I like the idea of colonizing Mars, but, as the OP said, it's a tough job to pull off and I am not that convinced that it's the best idea to colonize Mars first. I think there are more chances to go and colonize Venus, a planet that it's similar to Earth in size (so similar gravity), closer to us than Mars and a bit more protective because, unlike Mars, Venus has a magnetic field to protect inhabitants against radiation.
I don't say that you have to live on the surface, because everyone knows on the surface of Venus is living Hell. But you can build floating cities that live high in the atmosphere, where they don't have to endure high pressure and scorching temperatures. Because the atmosphere on Venus is so heavy, it will be easy to float entire cities in it's upper atmosphere.
Topic: SpaceX and the prospects of Mars colonization. - page 9. (Read 31904 times)
Exploding nuclear bombs as a way of propulsion? Come on, the Orion project was crazy.
There are several alternatives, including nuclear:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_propulsion#Spacecraft
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_thermal_rocket
And also thorium small reactors: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nuclear_power
There are several alternatives, including nuclear:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_propulsion#Spacecraft
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_thermal_rocket
And also thorium small reactors: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nuclear_power
Mars colonization hasn't been necessary for thousands of years. It still isn't. The thing that is necessary is people working together rather than against each other. But greed is stopping that from happening.
all of us understand that it is a necessary measure. anyway it is necessary to look for the place, more precisely the planet. just I am afraid that doesn't reach us that it is necessary to protect the planet.
The only way we have a chance of colonizing Mars, is to use the old 1960s Orion Project - https://newatlas.com/orion-project-atom-bomb-spaceship/49454/. This project is an atom bomb propulsion system that really works.
The thing we would have to do is set up space stations that can boost the Orion Project parts from inner space to outer space... outer space, well beyond the Van Allen Belts. There we can set up the atom bomb rockets where the radiation won't hurt anyone, and will be blown away by the solar winds once the rockets start on their journeys. The rockets will be large enough that they will be able to carry landers and all the things we need, to Mars orbit.
If we don't do it this way, we will never make it before the whole world economy collapses.
The thing we would have to do is set up space stations that can boost the Orion Project parts from inner space to outer space... outer space, well beyond the Van Allen Belts. There we can set up the atom bomb rockets where the radiation won't hurt anyone, and will be blown away by the solar winds once the rockets start on their journeys. The rockets will be large enough that they will be able to carry landers and all the things we need, to Mars orbit.
If we don't do it this way, we will never make it before the whole world economy collapses.
He is a compulsive optimist.
Announcing unrealistic dates can put some pressure on his employees, but that can also backfire, since they and the public stop taking him seriously.
Announcing unrealistic dates can put some pressure on his employees, but that can also backfire, since they and the public stop taking him seriously.
It's cool for a private company to be talking about it, but it doesn't advance anything at all. I guess it would be interesting though.
Don't get me wrong, I think Musk soon or later will send the Japanese and their artists to the Moon. And I guess he needs the money. But again he is establishing optimistic dates and is assuming commitments to a date he isn't shore he can fulfill.....
Then he simply has not thought the matter through.
It's cool for a private company to be talking about it, but it doesn't advance anything at all. I guess it would be interesting though.
Don't get me wrong, I think Musk soon or later will send the Japanese and their artists to the Moon. And I guess he needs the money. But again he is establishing optimistic dates and is assuming commitments to a date he isn't shore he can fulfill.
SpaceX just lost a much needed financial support from the American Air Force: http://aviationweek.com/commercializing-space/spacex-loses-out-us-air-force-next-gen-launcher-development
United Launch Alliance (ULA), Blue Origin and Northrop Grumman won the financing.
The Air Force just lost an opportunity to help finance a trip to Mars.
I thought there was an idea of terraforming mars, releasing gasses and creating a planet hospitable to human life..
seemed more logical to me... than spaceX project.
Ive also day-dreamed about the idea of sending DNA 3d printers to Kepler-22b so we can assemble basic lifeforms, on far distant planets so one day when we are in reach of these distant planets and have the technology some primitive ecology will have been already formed.. we just need to conquer it.
seemed more logical to me... than spaceX project.
Ive also day-dreamed about the idea of sending DNA 3d printers to Kepler-22b so we can assemble basic lifeforms, on far distant planets so one day when we are in reach of these distant planets and have the technology some primitive ecology will have been already formed.. we just need to conquer it.
Apparently Mars has already been colonized.
Secret Space programs already exist.
Supposedly that's why the USA wanted to lock Gary Mckinnon and throw away the key....
https://truedisclosure.org/news/solar-warden-inception-to-present-day.html
https://truedisclosure.org/news/interview-with-gary-mckinnon-the-hacker-who-exposed-nasas-secret-ufo-files.html
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Secret Space programs already exist.
Supposedly that's why the USA wanted to lock Gary Mckinnon and throw away the key....
https://truedisclosure.org/news/solar-warden-inception-to-present-day.html
https://truedisclosure.org/news/interview-with-gary-mckinnon-the-hacker-who-exposed-nasas-secret-ufo-files.html
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Based on these, it seems to be that it would be just a dream to go to mars and start a civilization there. But humans are still enhancing their skills and knowledge. This could be a reason for this dream thing turned intoa reality in the future. It would be far before it happen, but I alway believe that what we think can be turned into reality, thus, making this thing more feasible enough.
The only way we can go to Mars in any short time from now, is to twist our minds into such abstractness, that we can open wormholes with our minds, and jump there.
