Topic: ⭐⚽⭐ Sportsbet's Bitcointalk Sports Fanatics League (BSFL) – 10000$ rewards ⭐⚽⭐ - page 343. (Read 107575 times)

Let's say it like this - the rules are good, but it isn't good for the competition. We need to find a middle ground - keep the competition fair and competitive, while offering something to the casuals as well.
The problem with H2H competitions is that casuals can't be the majority, because it ruins the concept.

I don't see us ever redtagging somebody in BSFL - after all, we're here to make virtual friends and have fun. We also want to keep the door open for new players, not scare them away with fees and penalties.

We need to do a bit of both - keep you guys happy and engaged while maintaining high numbers for SB - and we already have some decent ideas we'll be implementing.

But @Trofo and @cryptofrka, aren't the rules good when you knock somebody out after the person failed to submit results three times? Unless someone comes out and announces that there is some serious issue/illness, it should just be disqualification and period.

As I have failed to submit on time once, I know that there can be circumstances involving health issues from either yourself or someone close to you, but getting three passes on failed submissions is certainly enough. The problem is that you have all the work to do to update things when after 10 rounds someone failed to submit for the third time, which I think an upfront paid fee could be good for.

I don't know what others think, but if we include a rule that says something like: if somebody fails to pay the fine for not submitting three times, negative trust on the account could be given for not living up to agreed upon terms. Once the payment is done, negative trust could be removed.

I fully understand the need for remedy here and developing the questions is enough work to do. Starting to update the tables every two weeks is annoying. I guess no suggestion to solve this will be perfect, but it might make people think before they submit their BSFL application.

Initially we thought we'd grow to 20 teams per season and that we'll have 2-round competition, meaning 38 rounds per season - like most football leagues.
By gauging interest, we now feel that 1-round is the sweet spot, and that 16 per league is great as well.

We like that it's more dynamic this way, if you start a 30-team season with 5 losses it's kinda hard to keep interest for the next 20 games, in a short season it goes away quickly and you still have relegation to avoid.

We also need to have some sort of Division 3 - we need to keep growing and we need a league that's not so serious where we can put new members.

I don't know know if you and/or Trofo saw my post about the possible option going forward to make it more competitive, I said we might be better of with just two Divisions, but with higher number of participant, I mean if we can have 40-50 or participant on SuperBRU, I think the division with 20-25 users and Division with 30 more users will be better and more competitive and someone failing to submit for a week will not have as much significance as it current have with less number of users per division, the only con is that the season might have to go longer than the current plan, but if that will promote engagement and not give anyone the opinion of being way below in the 3rd division and looking at how long it will take to make it to the elite group might be a sort of discouragement, that's just my opinion, I could possibly be very wrong about it.

Most of what we're discussing will be implemented from next season - we are not introducing rules when we feel like it.
However - BSFL costs a lot of money to run. We need to be fair to the sponsors, and if we see issues early on (like Division 3B), we need to try and find ways to counter it.

Trofo and myself spoke thoroughly this week on how to remedy the current situation, eventually we decided not to have huge changes mid-season because it would be against the rules. Personally, I was exploring a single, 16-team Division 3 from this season already - but it was impossible to achieve it.

One thing is clear though - if we don't find a way to fix it, people will start losing interest and SB will not be that interested in running BSFL anymore.

It's easy to stand on the sidelines yelling 'not fair', but we as organizers have to have a broader overview if we want BSFL to grow and improve.

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As Trofo said - we implemented a failsafe this season. You submit, open the spreadsheet, if your name is there, you're good. If it isn't, something with the forms did not work for you.
If you have multiple Gmail accounts, the form sometimes asks you to confirm the account after you click 'submit'. Maybe that's what's causing you issues.

I don't agree that Davis Cup games are boring. Maybe in this format, but in the previous format where one nation was always playing at home, the atmosphere could have been compared to that of a football game. OK, we can't compare football with another sport because... Well... It's football. But I remember Croatia playing Davis Cup at home and those games were everything but boring. However, tennis is not that popular to make fans travel to another country to cheer for their national team so this format sucks!

I have been wondering for quite some time whether these Davis Cup games really have the status that the players repeatedly emphasize. But do those games really matter to the top players when there are Grand Slams, ATP 1000s and perhaps Olympics to be played? My feeling is that they don't really care. It can't be compared to football and games of the national teams.


