Topic: Stolen account yussuf89 - page 2. (Read 8938 times)
Seems like EalFSkillz/Pandacoin (same person) wants to hinder any advances to a solution.
I know its probably just a gargantuan idea, but I think that the forum needs a small team to investigate shit like this. Before day before yesterday I had never been in the "Meta" section of the forum. I didn't know what it was so I never went in there. Now all I see is hack account, stole account, help account hacked. I know that a small team to research this stuff is far fetched but anything to detour this sort of behavior would be splendious. I'd give anything to have someone look at my account and see that it was hacked. Hell its been 2 weeks now and not even a sniff on my account. Just a idea though. I know it won't go nowhere, but oh well.
Would be interesting but probably won't happen. What would be better is the implement email or 2FA..
What was your account that got hacked?
Convicted2008
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/candystripes-stole-my-account-convicted2008-952735
Here's the thread if you wanna read it. But I think something needs to be done about this. I know alot of users including me have lacked security, mainly because for me example, this forum held no "monetary" value. But it seems that alot of people are being hacked in other ways. I admit by me downloading that 999dice.exe file was a mistake on my end and don't deny it, but these other pplz threads that I've read, some seem to have been secure or thought they was.
I know its probably just a gargantuan idea, but I think that the forum needs a small team to investigate shit like this. Before day before yesterday I had never been in the "Meta" section of the forum. I didn't know what it was so I never went in there. Now all I see is hack account, stole account, help account hacked. I know that a small team to research this stuff is far fetched but anything to detour this sort of behavior would be splendious. I'd give anything to have someone look at my account and see that it was hacked. Hell its been 2 weeks now and not even a sniff on my account. Just a idea though. I know it won't go nowhere, but oh well.
Would be interesting but probably won't happen. What would be better is the implement email or 2FA..
What was your account that got hacked?
I know its probably just a gargantuan idea, but I think that the forum needs a small team to investigate shit like this. Before day before yesterday I had never been in the "Meta" section of the forum. I didn't know what it was so I never went in there. Now all I see is hack account, stole account, help account hacked. I know that a small team to research this stuff is far fetched but anything to detour this sort of behavior would be splendious. I'd give anything to have someone look at my account and see that it was hacked. Hell its been 2 weeks now and not even a sniff on my account. Just a idea though. I know it won't go nowhere, but oh well.
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marcotheminer now fully controls the account and unless the loan is repaid by the agreed date, it will be sold and 0.37btc will be kept by marcotheminer, the rest given to Zeki. Please remove negative trust.
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marcotheminer now fully controls the account and unless the loan is repaid by the agreed date, it will be sold and 0.37btc will be kept by marcotheminer, the rest given to Zeki. Please remove negative trust.
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I've removed my negative feedback for yussuf89 account since both of you have agreed to a solution to resolve the issue.
It could be that Yussuf89 is not hacked however the abcense of getting a signed message implies that you are going to accept hacked accounts as collateral. Zeki has proven that he at one point ownes the account and theymos/BadBear have concluded that the account was in fact hacked, likely because the IP address of the person who posted their loan request has similar IP address range as other accounts that were hacked in the past.
The absence of me getting a signed message means I put too much trust in others' ability to safeguard their account.
Nothing like this has happened before. The claim that I had a hacked account as collateral from before was never justified by the so caller 'owner'.
I have created threads saying that it is a major issue that email verification and 2FA aren't available, this issue goes to show just that.
I've removed my negative feedback for yussuf since they've come to an agreement so they can resolve it, and replaced it with appropriate feedback for marcotheminer.
im not sure the former is the right thing to do. Yes they do appear to have reached an agreement and yes it is a free market however the agreement is clearly not something that treats all parties appropriatly based on how much they are at fault. I do think all parties would likely fare best if the account is sold and I don't think Marco should have a total loss......how much of a loss there should be is something I am not sure. As far as the later, this is at least the third time something like this has happened (he both purchased pierre11 when he knew the ownership of the account was under dispute and unresolved, and he sold the account back to Candystripes). So I guess the later can be left up to the community.
Once again, Zeki and I have agreed on what is fair (read his post) and this is what will happen.
I actually purchase Pierre11 when it was under the full control fo CandyStripes (the account had defaulted so it was CandyStripe's account).
From the looks of it you also orchastrated an explanation to say that the account was being controlled by the "real" owner.
The OP says the current agreement is "33%" fair to him and "100%" fair to you.
It could be that Yussuf89 is not hacked however the abcense of getting a signed message implies that you are going to accept hacked accounts as collateral. Zeki has proven that he at one point ownes the account and theymos/BadBear have concluded that the account was in fact hacked, likely because the IP address of the person who posted their loan request has similar IP address range as other accounts that were hacked in the past.
