Topic: Speculation: New Trezor Product Coming on 14 June - page 3. (Read 1017 times)

There is one thing that no one mentioned until now it seems. It's far from revolutionary and pretty unimportant if you ask me. The Trezor team created a new seed standard with 20 words. So, you can generate a seed with 12, 20, or 24 words with the Trezor Safe 5. Perhaps that will also be added to their other devices. It's really not worth mentioning but I did see it on their product page.

I think that the last price for Trezor Model T was exactly the same as for new Trezor Safe 5, and I am sure it was bellow $200.
After checking on Bitcoinhole I see that last price was exactly $149.

They didn't cheat anything.
If you zoom the image you can see it's just the way light plays with the side and shape of new device.

It's probably better to have bigger touchscreen than two buttons, but I agree that this is not worth paying around $100 more for this device.
Gorilla Glass 3 and support for SD cards is nice but I can live without it.

You don't have to wait a year to receive it after pre-ordering, and I didn't expect they will released new device until recently.  

I'm a bit disappointed to wait roughly a year for something that isn't really that superior ^{[e.g. for things that actually matter]} to the Safe 3!
^{Looks like I'll be upgrading to the Safe 3 (Bitcoin-only) mainly because of its secure element and the lack of firmware updates on the Model One.}

In fact, there was nothing revolutionary and this device (Safe 5) is nothing more than an updated model of their Trezor Safe 3 (replacement for model T) with a color touch screen. Just an expensive restyling of Safe 3 with the same functionality.

Trezor got rid of its outdated range of devices (all they have to do is sell off the remaining mondel One and remove it from the assortment), just like Ledger.


I admit, Trezor managed to fool me.

It’s just that Trezor decided to stick to its previous traditional forms of devices, which I think is correct, because it makes the devices immediately recognizable, but otherwise, it’s the same “old smartphone” (very vaguely) with a touch screen, but there was no built-in battery (and no slot for memory card) as I expected.

Correction: there is a slot for a memory card (I read it more carefully and saw it in the picture). So, I also guessed with the hole - this is a slot for a memory card (located on the right edge).



This is not a cheating, but a clever marketing ploy to attract the attention of potential buyers. The trick was a success, since we are discussing it.

And in the picture this is a side (or top) view of the edge of the Safe 5. I think so.

Correction: There is no text "Trezor" on the top edge. And notice the trapezoidal edges (left and right), exactly the same as in the first photos (which I focused on in previous posts).


In general, I believe that the crime secret of Trezor have been revealed.

Perhaps not. Trezor's team is at the BTC Prague Bitcoin conference. It began yesterday and will end tomorrow. Perhaps that thing that appeared in their promo image will be presented tomorrow. If not, then I agree with you that it's weird.
The Trezor Safe 5 isn't the only news from Trezor in these days. They have also introduced Trezor Expert. It's a one-on-one paid help session to set up your hardware wallet. The 60-min video guide costs €99.

Then, it is turnes out that they were cheating in fact  by their previous image

 

which explicitly shows something  that resembles  a snap of a bracelet on their stuff. Where is it on their Trezor Safe 5 model the image of which they revealed today?

Strange marketing, nothing to say more.

The price is repelling.

It was their most expensive hardware wallet. I never like seeing a good device getting dropped, but the Safe 5 looks better thanks to its secure element and a touch screen. Plus, it's cheaper.
It also seems that the Trezor Safe 3 Bitcoin-only version (with the orange back cover) is back again and can be bought.

They still have the Trezor T for sale as part of their bundles. You can buy two Model T's for €268.

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Seems that m2017 was partially right. He figured out, based on the image, that it's a new hardware wallet in the form of an old mobile phone. It was a new hardware wallet but not a phone-looking one.

Just confirmed that new Trezor device is Trezor Safe 5 and pre-order price is $169, with shipping for devices planned from Mid July to  Mid August 2024.

New Trezor Safe 5 have Color touchscreen that is bigger than screen in Trezor Safe 3, and it has Gorilla Glass 3 protection.

Secure Element is NDA-free EAL 6+ and it's not made by Tropic Square, so probably it is similar like in Trezor Safe 3.

I expected to see airgapped device, but sadly it is only USB cable connection.


https://trezor.io/trezor-safe-5

Full launch video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14Levzt4TKs

PS
Trezor Model T is now officially removed from Trezor website.

It seems that my version is justified so far. This is definitely not a ring or a bracelet.



I assume that the picture shows the left part of the upper edge (1) of the device with the inscription “trezor”, similar to a plump old smartphone, and the right part of the upper edge (2), where there will probably be a slot for a memory card (3). It doesn't look like a power cable connector (there will probably be a built-in battery to power the big touchscreen). The connectors are traditionally located on the bottom edge (4) and I’m sure it won’t be any different here. That is, I don’t expect to see anything revolutionary new in terms of design in this hardware wallet (everything new is well forgotten old).

Very soon all the covers will be removed.

Nothing is stopping your from using it. The decision is yours. You are going to need Trezorctl to use it. Unless something changed in the meantime, there are only two commands you can enter. One to activate SD code protection and one to deactivate it. You can simply copy the commands from Trezor's support page.

