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Quote from: arallmuus on July 20, 2020, 03:02:10 PM

Edit : @Symphonized : Your signature still says Stake 2 , you might want to change it to Stake 3 Tongue

True, Thank You for the heads up Wink

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One of the best parts about stake was the fact that they were their own providers and they were dealing with everything themselves. I think it is amazing that there is a lot more games but I am not sure about how much I trust those other providers, I know stake and love stake, I do not know the other ones, the other ones are brand new to me and I am not sure if I trust them or not.

However this is definitely a step towards something much better, this is just a good improvement, and stake 3 came in a bit too big obviously, there was smaller improvements along the way during this period in v2 but with v3 now it is a lot bigger. Hopefully we will get used to the other providers as well and we can use this amazing amount of games, it is definitely something that can occupy someones mind for a long time.

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Quote from: actmyname on July 20, 2020, 04:06:57 PM

Remember, I'm not complaining about Stake at all. I'm complaining about these providers. That's an important distinction.

It seems to me that you are complaining about their decision to side with all these non provably fair game provider Tongue

but I truly get your point and your frustration on this matter. For a site like Stake that boast their site being provably fair to side with all these game providers might seems to be an unpleasant thing to some people

They have made their decision and have put all those 3rd party game on their site, This will be a starting point to wether Stake will be more popular in the future with all these new games or this would be their downfall for siding with non provably fair provider. I personally choose to believe on the former option Wink

Well atleast Stake put the house edge of those 3rd party game in the game description unlike some other site that host the same game Roll Eyes

You should try and check their live game like Monopoly, its fun to watch even if you are not betting any Tongue

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Quote from: arallmuus on July 20, 2020, 03:02:10 PM

Not provably fair doesnt mean that the site is cheating, it just means you cant verify wether the site cheats you or not and it only works if you verify your own bets otherwise it doesnt.

I do know that. I also do know that not knowing whether my money was wagered fairly or not means that cynicism and skepticism should be the default. We don't automatically assume the best of others in hypotheticals, do we? That would be an incredibly silly way to operate!

Quote from: arallmuus on July 20, 2020, 03:02:10 PM

I doubt that majority of the player would verify their bets one by one after rolling tons with the autobet on the original stake game, do you?

We have bots for that, but regardless just because a minority of players actually care that their bets are verifiable doesn't mean that it's not important. Wink

Remember, I'm not complaining about Stake at all. I'm complaining about these providers. That's an important distinction.

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Quote from: actmyname on July 20, 2020, 01:52:41 PM

Quote from: arallmuus on July 20, 2020, 01:46:22 PM

Quote from: actmyname on July 20, 2020, 09:34:00 AM

A disclaimer would be nice.

Either something to the ends of "this is a third-party game provider and is not provably fair" or just explicitly stating that you can't verify their bets.

Every game that is provided by the 3rd party is not provably fair and it is easy to differrentiate which

Yes, but how would an unfamiliar player know that they weren't provably fair? Could easily build the association between Stake and provably fairness, rather than with Stake's original games and provably fairness.

Quote from: arallmuus on July 20, 2020, 01:46:22 PM

Think of it as a brand and those huge brand ( game provider ) could possibly bring in more new player to the site

I understand this, but it still doesn't mean I can't rag on the providers for a lack of provable fairness. Just because they are reputable does not mean that they cannot cheat in some form: that would be a huge logic gap that is massively exploitable.

Not provably fair doesnt mean that the site is cheating, it just means you cant verify wether the site cheats you or not and it only works if you verify your own bets otherwise it doesnt. I doubt that majority of the player would verify their bets one by one after rolling tons with the autobet on the original stake game, do you?

I get your concern regarding this but I believe that Stake has come to a tough decision by associating the site with all these game providers that has no provably fair system built on it. By associating the site with this 3rd party provider, Stake is also exposing their own players to the possibility of being cheated however I doubt that Stake would keep silent whenever there is a case where these providers cheat their players.

Stake need to attract larger pack of crowd to their site in other to survive the other competitor and to do that, it would be faster to use 3rd party provider then to code all their own game from scratch.

Edit : @Symphonized : Your signature still says Stake 2 , you might want to change it to Stake 3 Tongue

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Quote from: arallmuus on July 20, 2020, 01:46:22 PM

Quote from: actmyname on July 20, 2020, 09:34:00 AM

A disclaimer would be nice.

Either something to the ends of "this is a third-party game provider and is not provably fair" or just explicitly stating that you can't verify their bets.

Every game that is provided by the 3rd party is not provably fair and it is easy to differrentiate which

Yes, but how would an unfamiliar player know that they weren't provably fair? Could easily build the association between Stake and provably fairness, rather than with Stake's original games and provably fairness.

Quote from: arallmuus on July 20, 2020, 01:46:22 PM

Think of it as a brand and those huge brand ( game provider ) could possibly bring in more new player to the site

I understand this, but it still doesn't mean I can't rag on the providers for a lack of provable fairness. Just because they are reputable does not mean that they cannot cheat in some form: that would be a huge logic gap that is massively exploitable.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on July 20, 2020, 02:02:14 AM

Quick drop from 100% provably fair games to ~1%. Gotta be said.

Yeah thats the main issue with all this games by various providers. They are generally trusted but not provablyfair.

If you care about provablyfair as much as we do you can still play only Stake originals games.

However hopefully we can push the industry towards provablyfair and one day hopefully there won't be any casino games that are not provablyfair.

