Topic: Stake holding my balance $70,000 claiming ODDS PROVIDER INVESTIGATION - page 3. (Read 2326 times)

Fake documents or not they cant keep the OPs money. If he is responsible for some fraud on his wins they have to show evidence. Only that money could be seized. They cant keep the money under the excuse of a endless investigation.

Probably investigation about your case is over.
after you have submitted false documents (and not just once, but several times), do you really expect someone to be fair to you?
I think all you have to do is count the days that have passed since you almost fooled them. the worst thing they could do now pays you your winnings

What kind of responsibility, I am open to negotiating with stake if they wish to do so. I am more than happy to provide all the details they need as well which might help them as well but constantly calling me a match fixer without any proof of the players or the games being fixed is childish at best.

I was even allowed to gamble for 20 days until I questioned them why I am allowed to gamble if I have done something wrong? Would you accept bets from an illegal/illegible player?

@stunna I am locking the thread until the investigation is complete to avoid being off-topic. Once the investigation is complete, I expect a DM/email from you and then if we can't find a common ground, I'll re-open the thread.

I have unlocked the thread as I have a question for stake

Since you believe some games were fixed, have you refunded any players who lost money on those games?

And please post the result of the player investigation. Its been 40 days lets see how long it takes if any investigation is actually going on

Sometimes all you need to do to find your answer is right in front of you...  When things like this happen, do you think KYC is for fun?  Do you not think Stake has some liability if they allow someone to claim a prize using someone else's documents or information?  Don't you think the information provided before the win should match the information provided after the win?  You can't at all for yourself see the problem that it would present if they just allowed anyone to submit any fake documents they want and then decide to submit real documents after they win?  Don't you know that if you're losing and you use your real documents, you can write those off as losses?  Why provide the correct documentation after a win and fake documents before?  It's absolutely backwards thinking.  I think maybe you should take some responsibility here and perhaps then you'd be able to negotiate some sort of settlement or something.

To make things clear...

Well, I can confirm I am NOT involved in any match-fixing and not sure about what you have said above.

There are various tipsters I follow for esports and sports because they have a high win % on their picks but that doesn't mean they are match fixers. I would like to see the result of players being investigated as you mentioned and if it turns out what you said is true, which I am sure is not, I'll accept the decision of closing my account and lock this thread.

Since you have replied even though not the expected reply, I have now closed/withdrawn the flag as well. I respect and wish to support any investigation but that doesn't mean silence for a month. If you have been replying via emails and/or support I wouldn't have created this thread in first place

While I am having to greatly redact what I can share due to an ongoing investigation and not wanting to reveal our internal integrity measures. I will provide some insight into this situation. It is of our firm belief that user is engaged in match fixing and these concerns were echoed by our odds provider who independently warned us of your activity. On this thread you are witnessing some members of this match fixing ring all desperate to get their cut of this money.

OP found some information regarding fixed table tennis matches as he started taking maximum amount of profit from bets there where he never wagered before like that. His own XRP address had a transaction sent to a prior caught match fixer which looks like a payout for the information he got via him.

This link to the above match-fixing ring, in hindsight, likely gave the customer access to funds that subsequently increased staking - 75% of the accounts turnover occurred between Nov 2021 and 12th Jan after being operative since Nov 2019.

The customers Table Tennis activity on 8th Jan was flagged by our  team after the user suspiciously bet on a very precise result as the match went Live. Within 22s the user bet on the match to finish 3-0 for €6.5k at 2.0; 50s later €5.7k at 2.6 on there being exactly 3 games in the match; 26s later, another €700 on Correct Score 3-0 at 2.2; and then 2x more for €1.5k total on exactly 3 games 3mins later; total loss from user on this match was -€17.5k

This most recent example was backing against a player which user then proceeded to back against on two more occasions on the 10th and then 11th of January - another sign of match-fixing with a syndicate in contact with, or ‘having their hooks into’, a player.

During January on Table Tennis the customer had 32 bets, all on a specific Table tennis competition, winning 29 of them at avg odds of 2.23. We laid €266k of Table Tennis bets in this time - an avg of €8.3k per bet Vs an avg. of €423 (1,965% increase) per bet since the accounts 1st bet in Nov 2019. The 3 bets which lost saw us make €5.4k profit, but in total during the month of January on Table Tennis we lost -€229.4k to the user — highly suspicious activity. The players in question are being investigated by the organizers of the table tennis tournament.

