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Quote from: Die_empty on May 13, 2023, 05:19:49 AM

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You are absolutely correct because the latest news is that the US ambassador that made the allegations have apologized to South Africa for making such an allegation without concrete evidence......This might be an intimidation strategy by the West to make South Africa reduce its commitment to the BRICS alliance or an administrative or diplomatic blunder by Reuben E. Brigety.

We can only guess but history tells us that US has been bullying many countries and South Africa will not be an exemption. They were able to sell the story of weapons of mass destruction for invading Iraq and Afghanistan before so they think they can make other false allegations without any serious repercussions.

I doubt it's just a blunder of the ambassador. The US is probably testing the waters for now. I won't be surprised if they come up with another accusation and claim that it's "against US interest".

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It is very possible. And it won't be surprising at all. On the contrary, South Africa secretly sending weapons and ammunitions to Russia is even quite expected. They're members of the same gang. And the country is obviously showing which side she is on. She's not hiding it. She's with China and Russia and the rest of the BRICS gang. Not only is the country a member of the group since 2010, it is the current chair and will host the BRICS summit this year. South Africa also abstained in the UN vote last year regarding Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

However, I doubt if the country is afraid of being sanctioned by the US. The country seems to feel confident, safe and secure with China and Russia's group.

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Quote from: Hispo on May 27, 2023, 06:54:51 PM

Anyways, If African countries start to suffer sanctions it would only mean more territory to be taken over by Chinese diplomacy, sadly.

yeah i think so too. that if sanctions were imposed on southern Africa, this would in fact make China and Russia perhaps more flexible and take the opportunity to be closer to Africa diplomatically. Or even by looking at the diplomacy between south Africa and BRICS members which is actually very closely intertwined then I think south Africa will even be fine. because at least fellow BRICS members, of course they will continue to help each other economically as long as they can mutually benefit one another. I still remember when Russia was sanctioned. and in fact Russia looks fine at the moment. and instead the US is currently heading into a recession and is still at war with inflation. I hope the world doesn't have many conflicts that can heat up the current atmosphere which is already very hot.

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In my opinion, It would kind of makes sense South Africa sent those weapons to Russia, because they are both important members of the BRICS, arent they?
Perhaps the Kremlin offered something very tempting to the government of south África, like a very important role in the inclusion on the post-dollar economy they allegedly try to build together.

Anyways, If African countries start to suffer sanctions it would only mean more territory to be taken over by Chinese diplomacy, sadly.

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Quote from: BIT-BENDER on May 14, 2023, 10:41:48 AM

Logically speaking I would say it's all false. South Africa might be a big nation in Africa and probably theost stable African country but how do they stand in the world in terms of economy? For now they don't have that weapon sophistication to be able to supply Russia weapons in this current Russia and Ukraine war.

I believe the reason why the rand is falling is because of the FUD this news has already created and the South African economy has taking the heat.
I think the South African government should urgently try very much to debunk this if it's a rumors because the longer the rumors keeps flying the more the Rand may keep falling against the Us dollar.

Probably because South Africa is an allied of Russias as a member of BRICS, and this rumor created as US already saw this coming and the only way to attack a country is through economic sanctions. Well, South Africa have to prove their innocence though if the US government made this accusation, i think they already have the evidence for this and sooner or later, sanctions will start to be imposed. This can totally affect the African nations, let’s just wait for further news regarding this one before panicking.

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Quote from: Accardo on May 12, 2023, 05:03:13 AM

South Africa being a member of the Five leading economies BRICS with an economy huge enough to influence the whole Africa doesn't mean Africans in different countries should fidget over their sanctions. Aside the presence or help of South Africa, countries like Seychelles, Nigeria, Libya, Egypt have large economies enough to sustain them in businesses. Like you mentioned the neighboring countries to Africa like Zimbabwe should be worried about this new development. Because it has been confirmed by the USA that South Africa gave out Arm to Russia to continue invading Ukraine. They're close allies and it'll be difficult for South Africa not to help Russia with weapons during war times despite their promise to remain neutral.

