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I get what you are saying but I don't mean they should look at offsides and stuff like that - more things that happen which they can't see. Like foul play that is obvious but for some reason no refs can see it and so then instead of someone in a room making the decision it would be better, IMO, if the head ref gets to see it from one of the cameras. But I've found that I'm quite alone in my opinion of liking VAR 

Like any new technology it takes time to be perfect. VAR will get better, I don’t see many decisions that are wrong just lots of fans moaning who get affected by VAR decisions. Those decisions in the Liverpool vs Wolves game were correct.

They do have it there as far as I'm aware, but I think they only consult it when it's deemed absolutely necessary, which is seemingly hardly ever. It seemed to happen a lot more in the EUROs and World Cup as the refs were trotting to the sidelines quite a lot in the games I remember watching. I would argue the opposite though and I think checking it is a waste of time and just adds to the farce. There's already a handful of officials viewing it and if they can't make their mind up then that should tell you everything. Let them make the decisions to speed things up. The ref will already have his view/opinion from what he saw but VAR is there to try make up for things the officials miss, which can be quite a lot as they can't see everything but that's just a part of the game and at this point I'd prefer it if most things were just left to them. There's already a huge issue in football with the ball being out of play almost as much as it's in and when we're having to take time out for VAR decisions it's just adding to that and even more so if we're having the refs run over to the sideline to watch ten replays.

I think VAR is great and in a few years it will play a key role but then thing I don't understand is why they don't have the TV on the sideline that the ref can look at. As it stands now someone that sits in the VAR room can't (no matter how much they look at video) see the same things that the ref on the pitch can. They should relay information and let the head ref take a look at rather than telling him what they see. Not sure if this is only in PL as I don't follow a lot of other leagues but yeah, just my 2 satoshis on the whole VAR debate.

It's probably not just VAR but the offside rule which needs changing.



If you had a camera looking straight down the line in my opinion there's a chance that might not even be offside but you can't tell 100% from than skewed angle. As I said above, change the rule so that only a part of your body needs to be onside so that goal would have stood. Give the benefit of the doubt to the attacking team and don't go all forensic trying to find some reason to disallow it. Personally I think attacking players should be given even more leeway on what is and isn't offside but I haven't thought of or seen a decent suggestion to how to allow or accommodate for that (and I don't want VAR to have to still take 5 minutes out of the game to try decide if it's still offside or not).


That's when it gets silly to me. We have the 'clear and obvious rule' so if it's not clear and obvious then don't go all CSI trying to look for evidence of a minor technicality to punish the team. I've joked that I'm just waiting for the time a player's swinging dick bulging through his shorts gets a goal disallowed  .


I don't think it is consistent though. Sure, they seem to be disallowing a lot of goals for the same thing, but there was one instance a while back where a goal was deemed offside but it actually wasn't. From the VAR angles it looked like it was offside but from some of the pitch-side cameras that weren't available during the game it was shown to be onside. I can't remember what game it was but I've talked about it in this thread and there's picture proof of it. There was also another game where the ball was deemed to have gone out of play but the wrong decision was given (think that might have been in the Champion's League though. Think I also commented on that in whichever tournament thread it happened in).


Sure, it would have been great to rule out Maradona's Hand of God back in the day but many seem to think that ruling goals offside for millimetres is overkill and unnecessary. I think you can look at it the other way as well. What happens if VAR disallows a trophy or title winning goal for the tiniest of things or maybe even gets it wrong and disallows something incorrectly. VAR is almost certainly here to stay but I think most people think it needs tweaking or streamlining and it's clearly not a perfect system. Goal-line technology seems to have got it right and its instantaneous. The ball goes over the line and the ref gets a buzz to alert him straight away. If it doesn't go over the ref knows and the game continues without any stoppages. VAR takes 2/3/5 minutes to forensically analyse whether someone is a pube-hair offside and it's just killing the game. I really think it's going to get to the point where there's silence in the stadiums after a goal and nobody dare's celebrate because they look like an idiot when it's disallowed.

Yup, these kind of situations are hard to call. That's why the ref on the pitch must decide.
Regarding Lallana's goal, it was a handball by VVD before passing to Lallana. It's all a matter of how far are we taking it now.

I'm for VAR, definitely. But not like this, FA really made a mess of it.

Regarding people talking, let them talk. It'll be even sweeter. We cheated our way to 15 points gap? Yep, sure.

cryptofrka, remember Mane’s goal against Southampton got disallowed for an armpit being offside too.
If I was a Wolves fan I’d be disappointed but that guys foot was offside.
It was never handball by Lallana too. It was harsh on Wolves both both decisions were correct.

This season is a dream come true, we’re so far clear, so much better than everybody else. It’s so funny how angry rival fans are online too. We are boiling peoples piss up & down the country

One last thing, the referee should be able to make his own decision by looking at the pitch side monitor. Other leagues in Europe allow this, I don’t know why we don’t.

No, most definitely not. It is a huge business, clubs are basically companies and 1 error can decide if you are a champion or not.
VAR must be a part of the game, it just needs to be implemented a lot better. Remember all these unfair games from before? They happen now as well, but way less often than before.

VAR is good. People using it are the guilty ones.


The thing is, they are not sure. That millimeter cannot be proven, remember Firmino's disallowed goal against Villa? No way these lines were acceptable. When unsure, we should either let the goal stand or allow the referee on the pitch to make these decisions.

