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Sooo with everyhing going on now and seeing how hard the restart is turning out to be, is it now more plausible that the EPL finishes as is, declare LFC the champions, relegate the bottom three?  What do you think?

I doubt it. They certainly won't relegate the bottom three. It just wouldn't be fair. If the PL is good to go then I'm sure the Championship will follow suit.

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I'm sure every team would want it to end now except maybe those in positions where if the league ends as is they will lose out, like relegated teams and teams who could grab the CL and EL places. It probably doesn't really matter to Liverpool whether they are crowned champions now or later as they practically have it in the bag as all they need is two wins I believe.

Yep, exactly. If there was not a money issue and there was a vote, I'm sure most of the teams would vote for the season to end as it is now.
The only teams that would vote against that are the bottom 3, United, Tottenham and Arsenal.

I wonder how many teams will put crazy lineups once the league restarts, personally as a Liverpool fan I'd like them to play with almost full 2nd squad as soon as we mathematically secure the title.
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I think getting all teams on board won't happen, perhaps a consensus would do. I don't see a team winning a legal suit in this situation though, since it's clear that no team is in an obvious advantage over another, but maybe I'm just naive or not getting the bigger picture. I mean during polictal unrest we've had teams play their away games in the opponent's stadium but don't even get to play their home games in their own country, that's worth an argument for a clear disadvantage.

You'll never get every team to agree. Every club will want something based on what's best for them. I don't think it will stop clubs from suing if they feel like they've been hard done by or been given a disadvantage. Everything is fair if every club has to deal with the changes but that probably wont stop them from arguing that it was unfair to them as they might not have been relegated if the season continued as normal. Just watch what happens to the relegated teams. I'm sure they'll complain about something even if it's just about the lack of fans or that the gap in play was too long or they didn't get enough time to train before the league resumes.

Sooo with everyhing going on now and seeing how hard the restart is turning out to be, is it now more plausible that the EPL finishes as is, declare LFC the champions, relegate the bottom three?  What do you think?

I would love to see what every team would think (Including teams battling relegation) if they're faced with just two options 1. Finishing as it is with LFC as champions and bottom three relegated or 2. Complete all fixtures in a closed and neutral location.

I'm sure every team would want it to end now except maybe those in positions where if the league ends as is they will lose out, like relegated teams and teams who could grab the CL and EL places. It probably doesn't really matter to Liverpool whether they are crowned champions now or later as they practically have it in the bag as all they need is two wins I believe.
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Sooo with everyhing going on now and seeing how hard the restart is turning out to be, is it now more plausible that the EPL finishes as is, declare LFC the champions, relegate the bottom three?  What do you think?

I would love to see what every team would think (Including teams battling relegation) if they're faced with just two options 1. Finishing as it is with LFC as champions and bottom three relegated or 2. Complete all fixtures in a closed and neutral location.

1. It would not happen. All of the three teams have a chance to stay in the PL, it would be unfair to them if relegated without playing the rest of the games. Only Liverpool will be satisfied, but I don't think they want such a title either after one of the best season played. of course, mathematically they still haven’t scored enough points.
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But they have to have all the teams on board for the restart or there could be lawsuits. It's a little different between Christmas fixtures and what we have now as it's not something they agreed to or what was in place at the start of the season. It's like changing the deal half way though. Teams are allowed to complain/protest about the compacted Christmas fixtures but if they agree to it before the season starts then there's nothing they can do. Moving the goalposts as they say is much different. If games get the go-ahead and the only difference is there's no fans and no other changes to the rules I don't think teams will have any legal right to complain, and if relegated teams do complain or try take legal action it will be very petty and shameful of them.

I think getting all teams on board won't happen, perhaps a consensus would do. I don't see a team winning a legal suit in this situation though, since it's clear that no team is in an obvious advantage over another, but maybe I'm just naive or not getting the bigger picture. I mean during polictal unrest we've had teams play their away games in the opponent's stadium but don't even get to play their home games in their own country, that's worth an argument for a clear disadvantage.

Sooo with everyhing going on now and seeing how hard the restart is turning out to be, is it now more plausible that the EPL finishes as is, declare LFC the champions, relegate the bottom three?  What do you think?

