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Topic: Spain confiscates 0.03% of all bank deposits. - page 4. (Read 5489 times)

sr. member
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0.03% is such a small amount for all the bad publicity that comes
That is just the foot in the door.

It should have more bad publicity! It's no coincidence that it is happening in summer while world cup is still running...

That's just the beginning, it's merely a test run. People are acclimatized with small amounts, then bigger amounts will follow.

ya.ya.yo!

The saying about the frog in a pot of water comes to mind. They won't suddenly take our freedoms, they will simply evaporate a little bit here and there while we go on about our business.
legendary
Activity: 1806
Merit: 1024
0.03% is such a small amount for all the bad publicity that comes
That is just the foot in the door.

It should have more bad publicity! It's no coincidence that it is happening in summer while world cup is still running...

That's just the beginning, it's merely a test run. People are acclimatized with small amounts, then bigger amounts will follow.

ya.ya.yo!
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
they're so knee-deep in shit that there's not really much else they can do.

It's really time that people see the benefit of Bitcoin.

it's not like bitcoin is the only other alternative option though.
What are alternatives besides Bitcoin?

you mean what other hedge vs. the dollar is available? oil, gold, or other raw materials. maybe they don't have the kind of room for growth that bitcoin has, but they are at least more stable.. and that's an important thing when you want to protect your investments.
sr. member
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Come to think of it, I wonder when they'll start thinking that holding cryptocurrency in your own wallet is basically a "deposit" in the wider cryptocurrency network? Don't laugh please...If they can do this to banking accounts, it won't be a far stretch to do it to Bitcoin.

Umm how would they do that exactly? Any attempt to tax crypto holdings would have to be completely voluntary and fail miserably.
legendary
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WTF, this post title is SO full of bullshit.

Spain isn't confiscating anything, nor are they touching bank deposits.

The central government is unifying and ALREADY EXISTING tax in many regions "comunidades autónomas" aimed at banks NOT customers. Not only are they not touching customers deposits, they are further protecting them by making it illegal with this new law for banks to transfer the tax to their customers deposits, it's expressly prohibited in the same law. Now, maybe the banks still try to transfer part of this tax to their customers indirectly via fees or whatever, but that is the same with any other private/public business that is taxed and has to figure out how to balance a new tax with their margins.

The law is meaningless in regard to making it illegal to transfer the tax.  Taxing banks like this is a stealth way to tax people while looking like they are making someone else pay.  Banks will just pay less interest to depositors to make it up, or charge more for loans etc.

PEOPLE pay the taxes, the money only comes from the effort of people, but politicians want the naive to see them saying "oh, we are protecting you" when in reality they just want to have extra money without calling it a tax on people and having the bank be the (hidden) tax collector for them.
hero member
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The more they confiscate, the higher the price of bitcoin will be. When the Cyprus events began unfolding, the Bitcoin rate surged significantly in several waves, ultimately reaching +1100 dollars per coin as people became more and more aware of it.
legendary
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It's really time that people see the benefit of Bitcoin.

put your money in the bank, trust us, it's safe.

full member
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WTF, this post title is SO full of bullshit.

Spain isn't confiscating anything, nor are they touching bank deposits.

The central government is unifying and ALREADY EXISTING tax in many regions "comunidades autónomas" aimed at banks NOT customers. Not only are they not touching customers deposits, they are further protecting them by making it illegal with this new law for banks to transfer the tax to their customers deposits, it's expressly prohibited in the same law. Now, maybe the banks still try to transfer part of this tax to their customers indirectly via fees or whatever, but that is the same with any other private/public business that is taxed and has to figure out how to balance a new tax with their margins.

Hence taxing the bank is no difference than taxing the bank customer.

Government should just let all the banks compete with each other to lower fee and offer better benefit. Not taxing the entire industry into oblivion.
legendary
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Merit: 2965
Terminated.
they're so knee-deep in shit that there's not really much else they can do.

It's really time that people see the benefit of Bitcoin.

it's not like bitcoin is the only other alternative option though.
What are alternatives besides Bitcoin?
I have no idea what's he's talking about. I wouldn't trust anything but a cryptocoin there days.
sr. member
Activity: 242
Merit: 250
WTF, this post title is SO full of bullshit.

Spain isn't confiscating anything, nor are they touching bank deposits.

The central government is unifying and ALREADY EXISTING tax in many regions "comunidades autónomas" aimed at banks NOT customers. Not only are they not touching customers deposits, they are further protecting them by making it illegal with this new law for banks to transfer the tax to their customers deposits, it's expressly prohibited in the same law. Now, maybe the banks still try to transfer part of this tax to their customers indirectly via fees or whatever, but that is the same with any other private/public business that is taxed and has to figure out how to balance a new tax with their margins.
newbie
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Climate change sounds like something that has all the necessary elements for a complete private property rights revocation. It affects everyone and it is totally unfalsifiable.

Of course it's falsifiable. The problem is it would need to involve climate science, which deniers hate.
newbie
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Climate change sounds like something that has all the necessary elements for a complete private property rights revocation. It affects everyone and it is totally unfalsifiable.

"Climate terrorism"
member
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Merit: 10

They're already being violated. Civil asset forfeiture, anyone?
Private property rights will only be respected until there is a good enough reason to not respect them, such as a national emergency.

Climate change sounds like something that has all the necessary elements for a complete private property rights revocation. It affects everyone and it is totally unfalsifiable.
legendary
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It is not right to penalise those who worked hard and save up for retirement, over those who spend every penny they earn.

Reuters article on bank deposit tax:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/04/spain-tax-deposits-idUSL6N0PF2SF20140704
newbie
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I think the bigger question is how much longer will the US government respect private property rights.

They're already being violated. Civil asset forfeiture, anyone?
Private property rights will only be respected until there is a good enough reason to not respect them, such as a national emergency.
member
Activity: 260
Merit: 10

How long before this happens in the US?

Bank accounts are private property. I think the bigger question is how much longer will the US government respect private property rights.
donator
Activity: 1736
Merit: 1014
Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.
How long before this happens in the US?
When the printing presses break down from the stress.
full member
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How long before this happens in the US?
legendary
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Merit: 1004
Cyprus took 47.5% on all deposits above 100k €

It may be small but its just the start, wait and watch

It really went that high in Cyprus? ...wow!
I remember lower numbers at first, and then they dramatically raised the "take".


Read this thread:
"My bank account's got robbed by European Commission. Over 700k is lost." - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/my-bank-accounts-got-robbed-by-european-commission-over-700k-is-lost-160292
hero member
Activity: 798
Merit: 1000
Come to think of it, I wonder when they'll start thinking that holding cryptocurrency in your own wallet is basically a "deposit" in the wider cryptocurrency network? Don't laugh please...If they can do this to banking accounts, it won't be a far stretch to do it to Bitcoin.
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