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No, they really are not serious. Neither the governments or SpaceX.

For example there is a predicted large asteroid impact in 2104 that can be prevented. But the application of kinetic energy to this threat in 2020 can be done with three orders of magnitude less energy than later in the century.

Is the 2020 opportunity going to be used? Nope.

What is the name for this asteroid? Any relevant links?

I was wondering the same.

Apophos, one of numerous extremely dangerous rocks.

https://cneos.jpl.nasa.gov/sentry/details.html#?des=99942

https://cneos.jpl.nasa.gov

General theory of impact speed calculation.

http://www2.mae.ufl.edu/~uhk/ASTEROID.pdf

But these rocks establish over millions of years, a resonance with the orbit of a planet. For example, one may precisely loop then sun seven times, while the Earth loops six times. This happens over and over.

From observations, we calculate the rock's elliptical path. Three observations is the minimum, and the more there are, the more precise the calculation becomes. First it is established that its path in the ecliptic crosses that of Earth (2D). Then it is only a matter of whether it passes in front of the Earth, or behind the Earth, or strikes the Earth.

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing this information. Found myself browsing about asteroids for quite some time on that CNEOS link Smiley

I am sure that SpaceX rocket tech would be useful for future studies of asteroids.
legendary
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No, they really are not serious. Neither the governments or SpaceX.

For example there is a predicted large asteroid impact in 2104 that can be prevented. But the application of kinetic energy to this threat in 2020 can be done with three orders of magnitude less energy than later in the century.

Is the 2020 opportunity going to be used? Nope.

What is the name for this asteroid? Any relevant links?

I was wondering the same.

Apophos, one of numerous extremely dangerous rocks.

https://cneos.jpl.nasa.gov/sentry/details.html#?des=99942

https://cneos.jpl.nasa.gov

General theory of impact speed calculation.

http://www2.mae.ufl.edu/~uhk/ASTEROID.pdf

But these rocks establish over millions of years, a resonance with the orbit of a planet. For example, one may precisely loop then sun seven times, while the Earth loops six times. This happens over and over.

From observations, we calculate the rock's elliptical path. Three observations is the minimum, and the more there are, the more precise the calculation becomes. First it is established that its path in the ecliptic crosses that of Earth (2D). Then it is only a matter of whether it passes in front of the Earth, or behind the Earth, or strikes the Earth.
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No, they really are not serious. Neither the governments or SpaceX.

For example there is a predicted large asteroid impact in 2104 that can be prevented. But the application of kinetic energy to this threat in 2020 can be done with three orders of magnitude less energy than later in the century.

Is the 2020 opportunity going to be used? Nope.

What is the name for this asteroid? Any relevant links?

I was wondering the same.
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No, they really are not serious. Neither the governments or SpaceX.

For example there is a predicted large asteroid impact in 2104 that can be prevented. But the application of kinetic energy to this threat in 2020 can be done with three orders of magnitude less energy than later in the century.

Is the 2020 opportunity going to be used? Nope.

What is the name for this asteroid? Any relevant links?
legendary
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^^^ Nobody has feeling strong enough to make that happen beyond the normal laws of physics.

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legendary
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The spherical object we currently inhabit, is perfectly situated in its orbitary location to foster life - the carbon based kind, all living organisms that dwell this globe, have. Without an argument, life on this sphere began very very tiny and very very long ago - 3.5 billion years. Today, without a doubt a cool 3.5 billion years later we ourselves also appear on the face of planet earth. An extensively elongated succession of eons with precision laws of physics and mathematical constants at play, is all it took. This sphere having been fully colonized, is our only home, now and till the day we will be no more - rest assured, we ain't going nowhere else.

We'll go anywhere we feel like.
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Who knows, maybe they could even find something valuable...

The single overriding thing of value in space exploration is developing the means, strategy and tactics of asteroid defense.

The survival or loss of humanity's advanced civilization rests on this. Think in terms of life after 1500 meter high tsunami, created by a random one of 200,000 asteroids hitting the ocean.



Space x could very well help in that aspect as well dude. Who knows. And i think world governments and nasa are already serious in developing asteroid collition plans, how to prevent, minimize damage or contingency plans in case a direct hit is inevitable. It is more important and mat have actual application than a plan for mars coonization.