Thanks man. It's my second yellow cap in the last couple of weeks..feels good to be in the top 10, just a few weeks ago I was this close to call it quits 

Nah, i actually like it. I like how they stay consistent, if Pukki's goal vs Spurs was ruled out because of milimiters, then the same should apply to Neto's goal.

But let's be honest, if stuff like this happens in a FA cup final or in a decisive game for the 4th spot in the league table in the last few games of the season, no one would say anything. I'm actually expecting something like that to happen towards the end of the season (VAR taking a crucial decision) and everyone changing their views on VAR to praise it.

Just imagine what would've happened if Neto's goal was the 1-2 in the '95 min and the VAR didn't intervine, the entire internet would be furious, posting images showing how Neto was offside by two pixels and the VAR should've dissallowed it 

^  Doesn't matter if VAR works better somewhere else.  All leagues should get rid of it and bring back the human factor in the game.  Football would be much more entertaining.  IMHO.

It’s half way through the season & our pool is looking like this (congrats to Pam for being the first to 200 points).

Exactly, football is played for the goals and this VAR bullshit when they watch the the situation 20 times and triangulate lines to prove that tip of attacker shoulder is half a millimeter in front of the last defender are total nonsense. I am waiting for the situation where attacker hair is in offside resulting with most of the players having contract clause to have to shave their head bald.

It seems to me that VAR is working much better in other leagues and competitions that have implemented it. That is really big slap to FA face. With biggest budget they should be able to provide best experience and definitely not settle for this.

They must think about this and have to do something serious about this I was also thinking they need to give benefit to goal scorer.

The FA really needs to change its VAR rules.

Yesterday's game was massacred because of it and although I'm a Liverpool fan I think that the Wolves goal should have stood.
In situations in which you cannot be sure you need to let initial decision stand, or at least give the decision in the hands of the referee on the pitch.

We have seen many of these disallowed so far, I think disallowing a goal when unsure really is not the best thing you can do.

I had 1-1 and another late goal cost me the points. Even with the correct score on the City game I end up with the wooden spoon  .


I really hope they change some things at the end of the season. As I've said before, don't go looking for things to cancel goals out. It takes far too much time out of the game and half of the time you'll be able to find something like a player pulling on a shirt or some other shit. Give each team three appeals each and that's it. Then they will use them wisely. As for the offsides, I think they should change the rule to make it so that only a part of your body has to be onside. VAR can't even currently 100% call out offsides effectively unless there's cameras running up and down the length of the pitch with the action because the cameras they use are always at an angle and you need to see straight down the line like the linesman can to be truly effective. I think one of the commentators said 22 goals have been ruled offside this season merely by centimetres alone. That's not including all the other disallowed goals.


I went from 7th all the way down to 16th in one round. I had a lot of results I was only goal off but I went for a load of draws as I couldn't split the teams and I guess it didn't pay off.


I didn't watch the game but I watched the highlights and I can't even make out where the Wolves offside was: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG1lIIj9_fU

Where is it? Liverpool didn't even seem to be claiming for it either.

There was also another controversy in the City game as the ball hit the ref and City scored from it. Personally I think they should just play on but they changed the rules at the beginning of this season about giving a drop ball when that happens and I've seen it done multiple times this season but in this game it wasn't given even after a var check: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UHPAAzJVX4

Far too much inconsistency in how rules are applied.

If I remember correctly, Wolves did not score only once until now. I expect to score tonight also, but it's very difficult. Also, Traore, which destroyed City was not in the first squad. With performance against Liverpool, they deserve better result. Much better played than Leicester.
I expect also Sheffield to score one goal, and I have been very close in the last minutes.
Anyway, congrats to you Tomahawk, nice round for you with 5 exact scores predict.

In the meantime, what's happened with hilariousanco, before Liverpool and Man. City games he earns zero points in this round.

Wow - nice round tomahawk9 !! 18.5 Pts .
I get 18 and come second - lol 
Anyway congrats mate

1 - 0 for Liverpool. I had 3 - 1 so I need to be happy with only 1 point. For the City match I have the same as you.

Talking about the Liverpool match, Wolves really played well in the 2nd half. In fact, in the 2nd half it was almost 50/50 for both teams.
Dangerous Attackes: Liverpool 28, Wolves 29
Attacks : Liverpool 69, Wolves 51
Corner kicks : Liverpool 3, Wolves 3

If that goal in the first half for Wolves was stayed then we could see a different result. Unlucky Wolves.

The result went our way (still over 20 mins to go of course) so I should be happy but definitely I'm always pissed when VAR is called when no one questioned it. I mean Teemu Pukki yesterday, Mane a few games ago and Firmino's armpit... no one, not even the conceding team, would have questioned it seriously but of course VAR had to have its say.

Though really the Lallana not-handball, the ref got that wrong so VAR righted it. But did we need 3 minutes to decide? Stupid.

Anyway, Wolves are tough as nails. 20 mins ++ to see them out. Got a parlay leg already taken care of (HT Reds WIN) but I still want to finish this halfway mark only dropping 2 points!

That and the fact that Arteta decided to park the bus (I saw Laca as a defensive midfilder and Auba as a left back LOL) while being 1-0 even though Arsenal have one of the worst defences in the league 😂 (two clean sheets in 19 games).

Devastating blow for Arsenal, they were pretty decent today (mostly in the 1st half), but one single mistake and then everything falls apart in just 4 minutes.

About our pool, i need Man City and Liverpool to win 2-0 and 3-0 respectively to get 6 more pts (: