? Believe me, large sets of information (wreckage, photos, intercepts of conversations, documentation, etc.) have already been collected and transferred to investigators of international organizations ...

Regarding South Africa, they were unable to deliver and handed over ammunition to a terrorist comrade, they were "caught" along the way, "by the hand." And the investigation is ongoing, because. Russia is trying through all the "holes" to get at least some help ....

Arms race is gradually taking over the world and it's economy today and if caution is not applied soon enough I see a third World War rooting out soon and when this happens nations of the third world down to the First World will surely be affected greatly.
Nations  aiding a warring nation with arms Rather than talk peace as an advice to them is considered a "proxy war" And as such things may never go well between the third party and their Allies opponent in time to come because war and the trauma that comes with it is no something anyone can never  forget hurriedly.

American accusation on South Africa for me is merely same coin of different sides because they have always been the masterminds of arms race among warring nations over the  years  so I believe that their Economic  sanction On South Africa will not hinder Africa's economy rather it will grant her (Africa) an opportunity to make new economic friends.

Countries engaging in disruptive activities can indeed stir discord. Still, hurling allegations without thorough understanding and undeniable proof is dangerous. Reflect upon the Iran and South Africa scenario you referenced. Yes, if true, it's worrying. But remember, global politics can often veil truth behind diplomatic facades and strategic maneuvers.

In terms of the "peacekeeping mission," such actions often hide ulterior motives. However, branding them as 'advancing terrorist interests' may be a simplistic viewpoint. The impact of supporting a so-called 'international terrorist country' can indeed be dire. Yet, the path to resolving such complexities is strewn with obstacles.

The Iranian government has already been fairly well documented in that they have supplied and continue to supply drones to Russia. With the supply of weapons from South Africa, indeed, so far, as far as I know, there is no unambiguously confirmed information. Therefore, if they did not supply weapons and are not going to supply them to Russia, then they have nothing to fear.

In Russia, the defense industry is now really working at its full potential. But there are two problems here. First: Russia cannot produce high-precision weapons in the same quantities due to the sanctions, although it uses the opportunity to partially bypass them. And secondly, the Armed Forces of Ukraine destroy military equipment much faster than it is produced in Russia. So there is still a problem.

What doesn't seem logical to you? Russia has its "friends of terror", there are "hand dogs" and there are partners for whom "money doesn't smell".

As for Iran - everything is proven, there is a huge evidence base on the use of Iranian UAVs against peaceful cities of Ukraine. There is something not logical here?

South Africa is also "exposed" in hidden ammunition deliveries. An investigation is still on its way.
In addition, I would like to add that the President of South Africa came to us in Kiev not so long ago as part of the so-called "peacekeeping mission of African countries". Do you know what he thinks it looks like to stop Russia's terrorist war against Ukraine, which for some reason he calls "conflict" ? The main points:
- Drop the criminal case against Putin
- Lifting sanctions against Russia
- Accept the annexation of territories
- Agree to Russia's terms.
... and there will be peace.

It's called propping up terrorist interests. I understand that russia is "bursting at the seams" and they send all their "hand dogs" to beg for a pause, without which russia is guaranteed to slide into the abyss... But these are futile attempts.
And remember - those who are backing an international terrorist country, and consequently those who directly or indirectly support the attempted destruction of Ukraine, will "get what they deserve." For the international crime of the 21st century everyone - from the perpetrator to his assistants - will be responsible!  Therefore, I strongly recommend to the people of the countries where the pro-Kremlin "mutts" sit at the head to change this regime, because the population, unfortunately, will also share the responsibility for the actions of such rulers.

The people of South Africa are already beginning to feel this responsibility on themselves, a "good" example that is better not to be repeated

This entire argument doesn't sound logical for me. Initially they were accusing Iran of supplying drones to the Russian Armed Forces and now they are accusing South Africa. As far as I know, South Africa is a net importer of weapons. What is the need for Russia to import weapons from this country, when the manufacturing facilities within Russia are operating at full-strength? I guess these arguments are levelled against South Africa because they refused to join the Western bloc in enforcing sanctions against Russia. However, I really doubt whether such coercive actions would make any change in their stance. It can have the opposite effect.

First of all Zoom is already a great response, they still welcome him, but neither have a trouble, both South Africa keeps supporting Russia by giving him the screen time and letting him speak at BRICS meeting just as they wanted to, but also at the same time we are talking about him not setting foot in the nation and not forcing anyone to arrest him.

That is why this would make sense, with the whole Wagner situation recently, I am sure that there are more important things Putin tries to handle first, but at the end of the day as long as nations collaborate together against the western block, it is not going to be simple for west anymore, they won't be able to rule with iron fist however they want just like they did so far.

