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jr. member
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You may be right but let us wait to see what happens when a Sportsbet representative gets in contact with you to address the issues you raised. I hope you post here and update us.

Do you expect the rep to come here and say - hey, here's your 36 BTC that you lost? ($400,000)


Heh

I don’t think they’ll let some forum members decide this one. I wonder if it’s even true
sr. member
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It appears that GP is back and he is going to protect us from 'evil' betting websites...


GP is Game Protect.
Unfortunately our site is named with similar abbreviation Get-Paid.com but we have nothing to do with GP, and please don't use our quote in that reference neither.
legendary
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Lets make a bet how long until other DT members found and report him for ban evasion?

One doesn't need to be a DT member to make a report to moderators. However evidence is needed and merely "ranting against casinos" or similar won't cut it...
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The only way for you to get your money "back" is via court or a legal action.

Please,
Don't dig yourself a deeper hole than what it is.

I'm going to PM you.

@PlayerX47 Did you get help in PM?

It appears that GP is back and he is going to protect us from 'evil' betting websites...
Lets make a bet how long until other DT members found and report him for ban evasion?

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If you are banned on one account then you are not allowed to post under any accounts you own for the duration of your ban.

sr. member
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You may be right but let us wait to see what happens when a Sportsbet representative gets in contact with you to address the issues you raised. I hope you post here and update us.

Do you expect the rep to come here and say - hey, here's your 36 BTC that you lost? ($400,000)
legendary
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You may be right but let us wait to see what happens when a Sportsbet representative gets in contact with you to address the issues you raised. I hope you post here and update us.

The biggest problem is operators hold the cards and they are happy to watch players lose but only enforce barriers when a player is winning. Had I been winning I truly believe it would have been a very different situation in that they would have flagged my accounts. Obviously that is not the case however so it's not a line of defence.

I am very interested to see sportsbet.io's take on this now that this case is public. I look forward to their reply.
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Thanks for your brutal opinion, but I also agree with partly what you have said. It's ok I have tough skin, I am not here looking for sympathy.

Ultimately operators have a responsibility to their players, gambling is a real issue worldwide and most regulators have very strict guidelines for protecting players. Curacao maybe not so much, I am not sure at the moment.

One of my main points of taking this public is to raise awareness. The era of anonymous gambling is extremely dangerous to vulnerable players and ultimately is it even legal to be running a business which allows gambling of this level without asking the player any information? I can assure you it's not, it breaks pretty much every single money laundering rule ever. It certainly breaks the license that sportsbet.io operate under.


I totally agree, I saw a player getting banned instanly after indirectly showing signs of ludopathy, but obviously this happened on one of the most reputable sites wordwide (bet365). I have also seen sites holding european licenses, with costumers with successful KYCs, but still playing shady even knowing an addiction is taking place. The simple fact of having this kind of illness is really dangerous.
jr. member
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PlayerX47,

Can I ask if you contacted SportsBet.io after you lost 1, 2, 3 BTC or how exactly did it happen?
How quickly did you lose 20 BTC? was it in 1 day, 1 week?

Did you contact SportsBet.io at any point after losing a bit more - and have they told you anything if you did?

The most important key factor that could side by you (legally) is if you have some conversation between yourself and SportsBet.io - if they told you "Keep on gambling for another 24 hours and then let us know your '''final''' decision" then they can be held liable"....

But if you had 0 contact with them and only contacting them after you lost your 20 BTC it might be more difficult to prove damages here unless if you had any "similarities" between the new and old account?


I believe OP put all these details in their original post? I am sure these have been answered..

16 BTC over the course of a single weekend.

Then a few weeks losing around another 20 BTC is what it says, not sure the timeframe of the second loss.

Makes me feel a bit sick tbh
sr. member
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PlayerX47,

Can I ask if you contacted SportsBet.io after you lost 1, 2, 3 BTC or how exactly did it happen?
How quickly did you lose 20 BTC? was it in 1 day, 1 week?

Did you contact SportsBet.io at any point after losing a bit more - and have they told you anything if you did?

The most important key factor that could side by you (legally) is if you have some conversation between yourself and SportsBet.io - if they told you "Keep on gambling for another 24 hours and then let us know your '''final''' decision" then they can be held liable"....

But if you had 0 contact with them and only contacting them after you lost your 20 BTC it might be more difficult to prove damages here unless if you had any "similarities" between the new and old account?

With my case with another provider - I asked to be self-excluded and they closed the account, and then sent me emails asking me if I want to reopen it - I used it against them and won $7000 - but that was the very SAME account, I did not try nor attempted to open a 2nd account.