If you cant beat them, Join them

. I wont really judge the decision to finally add these kind of providers into your site but wether people like or even hate it, it will definitely give more traffic to the site

There are tons of other newly popped out site around here that adds all game from these providers , as a result they have quite significant amount of player

Quote from: actmyname on July 20, 2020, 09:34:00 AM

A disclaimer would be nice.

Either something to the ends of "this is a third-party game provider and is not provably fair" or just explicitly stating that you can't verify their bets.

Every game that is provided by the 3rd party is not provably fair and it is easy to differrentiate which

Quote from: actmyname on July 20, 2020, 09:34:00 AM

The worst part, really, is that the whole process is not difficult to create for many of the games that have been added: slots being a huge part of the pool, and those already have predetermined results which could have easily been generated with various provably fair systems.

Think of it as a brand and those huge brand ( game provider ) could possibly bring in more new player to the site

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This new update is pretty decent in my opinion. The big pro is the ability to check details regarding the game like house edge etc before playing which is something I usually check though provably fair mechanism is an issue as the posters above pointed out.

Also, the segregation of Stake Originals and 3rd party games in an organized manner is another pro. However, performance still needs improvement in many departments on mobile and desktop.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on July 20, 2020, 02:02:14 AM

Quick drop from 100% provably fair games to ~1%. Gotta be said.

A disclaimer would be nice.

Either something to the ends of "this is a third-party game provider and is not provably fair" or just explicitly stating that you can't verify their bets. The worst part, really, is that the whole process is not difficult to create for many of the games that have been added: slots being a huge part of the pool, and those already have predetermined results which could have easily been generated with various provably fair systems.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on July 20, 2020, 02:02:14 AM

Quick drop from 100% provably fair games to ~1%. Gotta be said.

Yes this is the main disadvantage for Stake of adding those games from 3rd party providers.
But on the other side, it gives them more players because there are many gamblers who love to play those games from 3rd party providers.

Quote from: DarkStar_ on July 19, 2020, 06:54:06 PM

Yep, they're coming. AFAIK they're currently in beta and you can get early access if you have a high enough VIP level and request it.

I do not need to access the beta as it is open for public already

I'm not really sure if Platinum II is a high enough rank to get early access for something like this.
But I have once got early access for the sportsbook some time ago.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on July 20, 2020, 02:02:14 AM

Quick drop from 100% provably fair games to ~1%. Gotta be said.

Thats right, but evolution games is a big provider afaik, and i am assuming stake did their due diligence and the other providers are fair/reputable as well.
This provides some needed variety to the casino folks on stake, and anyone concerned about provable fairness can always stick to stake originals Wink

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on July 20, 2020, 02:02:14 AM

Quick drop from 100% provably fair games to ~1%. Gotta be said.

Yeah thats the main issue with all this games by various providers. They are generally trusted but not provablyfair.

If you care about provablyfair as much as we do you can still play only Stake originals games.

However hopefully we can push the industry towards provablyfair and one day hopefully there won't be any casino games that are not provablyfair.

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Quick drop from 100% provably fair games to ~1%. Gotta be said.

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Another great update of Stake, a lot of novelties this last weeks! Providing casino games from various providers is something a lot of players want (I for sure will test it out), so I am curious to see how many new members they can bring aboard with this new update.

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Quote from: Stunna on July 20, 2020, 01:15:59 AM

Stake version 3 is now live! Exciting day for Stake, all your favorites are finally under one roof Cheesy

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Another great updates from Stake, I noticed about this version 3 from the twitter on the twit of a riddle "version three is coming" and today it is indeed coming as scheduled. Congrats Stake, now we can play more games from various providers. Players wont need to move to other sites to play 3rd party providers now as it is now available here. I'll check what providers are available here, hopefully I can find my favorite providers and favorite slot games.

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Quote from: Haunebu on July 19, 2020, 02:47:58 PM

This is the big con associated with crypto which scammers take advantage of on a regular basis. Even if they pursue this matter and try to screw the scammers, it would most likely result in a waste of time since these scammers usually never disclose their true identities.

The best thing that can be done here is to warn gamblers to avoid these sites through this forum, review sites etc. Apart from this, I don't think anything else will be beneficial.

Yup,,, I think we as a crypto community who love the way crypto gambling allows us to keep our privacy should also understand that this privacy benefit cuts both ways. The only way we have to protect ourselves is to do this. Keep telling each other what is good in an objective and unbiased way, keep supporting what is good, and keep warning everyone else about what is bad.

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Quote from: panjul07 on July 18, 2020, 01:28:55 PM

I noticed that there is a new feature to filter the casino games by "providers", does it mean that Stake is going to add games from 3rd party providers?
If no, I do not think there should be such filter feature as all the games are original games from Stake.
So I guess Stake will add games from 3rd party providers in the future.
If it is true, I can say that it will be good addition as there will be more games to play and high likely there will be much more promotions.

Yes it will coming this monday, if you are on platinum vip, you can ask the early access on your vip host.

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Quote from: panjul07 on July 18, 2020, 01:28:55 PM

I noticed that there is a new feature to filter the casino games by "providers", does it mean that Stake is going to add games from 3rd party providers?
If no, I do not think there should be such filter feature as all the games are original games from Stake.
So I guess Stake will add games from 3rd party providers in the future.
If it is true, I can say that it will be good addition as there will be more games to play and high likely there will be much more promotions.

Yep, they're coming. AFAIK they're currently in beta and you can get early access if you have a high enough VIP level and request it.

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