Yeah right, and one page from this topic we have this:
Power outages causes huge economic loss in south Africa.
Growth? What growth?
South African economy slumps in Q4



On what planet do you spend your morning newspaper reading time? Cause you need to come back to earth!
And btw, Canada produces twice as many diamonds as South Africa which barely has 5% of the global production!
The US is donating via USAID 10 times the value of all diamond imports for food security, who do you think will end up in trouble?

South Africa has not only a problem with the possible supply of weapons to Russia for use in the war against Ukraine.
South Africa invited Russian President Vladimir Putin to take part in the BRICS summit, which is scheduled for August 22-24. Putin is wanted by the International Criminal Court for the kidnapping of Ukrainian children, and as a member of the court, South Africa will be under an obligation to arrest him if he turns up.

South Africa has refused to support sanctions against Russia or condemn its aggression against Ukraine. However, the issuance of an arrest warrant for Putin by the International Criminal Court for the forced deportation of Ukrainian children from Russian-occupied territory has put South Africa's ruling party in an awkward position.

The South African authorities announced in April that they intended to withdraw from the Rome Statute, but then announced that the Republic of South Africa remains a member of the International Criminal Court and will continue to consistently apply international law. It was also reported that South Africa asked Vladimir Putin not to come to the BRICS summit, but to participate via Zoom. How will this problem be solved for South Africa,

Of course this is news that often makes headlines in many media, accusations that south Africa is supplying weapons to Russia of course need accurate evidence, and hopefully this is not proven so that south Africa can escape heavy sanctions, we know that currently south Africa is developing and be the hope for many countries in Africa.

With the allegations that there are certainly the United States government will not remain silent,
I hope it's not true and escape sanctions,
just imagine if South Africa is proven to be supplying weapons to Russia then big sanctions will await it and that will also have an impact on many things for South Africa.

The selfish and self-serving South Africa should know this before they do the ignoble and shameful act where thousands of people have been killed. I was moved with tears on Wednesday when I read that over 139 children have been killed in the war initiated by the tyrant Putin. These are innocent children whose lives were just cut short, and for South Africa to be indirectly supporting the war is heartless, they deserve to be sanctioned.

Mind you, businesses would move elsewhere within Africa if the sanction is unbearable for them, it's the Xenophobic country that will face the largest brunt.

Personally, I would have loved it if they also let Cyril Ramaphosa face the charge before ICC after his tenure, so that this will be a deterrent to other countries' leaders.

It's simple, they would turn to other countries if the sanction is so severe. Without South Africa, they will surely survive, it might only be tough at first. No country can't be independent of.

I'm afraid this accusation is true, the US will not open their mouth on such a big allegation if there is no proof for it. Only that it's not a direct shipment of arms and ammunition but supplies of the materials that could be made into weapons.

A very big shame to South Africa for this!

Another piece of news that will affect other countries on the African continent: the African countries that supported Putin will be deprived of European aid!
After Russia started its war in Ukraine, almost half of the African countries did not support the UN resolution condemning the invasion: 25 abstained or were absent, and Eritrea sided with Moscow.
"Some African countries have expressed their support for Russia. We will be watching them," he said, adding that overall the government plans to cut financial aid to developing countries by about one billion euros. The new cabinet will start work on June 20.
Finland, through international programs and organizations, annually allocates several billion euros in aid to developing countries.
Soon the whole EU will support the initiative.
Well, let's be honest - to support and finance those who support a country which leads economic terrorism against the EU and has unleashed a terrorist war in Europe is the height of idiocy!

It is hard to imagine that every wrong move by every country can bring disaster to everyone. If it is true or not or if there are such illegal activities in South Africa, they can give danger in their place. We know that just talking about arms gives fear to every country so we can't blame if the other country takes steps to strengthen their jurisdiction. Its better if South Africa would  be progressive for the better future of their country and its constituents.

First of all i am sure even if South Africa did supply arms to Russia, this thing will never completely get confirmed because even NATO would not want to give heat to the issue of war once again because if Sanctions are brought it'll slowly start becoming the World vs NATO. Some people labelling BRICS here, it has nothing to do with that, it's a non defensive union so no diplomacy around defense would be played there. But in general it would leave a bad impression for the NATO doing this. Secondly even if It's proved there is unlikely chance again to put sanctions on South Africa, US is already on brink of collapse with Russian sanctions, South Africa is diamond provider for world it'll create new issues in global supply chain again which obviously US won't be able to handle.