I would love to see what every team would think (Including teams battling relegation) if they're faced with just two options 1. Finishing as it is with LFC as champions and bottom three relegated or 2. Complete all fixtures in a closed and neutral location.
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Aiming for. I'd be surprised if they get things going within a month. It doesn't seem plausible. There's just far too many complications and complaints from teams and if/when they announce how the games will precede then you'll get teams complaining about whatever they've proposed. Even if the matches go ahead in the correct stadiums I'm sure some teams will complain about lack of fans or some other bullshit excuses as to why they're losing.

I think the English FA just needs to look for the best possible way to get league resumed and the best locations for them to be played, And worry less about teams complaining, we've seen larger fractions of the teams complained about the Christmas to New Year crazy fixtures, nothing has changed about that either.

But they have to have all the teams on board for the restart or there could be lawsuits. It's a little different between Christmas fixtures and what we have now as it's not something they agreed to or what was in place at the start of the season. It's like changing the deal half way though. Teams are allowed to complain/protest about the compacted Christmas fixtures but if they agree to it before the season starts then there's nothing they can do. Moving the goalposts as they say is much different. If games get the go-ahead and the only difference is there's no fans and no other changes to the rules I don't think teams will have any legal right to complain, and if relegated teams do complain or try take legal action it will be very petty and shameful of them.

Sooo with everyhing going on now and seeing how hard the restart is turning out to be, is it now more plausible that the EPL finishes as is, declare LFC the champions, relegate the bottom three?  What do you think?
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Aiming for. I'd be surprised if they get things going within a month. It doesn't seem plausible. There's just far too many complications and complaints from teams and if/when they announce how the games will precede then you'll get teams complaining about whatever they've proposed. Even if the matches go ahead in the correct stadiums I'm sure some teams will complain about lack of fans or some other bullshit excuses as to why they're losing.

They have to play and of course some of them will complain, but only if they get relegated. I'm quite sure Aston Villa won't complain about the fans if they win half of their games on neutral ground and stay up.
They won't though because they are horrible.

Regarding the time schedule, they will probably keep a really close eye on Bundesliga and how things are in Germany. It's a lot easier to do it 2nd than 1st and they will have a full month of data to go through.

That's why I hope everything will be OK in Germany, because if it won't, other countries will probably pause their leagues for a while longer.
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Aiming for. I'd be surprised if they get things going within a month. It doesn't seem plausible. There's just far too many complications and complaints from teams and if/when they announce how the games will precede then you'll get teams complaining about whatever they've proposed. Even if the matches go ahead in the correct stadiums I'm sure some teams will complain about lack of fans or some other bullshit excuses as to why they're losing.

I think the English FA just needs to look for the best possible way to get league resumed and the best locations for them to be played, And worry less about teams complaining, we've seen larger fractions of the teams complained about the Christmas to New Year crazy fixtures, nothing has changed about that either.

But they have to have all the teams on board for the restart or there could be lawsuits. It's a little different between Christmas fixtures and what we have now as it's not something they agreed to or what was in place at the start of the season. It's like changing the deal half way though. Teams are allowed to complain/protest about the compacted Christmas fixtures but if they agree to it before the season starts then there's nothing they can do. Moving the goalposts as they say is much different. If games get the go-ahead and the only difference is there's no fans and no other changes to the rules I don't think teams will have any legal right to complain, and if relegated teams do complain or try take legal action it will be very petty and shameful of them.
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Aiming for. I'd be surprised if they get things going within a month. It doesn't seem plausible. There's just far too many complications and complaints from teams and if/when they announce how the games will precede then you'll get teams complaining about whatever they've proposed. Even if the matches go ahead in the correct stadiums I'm sure some teams will complain about lack of fans or some other bullshit excuses as to why they're losing.

I think the English FA just needs to look for the best possible way to get league resumed and the best locations for them to be played, And worry less about teams complaining, we've seen larger fractions of the teams complained about the Christmas to New Year crazy fixtures, nothing has changed about that either.
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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/may/14/premier-league-must-show-free-to-air-games-and-share-money-to-restart-government

It says in this article that they are aiming for a June 12th restart.

There has also been a meeting in which short-term contracts for players whose contracts expire on June 30th were discussed, they will be allowed but they have to be agreed by both sides - so the players need to accept them.
It might be tough for some clubs to force players to sign these extensions, they are out of contracts and it would be hard to blame them if they just say they will not play during the summer.
I thought it will be requested from the players but I guess it is not legally possible to do so.

Aiming for. I'd be surprised if they get things going within a month. It doesn't seem plausible. There's just far too many complications and complaints from teams and if/when they announce how the games will precede then you'll get teams complaining about whatever they've proposed. Even if the matches go ahead in the correct stadiums I'm sure some teams will complain about lack of fans or some other bullshit excuses as to why they're losing.