Yeah, I am aware of this feature, but I, who have had Trezor model T for 4 years, have never even tested this function. Furthermore, few users know about it as it's accessible via command line. It would be more useful if they offer other types of functionality for the SD card slot.

The SD card slot on the Trezor T has a different function. It's not there to be used for importing and exporting PSBTs. It's function is to generate a secret code, store it on a MicroSD card, and require the user to insert it and unlock access to their device before every use. If the feature is enabled, of course.

It would make sense if we did. Smartphones with touchscreens are already old news, and other types of phones are getting rarer by the day. We should expect the same for hardware wallets. At the same time, I am a fan of simplicity and as little optional features as possible.

Hey, this smartphone is exactly what I owned in 2011, so much nostalgia.

I agree with you, I think it will be Trezor's new flagship, but I highly doubt Trezor will make something air-gapped, they might even put it as an optional feature. Trezor's proposal is to be more user friendly, so I doubt it will be something completely air-gapped.

They are "so concerned" about providing support for air-gapped and PSBT signatures that TODAY they have never released an update allowing this feature on the Trezor model T which has an SD card tray that is PRACTICALLY USELESS, nor an option for encrypted backups like coldcard does, passport etc. they made it available via the SD card.

Are we moving towards the phase of HW where they look more like smartphones with touch screens? See the Coldcard Q (it's not touch, but it has a QWERT keyboard).

I think this is the trend, launching devices similar to smartphones with a keyboard (touchscreen or physical), due to the passphrase feature being increasingly demanded by users, and typing the passphrase on devices like Ledger from the Nano line is agonizing, more or less in Trezor T where we have the ABCD numeric keyboard where we have to alternate between 3 or 4 letters to type letters, numbers and characters.

It will not be a ring or a bracelet, but the form factor of a regular smartphone (rectangular device).

If this were a bracelet, there would be no beveled edges (pink arrows in the picture).

Any bracelet or ring (side view) has the correct shape.



Now I was able to make my point clear?

Nope.

There is no ring, bracelet or anything else cyclically shaped. The announced device doesn't have the geometrically symmetrical lines (shapes) inherent in armband.

I think this device will look something like this:


Exactly the same characteristic beveled edges of the device. I think that this HW will look something like this (like an old smartphone). In the announced picture Trezor, you see the device from the side (exactly the same as image №2), which creates the illusion of the shape of a ring / bracelet. That is, Trezor misled us because of the angle from which the device was shown.

This is the point of the marketing ploy - to create interest and involvement in view of the limited (dosed) information provided.

Maybe you are right, but it doesn't look very much like a ring to me.

So, you think it's going to be a ring with a touchscreen similar to that of Ledger Stax? Sorry, I don't see that happening. Maybe it will be a ring, maybe a new device with a touchscreen, but hardly a combination of the two. Of course, that's my personal opinion.

By claiming that this is a bracelet, you are missing one important detail. The bracelet has the shape of a symmetrical ring, which means that in the photo the outer parts of the bracelet should have had an angle of 90 degrees, and not be beveled. I'm sure it's not a bracelet.


This is a side (or top - which I think is unlikely) view of the device. I can imagine it will be a device with a touch screen that looks something like ledger stix. That is, in the part where the green arrow is directed, a smartphone-type display will be located.

In less than a week we will find out whose speculations will be correct.

Thank you I think they intentionally kept a few screenshots to let some of us find something about their upcoming model ^{[assuming that GitHub doesn't automatically remove screenshots after a certain time has passed]}, so at most, it's probably just a tiny blow for their upcoming presentation... Having said that, their CEO mentioned on X that "they're super excited to launch some new products" so they still have a few surprises up their sleeves

Unfortunately, you're probably right ^{[I wish they had an option for returning customers to use Bitcoin and pay in installments]}

I'll chime in with some speculation:

• titanium frame or casing?
• color touch screen
• no battery (thank god, no built-in obsolescence... otherwise: crap!)
• likely more expensive than Trezor T, but who knows
• built-in camera (quite a significant advancement for Trezor)?

(I didn't look into their Github, it's more what I'd wish to see, well, not for the price, though.)

I'm not terribly interested in Trezor as long as they haven't released their own somewhat "open" security chip and I don't expect this to happen any soon and particularly not for this new device. And once the Tropic™ chip surfaces in an actual product, it needs to prove its real in-the-wild security first.

Nice one, I think you just ruined the mysterious secret surprise for Trezor
I don't think are going to skip Safe 4, but they will probably release it later, unless for some weird reason they are only releasing devices with odd numbers - Trezor One, Trezor Safe 3, Trezor Safe 5, than 7,9,11 etc.

PS
This probably means most advanced price is coming soon also, that is more than $179 USD

You're right, but I was referring to this "part ^{[as opposed to the very end of each side]}".
^{- Exactly like Model T.}

• Quote from: Pmalek on June 04, 2024, 01:02:34 PM
  I don't know it it's a light effect that we are seeing on the right end of the picture or if it could be a metal buckle like you see on watches and bracelets.
  
  I strongly believe it's just a light effect
  

Finally managed to find something on their GitHub repository and it appears that they're going to skip number Four and go straight to number Five: Trezor Safe 5 ^[archived]