The absence of me getting a signed message means I put too much trust in others' ability to safeguard their account.
It could be that Yussuf89 is not hacked however the abcense of getting a signed message implies that you are going to accept hacked accounts as collateral. Zeki has proven that he at one point ownes the account and theymos/BadBear have concluded that the account was in fact hacked, likely because the IP address of the person who posted their loan request has similar IP address range as other accounts that were hacked in the past.
The absence of me getting a signed message means I put too much trust in others' ability to safeguard their account.
I've removed my negative feedback for yussuf since they've come to an agreement so they can resolve it, and replaced it with appropriate feedback for marcotheminer.
im not sure the former is the right thing to do. Yes they do appear to have reached an agreement and yes it is a free market however the agreement is clearly not something that treats all parties appropriatly based on how much they are at fault. I do think all parties would likely fare best if the account is sold and I don't think Marco should have a total loss......how much of a loss there should be is something I am not sure. As far as the later, this is at least the third time something like this has happened (he both purchased pierre11 when he knew the ownership of the account was under dispute and unresolved, and he sold the account back to Candystripes). So I guess the later can be left up to the community.
Once again, Zeki and I have agreed on what is fair (read his post) and this is what will happen.
I actually purchase Pierre11 when it was under the full control fo CandyStripes (the account had defaulted so it was CandyStripe's account).
It could be that Yussuf89 is not hacked however the abcense of getting a signed message implies that you are going to accept hacked accounts as collateral. Zeki has proven that he at one point ownes the account and theymos/BadBear have concluded that the account was in fact hacked, likely because the IP address of the person who posted their loan request has similar IP address range as other accounts that were hacked in the past.
I've removed my negative feedback for yussuf since they've come to an agreement so they can resolve it, and replaced it with appropriate feedback for marcotheminer.
How do I 'traffic in stolen accounts'?
No, it could also mean that the account wasn't stolen/hacked in the first place.
You're actually negatively affecting Zeki now aswell with the talks of 'fairness' and the like. Nonetheless, I'm happy to wait in order to resolve this issue.
I've removed my negative feedback for yussuf since they've come to an agreement so they can resolve it, and replaced it with appropriate feedback for marcotheminer.
How do I 'traffic in stolen accounts'?
I've removed my negative feedback for yussuf since they've come to an agreement so they can resolve it, and replaced it with appropriate feedback for marcotheminer.
im not sure the former is the right thing to do. Yes they do appear to have reached an agreement and yes it is a free market however the agreement is clearly not something that treats all parties appropriatly based on how much they are at fault. I do think all parties would likely fare best if the account is sold and I don't think Marco should have a total loss......how much of a loss there should be is something I am not sure. As far as the later, this is at least the third time something like this has happened (he both purchased pierre11 when he knew the ownership of the account was under dispute and unresolved, and he sold the account back to Candystripes). So I guess the later can be left up to the community.
I've removed my negative feedback for yussuf since they've come to an agreement so they can resolve it, and replaced it with appropriate feedback for marcotheminer.
How do I 'traffic in stolen accounts'?
I've removed my negative feedback for yussuf since they've come to an agreement so they can resolve it, and replaced it with appropriate feedback for marcotheminer.
There are 2 possible situations here (currently I am thinking this is the 1. situation):
1. Zeki is the original account owner. Zeki took out a loan (using a proxy) and shortly after claimed the account was hacked in the aim of getting the account back. By getting the account back Zeki would profit from the loan which he would not repay, claiming the 'hacker' took out the loan. Zeki will (might?) realise that his scheme failed and will have to repay the loan to get the account back.
2. Zeki is the original account owner. The account has indeed hacked and a loan was taken out. The loan won't be paid back. Zeki will have to pay the loan back on the hacker's behalf to get the account back.
In both situations I am left holding the account until the loan is paid back or collateral is sold.
1. Zeki is the original account owner. Zeki took out a loan (using a proxy) and shortly after claimed the account was hacked in the aim of getting the account back. By getting the account back Zeki would profit from the loan which he would not repay, claiming the 'hacker' took out the loan. Zeki will (might?) realise that his scheme failed and will have to repay the loan to get the account back.
2. Zeki is the original account owner. The account has indeed hacked and a loan was taken out. The loan won't be paid back. Zeki will have to pay the loan back on the hacker's behalf to get the account back.
In both situations I am left holding the account until the loan is paid back or collateral is sold.
There's another possible scenario, you are the one who stole the account or you're in league with him/them. The saying "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me" comes to mind.