This situation was made even worse by OP trying to pass a variety of suspected fake identification documents as his own, all of which were rejected by our integrity team. This resulted in a block of your account. You sent us 4 different ID's all of them with different names, different numbers, and even different nationalities and places of birth.

All the above mentioned facts in conjunction with the ongoing investigation that confirmed your links to a well known match-fixer, support our decision of blocking your account and we will be pursuing the return of any funds.

@ Stunna

Why is the player not refunded his bet amount and then can wait for the possible winnings (if they are clean) .

Confiscating his winnings as well as the stake is stealing in my eyes. I mean the bets are won, there is no way he can lose the money he bet.

Also, why is all his other money blocked from withdrawing? The money/winnings in question have not been paid anyway.

@OP: I saw hoe Eddie pretty much ignored you on the stream, what a sad clown.

I saw your request to support your type 2 Flag against Stunna. I have not supported it.

How long does this usually take? Can it take months or even years if there's a legal procedure involved? Or will you assume no foul play happened if no evidence can be produced within a reasonable amount of time?

So you admit to identity fraud. That being said, I'm not sure what the (legal) implications of this will be. I don't really see how your identity matters as long as you're not involved in match fixing. My assumption is that KYC is meant to know who to report to authorities in case there is evidence of (illegal) match fixing.

That means the Flag is slightly inaccurate:

This is pretty much disgusting from Stake and their provider whomever that is. Allowing this case to drag on for as long as it has, with no resolution in sight either way and no clear timeline when it will be resolved is unbecoming. The OP shouldn't have to resort to posting in public forums begging for an update.

The stake integrity team is not even replying to my host. What kind of team is this that hasn't replied to me since 20 days and are not even replying to the host assigned by them

No update as yet, I don't know what to do really apart from waiting for stake. It's over a month now and the odds provider has not even provided an update so far. I don't know what kind of investigation they are doing or how much progress they have made.

Stake/stunna please at least provide an update?

I'm gambling at stake not at the odds provider website so you should be able to answer me. You cannot just leave me hanging in the middle by saying we cannot do anything, sorry.

I don't know the odds provider, I gambled and deposited at stake so from my perspective YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR HANDLING MY FUNDS and providing me a resolution

I would like to learn more about this story. I know that stake is a trustworthy company, but several days have passed on no news from you. Is your case solved or not?

I think you have raised the right question in right place. But this is not only about stake. 1xbit does the same as well as other companies. There are some aspects like what if that you have raised here that you can't know in advance. However, and unfortunately, this shady behaviour is standard and we can't do anything with that.

Well, It's a bit off-topic and makes no sense to quote you. But, After you post here I remember about Sportsbet's and they are one of the biggest Platforms. If the Stake cannot maintain its reputation. How do other casinos maintain their reputation? Take SportsBet for example. They are in the market for a long time now. How the hell they don't have Scam accusations and Stake has more than 3 new accusations every month? This is what Stake have to think about.

@Stunna, A Question based on your last answer. If you guys suspect something bad like a fixed match in some specific tournament, Why don't you guys remove the tournament from your side? Another Question is, Suppose someone losses a lot amount on fixed matches, What do you guys do then? Do you return the lost amount to the users? Or do you guys keep them?

Not sure but if you decide a player won't be verified then better not to ask him for selfie. Anyways I hope withdrawal only mode will be enabled once the integrity team is done with their stuff, been a month now so hopefully happens soon

It's a pity. They are considered to be a reliable and trustworthy website. This shady behavior is not the best way to treat clients.

Just a guess, but it might have something to do with you sending in documents from 4 different people while trying to verify your own - I could see how that would make things unnecessarily complicated and result in some sort of miscommunication.

The integrity team has not replied for 20 days and the support is NOT ABLE TO DO ANYTHING

Just to clarify, there is no update from stake via email I sent more than 15 days ago

I was asked to send a selfie holding my document (for KYC which is normal) and I have done that. Let's see what happens next.

Update

They asked for a selfie and after I have provided them with it, they are now saying that my account CANNOT be verified because earlier I send fake documents. I don't understand why they asked for selfie if I was banned from submitting KYC in first place as mentioned by the support??

Please, keep the community updated with your case cause stake is considered to be a reputable website. I think it is important to know how this story ends.