No, they really are not serious. Neither the governments or SpaceX.

For example there is a predicted large asteroid impact in 2104 that can be prevented. But the application of kinetic energy to this threat in 2020 can be done with three orders of magnitude less energy than later in the century.

Is the 2020 opportunity going to be used? Nope.

Besides, if SpaceX really could do something about asteroids, government would find a way to use it to cause an asteroid threat, so they could legitimize their protection from asteroids, thereby enslaving the people even further than they have already.

Look at Musk's position in his corporations that he developed. Government is trying to get him kicked out of his own organizations one way or another. To remain in control, he will have to bow to government demands... demands which exist to overpower the people for the benefit of the handful in government rule... as we see that they are doing with Musk.

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legendary
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Who knows, maybe they could even find something valuable...

The single overriding thing of value in space exploration is developing the means, strategy and tactics of asteroid defense.

The survival or loss of humanity's advanced civilization rests on this. Think in terms of life after 1500 meter high tsunami, created by a random one of 200,000 asteroids hitting the ocean.



Space x could very well help in that aspect as well dude. Who knows. And i think world governments and nasa are already serious in developing asteroid collition plans, how to prevent, minimize damage or contingency plans in case a direct hit is inevitable. It is more important and mat have actual application than a plan for mars coonization.

No, they really are not serious. Neither the governments or SpaceX.

For example there is a predicted large asteroid impact in 2104 that can be prevented. But the application of kinetic energy to this threat in 2020 can be done with three orders of magnitude less energy than later in the century.

Is the 2020 opportunity going to be used? Nope.
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Who knows, maybe they could even find something valuable...

The single overriding thing of value in space exploration is developing the means, strategy and tactics of asteroid defense.

The survival or loss of humanity's advanced civilization rests on this. Think in terms of life after 1500 meter high tsunami, created by a random one of 200,000 asteroids hitting the ocean.



Space x could very well help in that aspect as well dude. Who knows. And i think world governments and nasa are already serious in developing asteroid collition plans, how to prevent, minimize damage or contingency plans in case a direct hit is inevitable. It is more important and mat have actual application than a plan for mars coonization.
legendary
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....the odds against life being able to come about on earth are approximately 1 to infinity.....

The odds of life coming about on earth are exactly 1:1.
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Who knows, maybe they could even find something valuable...

The single overriding thing of value in space exploration is developing the means, strategy and tactics of asteroid defense.

The survival or loss of humanity's advanced civilization rests on this. Think in terms of life after 1500 meter high tsunami, created by a random one of 200,000 asteroids hitting the ocean.

legendary
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From what i know the plan calls for robots to start working before any humans arrive. I'm not sure if they will go with domes or underground, if they go underground there could be the materials (and shielding) needed for habitat instead of blasting a mountain...

Perhaps this might require some sort of manned space station orbiting Mars itself, to speed up operations on the ground. So if a proper space station with artificial gravity can be built near Earth, such object could be moved to Mars. Well you could practice doing the same thing on the Moon first, where landing and taking off is much cheaper.

AI does exist, it might not have attained full sentience yet, but it is real. You should take a search online, several impressive projects exist.

There's no need for AI for any of this.

There's simply a need for extensive stockpiles of materials and functioning gardens.

But that all still begs the question.

What is all this FOR? What does it DO?

What else? SCIENCE! and technological progress.

Make the station with artificial gravity near earth, move it to mars orbit, start working the probes until a suitable settlement can be possible down there. If you don't put the humans close to the probes, then sure AI would benefit as the long delay in communication means the robots can make different decisions in the meantime. Otherwise things like digging underground would take ages.

Who knows, maybe they could even find something valuable...

All Spendy means is, Why are we doing it? It's way too expensive to do just to see if we are accidentally going to get something useful out of it.

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From what i know the plan calls for robots to start working before any humans arrive. I'm not sure if they will go with domes or underground, if they go underground there could be the materials (and shielding) needed for habitat instead of blasting a mountain...

Perhaps this might require some sort of manned space station orbiting Mars itself, to speed up operations on the ground. So if a proper space station with artificial gravity can be built near Earth, such object could be moved to Mars. Well you could practice doing the same thing on the Moon first, where landing and taking off is much cheaper.