Well in this round it couldn't get any more brutal for you @cryptofrka. Harkorede is playing a perfect round and he is the only one from division 1 to have a perfect 4/4. Hard to counter that. It is time to congratulate him for the free bet. I thought being early might pay off here, but with that performance he is going to win it easy.

Whenever it's about goals and you deal with highly attacking teams like Liverpool and Manchester City, I feel like penalty outcome is very high. And both Salah/Haaland convert high percentage also.

I agree, BSFL I always went against score/assist question except Messi in season 2 and had high rate of greens.

This season I went No with Lukaku and he scored 4 goals LOL

Stats are meaningless, but yes I feel like I have advantage GL!!

I didnt know tennis can get even more boring and depressing than it already is.
Hours and hours of guys hitting the ball left and right, that only makes me fall a sleep easier.

This is payback for all the mafia manipulation from last season, so you need to start playing more fair.

Well done Harkorede and few other guys for having all correct answers so far in this round.
Weekend is near and we finally have some real action with top leagues coming back after international break.

I don't understand what is causing you a problem but there is an easy failsafe. Spreadsheet is open this season, meaning anyone can look at it and see if they submitted.

As soon as you click send there is your name and timestamp shown in sheet while your answers are hidden. Just check if it is there.

We wrote about it before and i am double checking my entry every time. If anyone has problems contact us before the deadline. After deadline passes there is nothing we can do anymore.

I am realizing that they have put me on "0", in a situation that I do not understand, in fact this week I had to slow down my publication rate, due to personal time issues, but just this week, in fact I sent my responses on Same Sunday, I'm catching up on the thread and checking, and it seems that the answers did not arrive. I don't know what happened with that Google forms.

If I had not done such a thing, I would not enter a message like this, in fact, I have had these penalties before, and without complaints, so, announce that somehow my responses were not recorded(spreadsheet).
So, I am going to check if somehow the cache or there is something there that can prove it, I repeat, I would not be writing this to you if I had not done such a thing.

It already happened to me once, for some reason if you leave the form open for a couple of hours, and return to the form it tells you that the answers were saved, and when it updates it does not record the last answers that you included after that period of time, but obviously when it is updated, it does register them and send them. The same thing happened to me the 1st match, and! by the way my rival didn't send them on time or I think he didn't send them at all, It may or may not be relevant whether I sent them or not, but mine came out on Thursday, a situation that was repeated today, having sent them before.


With all these words I am not making a claim to compensate and accept my answers, the rules are written and it is my word against the rules, but I would not put my reputation at stake for 3 points to lie about sending a form, I just know that I sent them.

I take the moment to write this because it already happened to me once, but above all because I belong to the BSFL, which is a community that I like and that I read, although sometimes one does not react with replies, I read the thread, given this week particular that I have had due to personal matters, I started in the thread at post I cited below about my rival whom I beat decisively, it is good to say it, over and over again,

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I speak for myself, but I think that not everyone should put themselves in a bag, and having said that I think that not everyone forgets it, in my case if I am not on my laptop that I use to connect to, for example, Google-Forms, I don't do it. I think the same thing happened to someone, I don't remember, but I know they said something similar, I thought, ah, I'm not the only one who has that consideration, but as I said, that's not the case now.

On the other hand, it seems crazy to me that this type of thing is being discussed in the middle of the season, the rules are there, they were discussed, and! As happens in any event, there is always a prior consultation, clarification, reforms, before starting the season.

To be specific about the fee, I'm in Div 2 because they put me there but when this started, I was one of the first to say, "I pay the fee", but the draft to Div1 was so good that being in Div2 was good too.

I'm not writing this to generate more drama by any means, but I think the debate about those points(penalties), quotas, eliminations, etc. It must be addressed, I will repeat it at another time, at end of season.
Consequently given the situation presented again, it cannot be taken as a reflection of certain comments have I read.

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The more I read about this question, the less I am satisfied with the decision I made. The little details like the two being penalty takers or the fun watching the game when you picked both to score, I should have probably gone with both scoring.

But at least slaman29 and I have another question being answered differently. That's something, because sometimes it is quite boring when you see that there are only two or three questions deciding about the final result.

