Topic: SpaceX and the prospects of Mars colonization. - page 13. (Read 31904 times)

10 Years?

Apollo put men on the Moon 7 years after it started, right?

That was a space program that basically, the entire American economy was dedicated to.

You just don't have that sort of spirit about going to Mars. And you don't get the required funding without it.

Whatever ends up happening, I think the whole thing is a good thing. It seems to be stimulating a huge amount of development. I don't follow everything that Musk does, but I have seen him talk about the possibility of having rockets transport people around the earth 10 times faster than current planes do. As far as I know, this is sort of a byproduct of all the development that's happening with rockets at SpaceX, partly with the goal of going to Mars. It's a classic example of the old Apple commercial, "Those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do." Musk is changing the world.

Living a digital life on a virtual world won't exclude real space exploration.

Some will prefer to live on fantasy worlds, some will live on both worlds and some will live only on the real world.

If we are still around, we will escape the red giant phase of our Sun. This is one of the reasons to explore space.

Actually, we might even have technology to save Earth, by changing its orbit, delay the death of the Sun,  limit its expansion or other alternatives.

People arguing that humans are destroying biodiversity (which, of course, is true) and that Earth would be better if we never existed, nevertheless forget that, right now, we are the only hope of life to still be here in about 1 billion years.

No doubt, 3D immersive digital worlds will be a reality soon and many people will live there, including artificial intelligences created as copies of us, as a way to avoid dying without a trace.

Start working on your memories, as a way to assure that the copy will be faithful.

Converting actual living humans into digital people will be always problematic, because it will be hard to escape the impression that we just committed suicide and a copy of us (that isn't us, but just a copy) was created.

It will be possible to work out a very slow change, neuron by neuron, cell by cell, as they die, creating an artificial one in its place.

The end result will be more or less us as much as we are us every year.

Taking in account that we are also just copies of ourselves, since we do a natural cloning process more or less every year: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/if-98-of-the-atoms-in-our-body-are-replaced-in-just-1-year-what-are-we-1432165

But this won't be possible on a digital conversion. So, ceasing to exist on the real world to live only on a digital one will always be a hard decision, unless we are about to die in the real world.

This project will need lots of funding to continue. I agree with the other comments about SpaceX being too impractical. I heard about a more viable solution though. Companies and scientists are exploring both virtual and augmented realities to create a virtual world where humanity can live even long after our planet is destroyed. That's why there's so much hype being created now about headsets, AR glasses, even VR in movies. What do you think about technology already paving the way for our future?

SpaceX's Crew Dragon is ready (https://www.instagram.com/p/BkQ8w0mFoxa/) but it will have to be subject to more tests, including an unmanned flight, that probably will push its first manned flight to 2019.

The prospects of Mars colonization aren't looking very good right now, you know with Mars being a small holographic object a few thousand miles in the sky and all.

SpaceX destroyed all major competitors on the satellite launching market, United Launch Alliance, the Russian government or the European Ariane.

Moreover, none of their projects of future rockets (including United Launch Alliance's Vulcan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcan_(rocket); or Ariane 6: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariane_6) can beat the current price of SpaceX's Falcon 9 block 5.

The Russians already said they are giving up on the satellite market (https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/04/russia-appears-to-have-surrendered-to-spacex-in-the-global-launch-market/).

We'll see if Blue Origin can compete.

There are also other promising star up companies, like Stratolaunch Systems (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratolaunch_Systems) and Rocket Lab (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_Lab). But with small payloads.

But the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) is still on the game, with some cheap rockets (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Space_Research_Organisation#Future_launch_vehicles).

However, in a few years (we'll see how many), all of the competitors will have to beat the SpaceX's full reusable Big Falcon Rocket.

FTFY

You underestimate the stupidity here, Mars is a light in the sky; a holographic projection of off a mirrored dome that covers the flat and motionless plane that is our Earth. Mars is not a terrestrial world you can travel to any more than an HPS street light. You believe this Jewish mysticism crap like a good goy.

I tell you you're absolutly fucked in the head; everything you believe is a lie. Musk is a Jewish puppet for the military industrial complex, he can't even tie his own shoelaces.




Billions and billions and billions goy!

He has got some very powerful backers in the Senate and they are helping him in getting billions of $$$ in grants from the US government. He is diverting these funds for his own purposes and making the American tax payers idiots.

Elon Musk is founder and CEO of SpaceX. He made his billions. Now the other members of his team need to make theirs. They can always say, later, that they failed regarding Mars... as they live in luxury out surfing on the islands.

colonizing mars seems fantasy come true but the financing required to do so is humongous & many people argue that instead of trying to make mars live able why not try to fix earth coz humans have ruined it lol for eg. if earth is 4.6 billion yrs old, if we assume it to be 46 years then humans have been here for 4 hours and industrial revolution is only a minute old & we have killed 40-50% of vegetation, so to keep "humanity" alive which is pointless, it would be be interesting to see if colony on mars get funded. imo it would be so baller if spacex gets this done.

^^^ Anti-aging is a very complex thing. We are finally finding ways to "jiggle" nature a little, so that it, nature, actually does that anti-aging within us. Too bad the medical is mostly about making money, so they poison us with medication (which is poison) rather than "jiggle" us into anti-aging health.

https://www.ted.com/talks/gwynne_shotwell_spacex_s_plan_to_fly_you_across_the_globe_in_30_minutes

Gwynne Shotwell, president of SpaceX, in her recent TED talk, presented a more acceptable time frame to have the first humans on Mars, within 10 years.

But she has even bigger ambitious than Musk:

"this is the first step in us moving to other solar systems and potentially other galaxies, and I think this is the only time I ever out-vision Elon, because I want to meet other people in other solar systems."

Better start investing on anti-ageing medications or she won't see this on her lifetime.

With the present political and banking climate, wars and bubbles will secure our inability to ever go to Mars except to possible just get there. There will be no meaningful colonization. If we ever start to colonize, it will die out with war and banking collapses back here. We are not even close to understanding the methods of terraforming. We should consider more practical things with our time and money.

It seems that 1 year in space can have epigenetic consequences and mess up the way genes work:

https://futurism.com/nasa-twin-study-kelly-preliminary/

Yeah lets spend money on wars 
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I think it is a cool idea, but not sure if it's worth the cost/time. I think the money can be better spent elsewhere.

Mars has a gravity level of 0.38g relative to Earth's 1g. This is the closest to Earth that can be found on theoretically habitable bodies in the Solar System, , but one of the biggest concerns about Martian colonization is the relatively long trip - six to eight months each way.

http://spacenews.com/spacex-no-longer-planning-crewed-missions-on-falcon-heavy/

Too bad for the trip around the Moon planned for this year.

"SpaceX expects to launch its biggest rocket yet, the Big Falcon Rocket, into orbit in 2020"

https://www.investors.com/news/spacex-sees-2020-bfr-orbital-tests-coo-backs-musk-on-2019-short-hops/

http://spacenews.com/musk-reiterates-plans-for-testing-bfr/


It took SpaceX several years to build and launch Falcon Heavy, with huge delays, they haven't yet launched the Dragon 2 with humans on board, but they expect to build and test the revolutionary (full reusable) Big Falcon Rocket (BFR), with all the safeties to protect humans on a journey to Mars, in 2 years? With some "short hops next year" (limited tests already in 2019, Grasshopper style, with raptors).

This time the imprudent voice wasn't only the one of Elon Musk, but also Gwynne Shotwell. It seems promising too much, too soon, isn't just something natural to Musk, but also to more people at SpaceX.

They already have the engines more or less ready, the raptors, but does SpaceX even has now the 10 billion needed to build the BFR?

I could bet some money that they are going to build it and send it successfully to Mars, with humans on board (with some health problems a few years after their return, but, well, at least they will do something really special), however, their dates are unreal. Actually, Musk calls them "aspirational".

Of course, I would gladly be proven wrong. Too bad I won't.

Anyway, this public compromise suggests that they are full throttle on BFR and that SpaceX might be able to send humans to Mars before 2030.