Is it difficult for the Republic of South Africa not to support Russia during the war? Well, if they didn’t figure it out or deliberately support Russia, which attacked the neighboring state of Ukraine and wants to destroy it by military means and, in this way, help the aggressor to commit crimes against humanity and world security, then only the South African government is to blame. Moreover, it seems that Russia's weapons are supplied secretly, which means that South Africa is quite clearly aware of its illegal actions. South Africa will not be in trouble in the form of sanctions if this country stops providing assistance to a terrorist country. There is always a choice.

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Quote from: Die_empty on May 12, 2023, 03:31:48 AM

The recent accusation by US Ambassador Reuben E. Brigety that South Africa sent arms to Russia is making investors sell off the South African rand and bonds. Investors are scared that the US and its allies will hit the country with severe economic sanctions. The rand has lost value since the news was published, the currency is now 19.3250 against the dollar, its weakest in three years.

If it is confirmed that South Africa sent weapons and ammunition to Russia, the country will suffer economic problems because of sanctions. It will also be a big blow to the African economy because South Africa is the economic powerhouse of Africa. Many South African countries like Zimbabwe, Botswana Mozambique, Namibia, Eswatini, etc, depend on South Africa economically. South Africa also employs a greater number of Africans because they have many striving multinational firms.

As an African, I pray this accusation is not true because a sanction on South Africa is a sanction on the entire Africa.

So because US is ordained and specially created by God, they have supreme power to rule the world the way they like, who is US? An entity cannot rule forever, if they brought Democracy to the world to follow, they should also know that and lead by example that another country will take from where they stop. Whatever Russia is doing today, they learned it from US and they graduated and upgraded their own and US now feel threaten, they better don't do anything silly or come close to Africa, the world is not like how it used to be, things have change, if they sanction South Africa, there are wide alternatives and the earth will remain the same.

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Quote from: uneng on May 13, 2023, 12:30:18 PM

Well, on the political environment we never know exactly who is telling the truth, or if any of them is telling the truth... I believe all you can do is to expect South African government is doing the right thing thinking on the welfare of their citizens and neighboor nations. That is, to hope the government isn't helping Russia with ammo and weapons on the backgrounds, imagining nobody is going to discover it.

That would be a big mistake from them, because once the west forces find out, there will be lots of negative consequences on the way... It really doesn't worth for South Africa the risk of helping Russia and being dragged to the hell with them side by side.

What you said is true, maybe whatever decision African governments make is always in the interest of their constituent citizens. And I just hope that the news will not reach them that it will be ugly. You know that in the news there are added and subtracted stories.

Simply reporting or spreading fud can really cause chaos and the number one affected are the people under the control of the African government. I hope they made the right decision.

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Logically speaking I would say it's all false. South Africa might be a big nation in Africa and probably theost stable African country but how do they stand in the world in terms of economy? For now they don't have that weapon sophistication to be able to supply Russia weapons in this current Russia and Ukraine war.

I believe the reason why the rand is falling is because of the FUD this news has already created and the South African economy has taking the heat.
I think the South African government should urgently try very much to debunk this if it's a rumors because the longer the rumors keeps flying the more the Rand may keep falling against the Us dollar.

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I think the USA rarely make empty accusations, but an Ambassador may express something that doesn't reflect the official US position. South Africa is denying sending weapons, but they would deny it regardless of whether it's true or not, just as Iran is obviously sending a lot to Russia but officially denies its involvement. The South African situation will probably have a follow-up with either a clarification from the US government or perhaps we'll see some weapons on the battlefield in Ukraine that will prove their involvement. If they support Russia, they should suffer from sanction, but if they don't, I don't think sanctions will be imposed.