I don't see it as likely, but the more this pattern continues with you one has to wonder.
Could be possible of course, but let's not go down the conspiracy avenue. The other 'case' was completely drooped by the 'victim' who claimethe account was hacked (he did not contact me with evidence to prove the account was his).
There are 2 possible situations here (currently I am thinking this is the 1. situation):
1. Zeki is the original account owner. Zeki took out a loan (using a proxy) and shortly after claimed the account was hacked in the aim of getting the account back. By getting the account back Zeki would profit from the loan which he would not repay, claiming the 'hacker' took out the loan. Zeki will (might?) realise that his scheme failed and will have to repay the loan to get the account back.
2. Zeki is the original account owner. The account has indeed hacked and a loan was taken out. The loan won't be paid back. Zeki will have to pay the loan back on the hacker's behalf to get the account back.
In both situations I am left holding the account until the loan is paid back or collateral is sold.
1. Zeki is the original account owner. Zeki took out a loan (using a proxy) and shortly after claimed the account was hacked in the aim of getting the account back. By getting the account back Zeki would profit from the loan which he would not repay, claiming the 'hacker' took out the loan. Zeki will (might?) realise that his scheme failed and will have to repay the loan to get the account back.
2. Zeki is the original account owner. The account has indeed hacked and a loan was taken out. The loan won't be paid back. Zeki will have to pay the loan back on the hacker's behalf to get the account back.
In both situations I am left holding the account until the loan is paid back or collateral is sold.
There's another possible scenario, you are the one who stole the account or you're in league with him/them. The saying "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me" comes to mind.
I don't see it as likely, but the more this pattern continues with you one has to wonder.
Before the hacker attack, my hero account worth about 1 BTC. And now, I will receive about 0.30 BTC.
This is not 100% fair, but I think this is the most fair method. I think this method is 100% fair for marco, but its 33%~ fair for me. Marco wants his money, so he send 0.32BTC, and he will receive 0.32BTC from this method.
Second method is if marco give my account and receive nothing from hacker or from me. This is OK for me but he will lose money. Second method is 100% fair for me but, its 0% fair for marco. Hackers goal was finding my account.
I will not send money to marco for hackers loan.
You need to understand that that hacker's goal was not to find your account, it was to find marco's money. You also need to understand that if you do nothing, then the account would be worth close to zero, you will not get your account back, but marco will also get nothing out of the loan, and will have one more black mark on his trading record here. This is not 100% fair, but I think this is the most fair method. I think this method is 100% fair for marco, but its 33%~ fair for me. Marco wants his money, so he send 0.32BTC, and he will receive 0.32BTC from this method.
Second method is if marco give my account and receive nothing from hacker or from me. This is OK for me but he will lose money. Second method is 100% fair for me but, its 0% fair for marco. Hackers goal was finding my account.
I will not send money to marco for hackers loan.
If you previously had something that was worth 1 BTC but now are only getting .3 BTC out of it because of, due to a large part a mistake was made on marco's part then that is not a fair trade. You both should have to lose some value because of what happened. Any deal that one party looses nothing despite them making some mistake is not equitable and should not be entered into.
Before the hacker attack, my hero account worth about 1 BTC. And now, I will receive about 0.30 BTC.
This is not 100% fair, but I think this is the most fair method. I think this method is 100% fair for marco, but its 33%~ fair for me. Marco wants his money, so he send 0.32BTC, and he will receive 0.32BTC from this method.
Second method is if marco give my account and receive nothing from hacker or from me. This is OK for me but he will lose money. Second method is 100% fair for me but, its 0% fair for marco. Hackers goal was finding my account.
I will not send money to marco for hackers loan.
This is not 100% fair, but I think this is the most fair method. I think this method is 100% fair for marco, but its 33%~ fair for me. Marco wants his money, so he send 0.32BTC, and he will receive 0.32BTC from this method.
Second method is if marco give my account and receive nothing from hacker or from me. This is OK for me but he will lose money. Second method is 100% fair for me but, its 0% fair for marco. Hackers goal was finding my account.
I will not send money to marco for hackers loan.
I won't remove my negative feedback until I see old yussuf89's style messages in Turkish board. If account is really hacked, yussuf89 should get back his account without paying anything. Who controls the account other than Yusuf deserve that negative feedback. I hope nobody buy it.
I agree with the negative trust, but to say that yussuf89 shouldnt pay anything is kind of unfair to the others involved. Dont you think it would be more fair for everyone to take 50-50 damage?
This is exactly why its bad for account trading to be allowed in the first place, too many people give it as collateral and in the end u dont know with who you are dealing with in the end, the person you made deals with allready or some stranger that now bought it/got it..
cheers
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