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It says in this article that they are aiming for a June 12th restart.

There has also been a meeting in which short-term contracts for players whose contracts expire on June 30th were discussed, they will be allowed but they have to be agreed by both sides - so the players need to accept them.
It might be tough for some clubs to force players to sign these extensions, they are out of contracts and it would be hard to blame them if they just say they will not play during the summer.
I thought it will be requested from the players but I guess it is not legally possible to do so.
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I'm not really sure what's wrong with EPL players and clubs. First they didn't accepted cut of payments, now some are complaining that they will have to play during pandemy, bottom table teams complaining about playing on neutral grounds. Why there is no such problrms in other major leagues?

The bottom clubs don’t want to get relegated so are trying their best to drag it out & I presume they hope the season will be cancelled. Sadly for them there is a lot of money at stake, big TV & sponsorship deals so the season will almost certainly be completed.
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I'm not really sure what's wrong with EPL players and clubs. First they didn't accepted cut of payments, now some are complaining that they will have to play during pandemy, bottom table teams complaining about playing on neutral grounds. Why there is no such problrms in other major leagues?
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OK yeah the news surrounding the concessions around Project Restart are bordering on the realm of nonsense now. Looking away from tackles. How do you condition your instinct? Diving took an entire generation to kick in =p

June 1 the earliest but yeah, for the first time since lockdown, I'm beginning to wonder now if we will see anything this summer.
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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/may/13/premier-league-football-project-restart-threat-coronavirus-safety

hilarious, there are rumours that neutral grounds won’t be necessary as long as the clubs are willing to pay for the police presence at home games they may be permitted to do normal home & away.

I'm sure the lower-league teams will cry about having to fork out for that too. Fans would have to be pretty stupid to loiter around stadiums, especially if they've been told not to. Even more stupid if they actually try to get into grounds. Just watch the game at home.
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hilarious, there are rumours that neutral grounds won’t be necessary as long as the clubs are willing to pay for the police presence at home games they may be permitted to do normal home & away.
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Players are to be told at a Premier League Project Restart briefing on Wednesday to turn their faces away after they have been tackled, according to reports.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8313191/Players-told-turn-faces-away-tackled-Project-Restart-briefing.html

Surely this isn't legit? If they seriously suggest things like this it's clear they shouldn't be playing games right now. I don't really think there should be any changes to the actual game. Neutral grounds and no crowds: fair enough, but suggesting people look away during tackles is ridiculous.

It seems there's going to be a big meeting today at 10AM between the PL, managers and medical staff. It will be interesting to see what comes out of that:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/11987034/premier-league-to-hold-conference-calls-with-captains-all-20-managers-and-medical-experts

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The Premier League will hold conference calls with club captains, managers and medical experts on Wednesday.

All 20 top-flight managers will attend the first-of-its kind meeting with Premier League officials to discuss the details of Project Restart.

I'm sure there'll still be the lower table teams complaining about neutral grounds.
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Good news to see that we will almost certainly see PL football return in the near future. I’ve missed the games so much, I will warm up by watching the Bundesliga Cheesy

Lol..  It's decent league tho if you get attached and know the players, the managers and the whole drama going on over there.  I watch it every now and then but if I had to reeaally follow another league...  It'd be the Championship.

Probably the same for me but only because of familiar faces and well, English. Every season I do try to identify one or two teams to follow anew from the big 4. This season it was Inter, and it's weird to see more familiar names than usual. I tried watching MLS before and I really couldn't get attached, it's just... somehow very different. They look like they run a lot but almost like watching a classic EPL match, you know what I mean?

Counting down the days, but trying not to expect too much.
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Good news to see that we will almost certainly see PL football return in the near future. I’ve missed the games so much, I will warm up by watching the Bundesliga Cheesy

Lol..  It's decent league tho if you get attached and know the players, the managers and the whole drama going on over there.  I watch it every now and then but if I had to reeaally follow another league...  It'd be the Championship.
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I agree hilarious & I think in the next meetings the PL reps will request that teams are allowed to play home & away as normal but obviously without fans.

The UK gov said that people can travel hours away from their homes to beauty spots to exercise or whatever so I don’t see why football teams can’t travel to various grounds to play. People are still getting on public transport like sardines in a can so I don’t see why teams can’t travel geographically across the UK.
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