AI does exist, it might not have attained full sentience yet, but it is real. You should take a search online, several impressive projects exist.

There's no need for AI for any of this.

There's simply a need for extensive stockpiles of materials and functioning gardens.

But that all still begs the question.

What is all this FOR? What does it DO?

What else? SCIENCE! and technological progress.

Make the station with artificial gravity near earth, move it to mars orbit, start working the probes until a suitable settlement can be possible down there. If you don't put the humans close to the probes, then sure AI would benefit as the long delay in communication means the robots can make different decisions in the meantime. Otherwise things like digging underground would take ages.

Who knows, maybe they could even find something valuable...
legendary
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The spherical object we currently inhabit, is perfectly situated in its orbitary location to foster life - the carbon based kind, all living organisms that dwell this globe, have. Without an argument, life on this sphere began very very tiny and very very long ago - 3.5 billion years. Today, without a doubt a cool 3.5 billion years later we ourselves also appear on the face of planet earth. An extensively elongated succession of eons with precision laws of physics and mathematical constants at play, is all it took. This sphere having been fully colonized, is our only home, now and till the day we will be no more - rest assured, we ain't going nowhere else.


Not only that. But also, the odds against life being able to come about on earth are approximately 1 to infinity. What this means is that, scientifically speaking, we don't have a clue as to why and how life can even exist.

If we go to Mars, we will be using a little science that we can figure out, and a whole bunch that exists around us already, but that we essentially know nothing about.

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legendary
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^^^ There are logical people, and those not so logical. Why did Columbus and others come to America? They wanted to seek wealth, but they also wanted to find freedom. Mars freedom is going to be a difficult thing, but people like Musk have been "herded" by governments so much, that they want freedom.

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So all these generated fantasies are to promote higher taxation levels?

Through Huge Government Programs we shall hope for Freedom?


Higher taxation by some people and on some people, yes. But by and on others, no. Why bring taxation into it?

Consider what government is. Who governs which pair of socks you wear? Going to Mars for freedom or any other reason is going to take a government program, even if it is only the Musk Government taxing other governments.

Remember what the IRS says. Taxes are voluntary. They aren't lying about that.

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The spherical object we currently inhabit, is perfectly situated in its orbitary location to foster life - the carbon based kind, all living organisms that dwell this globe, have. Without an argument, life on this sphere began very very tiny and very very long ago - 3.5 billion years. Today, without a doubt a cool 3.5 billion years later we ourselves also appear on the face of planet earth. An extensively elongated succession of eons with precision laws of physics and mathematical constants at play, is all it took. This sphere having been fully colonized, is our only home, now and till the day we will be no more - rest assured, we ain't going nowhere else.

legendary
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^^^ There are logical people, and those not so logical. Why did Columbus and others come to America? They wanted to seek wealth, but they also wanted to find freedom. Mars freedom is going to be a difficult thing, but people like Musk have been "herded" by governments so much, that they want freedom.

Cool
So all these generated fantasies are to promote higher taxation levels?

Through Huge Government Programs we shall hope for Freedom?

legendary
Activity: 3906
Merit: 1373
^^^ There are logical people, and those not so logical. Why did Columbus and others come to America? They wanted to seek wealth, but they also wanted to find freedom. Mars freedom is going to be a difficult thing, but people like Musk have been "herded" by governments so much, that they want freedom.

Cool
legendary
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From what i know the plan calls for robots to start working before any humans arrive. I'm not sure if they will go with domes or underground, if they go underground there could be the materials (and shielding) needed for habitat instead of blasting a mountain...

Perhaps this might require some sort of manned space station orbiting Mars itself, to speed up operations on the ground. So if a proper space station with artificial gravity can be built near Earth, such object could be moved to Mars. Well you could practice doing the same thing on the Moon first, where landing and taking off is much cheaper.

AI does exist, it might not have attained full sentience yet, but it is real. You should take a search online, several impressive projects exist.

There's no need for AI for any of this.

There's simply a need for extensive stockpiles of materials and functioning gardens.

But that all still begs the question.

What is all this FOR? What does it DO?
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