I initially wanted to be at Mars, to explore new things that cannot be seen on Earth but that was just a dream. If I have a large amount of money like Elon has, i would certainly do whatever I want and especially my Passion.
But this man is different, his goals was beyond possible. I can't think that there would be life on Mars and if it has, only a little would survive for a short period of time.
Going there is not easy too.Imagine you must be there in a number of months, then youre ources and supplies might not be enough so you really have to bring a sufficient amount of things you need. I imagine the movies whereas people are being subjected to deep sleep and then dextrosed, only to be awaken up when you are near the place.
It's a lot of ideas. but i would love to join that project.
But this man is different, his goals was beyond possible. I can't think that there would be life on Mars and if it has, only a little would survive for a short period of time.
Going there is not easy too.Imagine you must be there in a number of months, then youre ources and supplies might not be enough so you really have to bring a sufficient amount of things you need. I imagine the movies whereas people are being subjected to deep sleep and then dextrosed, only to be awaken up when you are near the place.
It's a lot of ideas. but i would love to join that project.
Musk is again selling the bear skin before killing it: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/spacex-moon-announcement-elon-musk-reveals-bfr-moon-mission-passenger-yusaku-maezawa-2018-09-18/
He just sold a ticket for a voyage around the moon on 2023 in the BFR that even him is uncertain if he can organize on this year.
I wonder what the other two space tourists that paid a down payment for a similar cancelled voyage on the Falcon Heavy on 2019 are thinking about this.
He just sold a ticket for a voyage around the moon on 2023 in the BFR that even him is uncertain if he can organize on this year.
I wonder what the other two space tourists that paid a down payment for a similar cancelled voyage on the Falcon Heavy on 2019 are thinking about this.
Assume that there exists a capsule good for 7 days life support for one human. Assume there are rockets that will launch that capsule toward the Moon.
Then the capsule can go on a figure 8 type orbit around the Moon, and return to Earth. The capsule will have to be rated for a 36,000 foot per second re entry (normal low earth orbit capsules only have to endure 25,000). Four minutes at 6G during re entry.
It's cool for a private company to be talking about it, but it doesn't advance anything at all. I guess it would be interesting though.
More like a trip for a test pilot than a typical consumer.
Musk is again selling the bear skin before killing it: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/spacex-moon-announcement-elon-musk-reveals-bfr-moon-mission-passenger-yusaku-maezawa-2018-09-18/
He just sold a ticket for a voyage around the moon on 2023 in the BFR that even him is uncertain if he can organize on this year.
He just sold a ticket for a voyage around the moon on 2023 in the BFR that even him is uncertain if he can organize on this year.
Yeah... like 3D printed houses...
Of course that equipment would have tremendous spinoffs on earth.
In fact, 3D printed homes are one of the best up-and-coming investments in the North American countries, and in Western Europe countries, and Australia. Why? They are as little as a 10th of the cost, can use all kinds of waste products in their construction, have better insulation qualities built in, last a lot longer, can be constructed in a few short days rather than many long months, and there is more. Google it.
We need to forget colonizing Mars and expand colonizing earth.
I heard a thought which sounded about, "Why would anybody need to go to Mars if here's enough hardly habitable territories already?" Yet, going there is more of a possibility to do what you want, as it was in the times of great discoveries. If people get chance to survive on Mars without steady supplies from here they may try to build free world yet again.
That's truly impossible. Consider what things you buy on a daily basis, then assume you are on Mars and what fraction of newcessities/luxuries will have to come from Earth.
Basic industrialization of Mars would put the level of local production of product maybe at what could be had or made on Earth in 1850 from NON-LIVING precursors...
What that means is that all the things made from plants and animals in 1850 would not be available on Mars because those plants and animals are not there. But there would be the things made from basic dirt and rock and ores. Not much, right?
Yeah... like 3D printed houses...
Of course that equipment would have tremendous spinoffs on earth.
I heard a thought which sounded about, "Why would anybody need to go to Mars if here's enough hardly habitable territories already?" Yet, going there is more of a possibility to do what you want, as it was in the times of great discoveries. If people get chance to survive on Mars without steady supplies from here they may try to build free world yet again.
That's truly impossible. Consider what things you buy on a daily basis, then assume you are on Mars and what fraction of newcessities/luxuries will have to come from Earth.
Basic industrialization of Mars would put the level of local production of product maybe at what could be had or made on Earth in 1850 from NON-LIVING precursors...
What that means is that all the things made from plants and animals in 1850 would not be available on Mars because those plants and animals are not there. But there would be the things made from basic dirt and rock and ores. Not much, right?
Yeah... like 3D printed houses...
I heard a thought which sounded about, "Why would anybody need to go to Mars if here's enough hardly habitable territories already?" Yet, going there is more of a possibility to do what you want, as it was in the times of great discoveries. If people get chance to survive on Mars without steady supplies from here they may try to build free world yet again.
That's truly impossible. Consider what things you buy on a daily basis, then assume you are on Mars and what fraction of newcessities/luxuries will have to come from Earth.
Basic industrialization of Mars would put the level of local production of product maybe at what could be had or made on Earth in 1850 from NON-LIVING precursors...
What that means is that all the things made from plants and animals in 1850 would not be available on Mars because those plants and animals are not there. But there would be the things made from basic dirt and rock and ores. Not much, right?
I heard a thought which sounded about, "Why would anybody need to go to Mars if here's enough hardly habitable territories already?" Yet, going there is more of a possibility to do what you want, as it was in the times of great discoveries. If people get chance to survive on Mars without steady supplies from here they may try to build free world yet again.
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