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Quote from: Die_empty on May 12, 2023, 03:31:48 AM

The recent accusation by US Ambassador Reuben E. Brigety that South Africa sent arms to Russia is making investors sell off the South African rand and bonds. Investors are scared that the US and its allies will hit the country with severe economic sanctions. The rand has lost value since the news was published, the currency is now 19.3250 against the dollar, its weakest in three years.

If it is confirmed that South Africa sent weapons and ammunition to Russia, the country will suffer economic problems because of sanctions. It will also be a big blow to the African economy because South Africa is the economic powerhouse of Africa. Many South African countries like Zimbabwe, Botswana Mozambique, Namibia, Eswatini, etc, depend on South Africa economically. South Africa also employs a greater number of Africans because they have many striving multinational firms.

As an African, I pray this accusation is not true because a sanction on South Africa is a sanction on the entire Africa.

Whether it's true or not because Africa is much closer to Russia these days. Or indeed as a form of support to get out of the dollarization zone. Africa already knows the consequences and knows how America will act against them. Instead of America being concerned about the country's economic condition, Russia has come and given its open arms to rebuild the financial system. The goal is to beat back the crisis that America is experiencing. At present, as we all know, America is busy printing money on a large scale, which means that it does not have time to take care of foreign countries before they really restore public confidence in the resilience of the declining value of the dollar.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 13, 2023, 03:36:27 AM

According to recent BBC news US ambassador Reuben Brigety said the weapons and ammunition were loaded onto a Russian ship. The report triggered fears that US would take action against South Africa.
Sanction on South Africa means sanction on the entire Africa, I am not saying what is happening that what is true or false, but this sanction by US ambassador to South Africa can ruin their economic stability.
South African President, Ramaphosa, said there would be an independent inquiry into the allegation. And yes it is very crucial to wait for more information and evidences before impose more allegation to South Africa by US.

Tell me what is your priority:
- some dubious economic stability of South Africa,
- or the fact that South Africa helps, and in fact is a partner of the country of an international terrorist, and support world terrorism. As well as the real massacres of the civilian population, the total destruction of the peaceful cities of Ukraine, as well as the destruction of the industrial infrastructure and economy of the largest European country?
Let's compare the real impact of the two processes on the world economy, and for one and the moral side of both processes?

PS. As I understand it, you will oppose punishing a robber and a murderer who attacks you, because this can lead to a deterioration in the standard of living in his family? I understand correctly ?

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Well, on the political environment we never know exactly who is telling the truth, or if any of them is telling the truth... I believe all you can do is to expect South African government is doing the right thing thinking on the welfare of their citizens and neighboor nations. That is, to hope the government isn't helping Russia with ammo and weapons on the backgrounds, imagining nobody is going to discover it.

That would be a big mistake from them, because once the west forces find out, there will be lots of negative consequences on the way... It really doesn't worth for South Africa the risk of helping Russia and being dragged to the hell with them side by side.

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I hope that this news is not true, or else many Africans will be affected by that matter and it is not a joke. It's already a poor country, and it will sink even further into poverty if that happens to be true. And the number one hit there is the economy of African countries, that's for sure. So does that also mean that there is still no confirmation were the rumor is true? I really hope it's not true. Good luck in the African country.

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Quote from: Bushdark on May 12, 2023, 03:10:17 PM

I still don't know why the United States likes flexing there power even though they are the world power here.

I think very countries has the choice to join any association or group that they want without any issue. If South Africa would be sanctioned for this because they join BRICS then we all going to know that this is based on sentiment.

The U.S. is in a proxy war with Russia and they don't plan on directly getting involved so sanctions are the next viable solution. Nevermind that sanctions have already weakened the U.S. dollar beyond repair, which would in turn strengthen Russian RUB. They simply see sanctions as a winning strategy and accept the collateral damage. BRICS is a danger to the U.S./NATO, so even if South Africa were not supplying arms to Russia, the U.S. doesn't want additional countries to form close alliances with adversaries.

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Quote from: Die_empty on May 12, 2023, 03:31:48 AM

The recent accusation by US Ambassador Reuben E. Brigety that South Africa sent arms to Russia is making investors sell off the South African rand and bonds. Investors are scared that the US and its allies will hit the country with severe economic sanctions.

They have been putting surveillance on other countries as well to know if they are taking any underground deal with Russia in other for them to give sanction, but i don't want to believe if this fact is yet established and confirmed that they have any engagement with Russia which in other hands shouldn't be a call for panic becsu they will receive a warning sign before imposing sanction on them.

Quote from: Die_empty on May 12, 2023, 03:31:48 AM

The rand has lost value since the news was published, the currency is now 19.3250 against the dollar, its weakest in three years.

This might be a coincidental experience since many countries have undergone this, it may be due to poor economy performance, inflation drop in the country's GDP and many other reasons.

Quote from: Die_empty on May 12, 2023, 03:31:48 AM

If it is confirmed that South Africa sent weapons and ammunition to Russia, the country will suffer economic problems because of sanctions.

South Africa will definitely face an ugly consequence if found to be involved, also i don't think South Africa has the tenacity and capacity to render arms this much to Russia because it's also not the best in possession of enough arms among other top countries.

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If this allegation is true,it means that South Africa economy will be shattered apart,and this will bring big effect on the Africa economy at large. If SA really did the ammunition supply to Russia secretly,then they should be ready to face the consequences because US wouldn't tolerate such assist from SA to Russia. It will be like a challenge to the US government and NATO who is strongly supporting Ukraine. SA should have known this,that if they are caught it will bring sanction on them from doing business with the western world and should have made preparation for whatever the outcome will be,and if nothing has been put in place to face the consequences, I must say that SA made a wrong move that will affect the whole Africa due to their own selfish interest. If it is not true, then we don't need to worry ourselves about this accusation because the truth will be revealed with time and there will be no sanction on SA.

Quote from: Die_empty on May 13, 2023, 05:19:49 AM

the US ambassador that made the allegations have apologized to South Africa for making such an allegation without concrete evidence.

But now that the is allegation from the US ambassador have started affecting their economy who will take responsibility of it and what will the US do to revive SA rand and how will SA be compensated. The ambassador is a basket mouth.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on May 13, 2023, 04:50:58 AM

Well, the US must just make sure that their accusations are correct, because the South African government already made a Press statement that the Russian boat in the South African harbor where downloading food and supplies for their Russian embassy in South Africa.

South Africa forms part of the BRICS countries, so it is clear where their loyalties are... but economically that is a gamble. Everyone know the USA are in trouble and some countries are trying to distance them from that trouble.... South Africa are one of those countries. Roll Eyes

You are absolutely correct because the latest news is that the US ambassador that made the allegations have apologized to South Africa for making such an allegation without concrete evidence. This is a serious allegation that can ruin the political, social, and economic sectors of a country. South Africa has insisted that they are committed to its political neutrality and Arms Control Act. This might be an intimidation strategy by the West to make South Africa reduce its commitment to the BRICS alliance or an administrative or diplomatic blunder by Reuben E. Brigety.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-65572154

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Well, the US must just make sure that their accusations are correct, because the South African government already made a Press statement that the Russian boat in the South African harbor where downloading food and supplies for their Russian embassy in South Africa.

South Africa forms part of the BRICS countries, so it is clear where their loyalties are... but economically that is a gamble. Everyone know the USA are in trouble and some countries are trying to distance them from that trouble.... South Africa are one of those countries. Roll Eyes

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Economic sanctions will certainly be a tough thing for any country. Not just south africa but if it's any other bigger country if it accepts economic sanctions then things will get worse. And if this is about South Africa then of course it will greatly affect other African countries there. but let's hope that the issue is not true and hopefully no economic sanctions will be imposed on South Africa.

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