@slaman29 I am also fine with Salah scoring and Haaland missing a penalty in minute 97'

had same thinking as you did, it is hard to get one player to score, and other don't, and pick right one to score
with a difference that I took both to score, not because I am convinced that they will, it will be just better feeling to watch and wait for a goal scored, than to watch and looking forward to see them not scoring

but overall, it will probably be one to score, and I hope that at least one will, because my opponent has neither to score as answer

Agree 100% with this. And you made me remember that final, was incredible, i only watch tennis when some Argentinian player is having a good time, and when the team of Copa Davis reach high instance of the tournament.

That tournaments were played with the heart, Delbonis winning the last game when he is a pretty low average player. And the Del Potro game, coming back from a 2-0 down, amazing. With Maradona in the stands.

All that tournament argentina played with not so good players, Pella, Delbonis Mayer, Zeballos. Years ago we have better teams and we ended up losing in the final, it was one missing trohpies for us in sports.

Heck I was happy when I read this by my phone but when I check the spreadsheet, I just realized that I put them to lose on semi final instead lol. Not sure what was on my mind when I clicked that but I should be picking quarter final instead. I guess I gotta thouroughly check next week before submitting


Well I dont think it matters alot though because even if the first red card was a yellow instead, it will still be over 5.5 booking points but yeah it was a pretty intense game after all

Smart consideration that I didn't think about. But my approach to this question was different than yours although I did not conduct any statistical research on that, but I assumed that getting right one to score and the other player not felt very unlikely, but I say "felt" because I can't really back it up with anything.


I did well in the past with betting against a top scorer scoring or assisting. This might be subjective, but I believe I have been right more often than I have been wrong. But as I am thinking about it now, I guess you may have the upper hand statistically. The point you mentioned that both are penalty takers should not be underestimated and I didn't think about that. Perhaps you have outsmarted me here! 👍

It only happened two times that both strikers did not score on the same matchday. It happened five times that both scored on the same matchday and five times that only one of them scored. I know it is not perfectly representative because the matchup makes a difference as well, but just as an overview this could be interesting.

I thought this was really risky, I know they like cards in this part of the world but also like 0-0 draws so I'm really glad this pick brings me level with you. 2 out of 4 is much better performance than before so yes, lets go!

I think the trickiest luck question is City-Liverpool. Haaland and Salah are the goalscorers but tend to be quiet on and off. But both are also penalty takers so it's risky to leave them out!!

I'm glad you left both out News says Haaland injured but its a lie

It's insane actually - how I keep losing.
Brazil had their first defeat at home EVER in the history of the qualifiers, you guessed it. You had over booking points, there was a direct red in the 15th minute.

My picks have value, I'm sure. But tbh - Division 1 has been rough to me so far.


I'm quite happy with how I worded this. Australia was a big favorite, yet 18 people chose that the Czechs would go through.
To be fair, Lehecka was really close to winning it for them, he lost a tie-break against De Minaur before tightly losing 7-5 in the 3rd set.


Fully agree, I watched this live - it was a great experience. I wasn't mad at all, Čilić played fantastic tennis. When Delpo upped his game, you could simply see he reached a zone where he's untouchable.
A special, special player - too bad about his injuries. He would have had something to say against all the greats of this era.

Well I think when you compare cards to goals, I think the frequency for late cards (also in higher numbers) is much higher than for late goals. Getting yellow cards late in the game is almost guaranteed. When there is only one yellow card missing in a relatively lively game where there is still something on the line, it is usually going to be given to someone for wasting time, tactical foul, getting off their jersey for scoring late (correlation there), etc.

When I saw the red card in minute 14' I knew I didn't have to check whether my pick could have still held. But events like a red card early in the game almost always put any pick at risk where some thought was put into. Not even the early goal was positive for the over 1.5 goals / over 5.5 booking as obviously that would spark much higher intensity.

Good game @slaman29, next one, let's go!

it was a combo, Serbia with Djokovic, but he played only doubles
so, basically, he was there, but didn't play singles, so it could be said that it was Serbia without Djokovic

it is still a question will it be same now, he wouldn't play single match as well, or will be different
and it does influence our chances to win it by a maximum, AFAIK, singles are not announced yet