As others have mentioned besides pursuing (or not) the matter legally - and besides the self-exclusion tips I gave you in the beginning of the thread - you really should be looking to do something with this - honestly losing over $220,000 is terrible .. If I were you I'd seriously consider handing over your finances to someone else (e.g. spouse/wife if you have one or parents or brother/sister whatever).

If I were you before starting any treatment or whatever - the first best treatment for you is to simply not touch any cash ... salaries, bonuses, whatever you earn - get someone else to hold this money for you, you're not capable of handling over cash yourself, and I'm saying it for your own benefit - get at least 1-2 years of letting someone else handling your finances - you are not in a position to be dealing with cash right now.
legendary
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I had to use the un-ignore on you just to read what trash you were writing but will take the opportunity to make a post too:

If there is no point in making a thread there is no need to explain anything here. if you are a genuine user with a genuine complaint then you would have opened a scam accusation thread with evidence.

Post here using your real user details instead of hiding behind a sock-puppet  Roll Eyes


Open a scam accusation thread and provide proof of you being scammed.

I just explained that they didn't allow me to withdraw, whats the point of my making my thread, I'm explaining it here. Nothing will be done since they aren't held accountable.




And why did you delete the post you made which I have copied below? What is your real motive to be here?

PlayerX47 is correct. I had a similar scenario where sportsbet demanded KYC after I already won with my original deposit. Ridiculous rules and they are not held accountable for scamming their users. Everyone sohuld do their research first and I hope your issue is solved.
jr. member
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It’s very likely that had the player been winning then Sportsbet would have pulled out the multiple account / we are seizing your funds malarkey.

The player is always at a disadvantage, casinos tend to do what they want. Interested to see Sportsbet comment on this accusation as it’s for a shit ton of money compared to some of the other cases floating around
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I just explained that they didn't allow me to withdraw, whats the point of my making my thread, I'm explaining it here. Nothing will be done since they aren't held accountable.
A new thread won't derail this current scam accusation. What you're doing right now is adding more fuel to the fire and exacerbating things with your frustration.

Would you like it if a random gambler comes into your conversation while you're explaining what happened, and then hijacks the whole discussion? Especially when they don't give any evidence... three times.
Also, double/consecutive-posting is against the forum rules. I suggest you simply edit the two posts together.
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Open a scam accusation thread and provide proof of you being scammed.


PlayerX47 is correct. I had a similar scenario where sportsbet demanded KYC after I already won with my original deposit. Ridiculous rules and they are not held accountable for scamming their users. Everyone sohuld do their research first and I hope your issue is solved.
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Sportsbet is obligated by law to check the identity of the depositors, therefore you have a clear claim.

However, only the Game Protect group is able to possibly get your illegally taken 36 BTC back.
You are like a leech trying to suck blood.

The OP has been suffering from an addiction and is looking for some form of solution to what he cites as blame or partial blame on part of Sportsbet. What the OP does not need is any sort of false hope by falling prey to your scams.

If it is true that you are an alt-account of game-protect you should be ashamed of yourself trying to scam users that already claim to be at substantial financial loss.


I have done so thanks for your input

Hello,

can you inbox me you user name and Ill check it out for you

thanks,

Steve.
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I hope there can be some sort of positive outcome for the OP in this. It is great that you are looking in to this matter for what seems to be less than 12 hours after the thread was created. Thank you, it is great to see such proactive conduct when issues arise.


Addictions are tough, many people suffer with some form of bad habit or addiction. I feel a bit sorry for him, if he has a family & stuff he needs to sort his shit out for them & fast.

I’d suggest he seeks professional help for gambling rather than pursuing anything else. If he was using a VPN or Tor or something how the hell is anybody supposed to know he’s self excluded? I don’t know the legalities of it but surely if you self exclude an account to try & stop gambling but start a load of others then the only entity liable for it is yourself.

Like I said I don’t know the legalities of it but it’s fucking moronic either way, fix up OP.

Thanks for your brutal opinion, but I also agree with partly what you have said. It's ok I have tough skin, I am not here looking for sympathy.

Ultimately operators have a responsibility to their players, gambling is a real issue worldwide and most regulators have very strict guidelines for protecting players. Curacao maybe not so much, I am not sure at the moment.

One of my main points of taking this public is to raise awareness. The era of anonymous gambling is extremely dangerous to vulnerable players and ultimately is it even legal to be running a business which allows gambling of this level without asking the player any information? I can assure you it's not, it breaks pretty much every single money laundering rule ever. It certainly breaks the license that sportsbet.io operate under.
It cannot be doubted operators do have a responsibility to their users and it will be interesting to see what Sportsbet have to say about this. I have no doubt their algorithms would have picked up problem gamblers just as fast as they would have picked up fraudsters and scammers.

Steve from Sportsbet will definitely get back to you, give him some time to look in to the whole thing then kindly post here and update the thread so we can all be kept in the loop.
legendary
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Game protect is a proven scam.

Bitcointalk-Protect has the right team for this job.

You don't have to do anything, they'll find you. :p

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just joking im done with this kind of shit. at least for a while.

edit: I see, there wasn't even a scam accusation here.
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So you’re a degenerate gambler who can’t control his urges & it’s somebody else’s fault?

Interesting.

LFC, I agree with you on this ... in general that's his case ... if he wants to try getting back something it's only going to be through legal channels. Graham Calvert in the UK tried it and failed but there were precedents of other cases where the gamblers won ... I just hope the OP would realize he won't get lots of sympathy for this case and he really shouldn't, he should compose himself and do the right thing for himself here.


Addictions are tough, many people suffer with some form of bad habit or addiction. I feel a bit sorry for him, if he has a family & stuff he needs to sort his shit out for them & fast.

I’d suggest he seeks professional help for gambling rather than pursuing anything else. If he was using a VPN or Tor or something how the hell is anybody supposed to know he’s self excluded? I don’t know the legalities of it but surely if you self exclude an account to try & stop gambling but start a load of others then the only entity liable for it is yourself.

Like I said I don’t know the legalities of it but it’s fucking moronic either way, fix up OP.
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Having breached my self exclusion multiple times, I believe they should be voiding my wagering as per their terms and conditions and of course return my funds to me, although it states “at their discretion”!!.

Regardless of the above terms, the ethical response of this would be to return my funds. I asked them for help, I self excluded from their platform to offer me protection, because I needed it. I believe their attempts at blocking my accounts have not been sufficient and that they are just as responsible as me for me losing everything I have.
If you had this much clarity on what you were doing, what stopped you from getting a real help rather than asking the house to own up to your ways. It is good to own your misfortunes rather than finding a way to put that blame on someone else's shoes.

It’s so crazy that a company can allow me to lose so much money without even asking me to KYC once, having proper KYC in place would have protected me and prevented me from being in such a bad situation.
You did this to yourself, how crazy it would be for you to keep on placing bets even if you are loosing millions and you do now you identified that it was the house to blame because why would they allow you to loose this much, the answer is simple, they are not a charity and they do not mind people gambling and they are not checking your state of mind as you are responsible for your actions.

I appreciate that Sportsbet.io would have incurred costs from this incident such as commissions to their game providers and I would be willing to accept some of the responsibility and have a reduced sum returned to me. I hope Sportsbet will eventually come to the right decision as at the moment I feel this has been handled very badly and unfairly. I have been completely truthful with sportsbet.io throughout and I have not attempted to defraud them at any point, all I ask is that I am treated fairly.
Since you have the patience and asked everyone to see both sides, what happens if everyone who looses big comes with the same claim and ask the house to own up and ask to play fair by your standard, what would be the situation for online gambling sites, would that be a fair assessment ?.

If you won they would have given you the funds you deposited Wink, since you were chasing those loses with multiple accounts all you can do is own up and fighting for that will not give you any reward, sad to see your situation but its better to get some serious help.

but there were precedents of other cases where the gamblers won
Not heard about a precedent where someone lost to the house online and then winning a legal case, but i have heard about a case where the gambler won legally because of intoxication and the case was won because they could provide evidence that someone spiked the drinks and he was not in a situation to gamble and yet the house allowed him to gamble and lost millions.
  
sr. member
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So you’re a degenerate gambler who can’t control his urges & it’s somebody else’s fault?

Interesting.

LFC, I agree with you on this ... in general that's his case ... if he wants to try getting back something it's only going to be through legal channels. Graham Calvert in the UK tried it and failed but there were precedents of other cases where the gamblers won ... I just hope the OP would realize he won't get lots of sympathy for this case and he really shouldn't, he should compose himself and do the right thing for himself here.
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So you’re a degenerate gambler who can’t control his urges & it’s somebody else’s fault?

Interesting.
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Before proceeding with legal action I am advised to wait for the ruling of the case from Curacao eGaming.

Advised by who?
Curacao eGaming is a joke, it's like IBAS in the UK, they would never side by you and even in the extreme case they would side by you their decision won't force anything.

Please, do yourself a favor and take advice from someone who knows how these things work.
You don't need Curacao eGaming and certainly don't reach out to them because legally it would put you in a lower position as they could decide against you and SportsBet.io would use it against you in court!

You lost a lot of money, not just $1000 or $2000 - nobody is going to give it back to you "as a good faith", it won't happen, so forget about it.

The only way for you to get your money "back" is via court or a legal action.

Please,
Don't dig yourself a deeper hole than what it is.

I'm going to PM you.
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