Topic: Stolen account yussuf89 - page 5. (Read 8939 times)
I think that marcotheminer should return the account now since it was probably hacked, but everyone should give yussuf89 negative feedback for being unable to stand behind his account's actions unless he pays 50-75% of the loan principle. (This is just my opinion -- I'm not going to try to enforce it.)
I haven't got the time currently to go through the posts here as I am on mobile but I will as soon as I am on my computer.
I do know for a fact that yussuf89's (Zeki) other account is https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lorylore-239151. Not sure if that can be of any help.
That is kind of a dick move. I don't think you would like it if someone else were to reveal your other alts that you have, so unless you have more then just speculation that he was trying to scam then you shouldn't go going around posting that information I do know for a fact that yussuf89's (Zeki) other account is https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lorylore-239151. Not sure if that can be of any help.
Since the account is fully under my control, please remove the negative feedback you may have left whilst the situation is dealt with.
I can understand that you are argueing this as it greatly strengthens your position despite the fact that you made a similar mistake in the past[1] and should have known better.
There are 2 possible situations here (currently I am thinking this is the 1. situation):
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In both situations I am left holding the account until the loan is paid back or collateral is sold.
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In both situations I am left holding the account until the loan is paid back or collateral is sold.
You both made mistakes, but you are in loaning business. It is your job to take care of these things, to ask for signatures or otherwise verify that you are talking to the person you think you do. I doubt you will be unable to sell the account for the amount you loaned. Its hacked and the only person that can reasonably ask for the negative ratings to be removed is the original owner. As was allready established thats the person currently posting via Zeki.
The way this currently looks to me is that none of you has an advantage and you two should agree on a middle ground. Hence I repeat settle for half the loan I am sure Zeki can accept that as payment for a lesson in account security.
[1] was allready posted, just for easier reference again https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9283585
There are 2 possible situations here (currently I am thinking this is the 1. situation):
1. Zeki is the original account owner. Zeki took out a loan (using a proxy) and shortly after claimed the account was hacked in the aim of getting the account back. By getting the account back Zeki would profit from the loan which he would not repay, claiming the 'hacker' took out the loan. Zeki will (might?) realise that his scheme failed and will have to repay the loan to get the account back.
2. Zeki is the original account owner. The account has indeed hacked and a loan was taken out. The loan won't be paid back. Zeki will have to pay the loan back on the hacker's behalf to get the account back.
In both situations I am left holding the account until the loan is paid back or collateral is sold.
1. Zeki is the original account owner. Zeki took out a loan (using a proxy) and shortly after claimed the account was hacked in the aim of getting the account back. By getting the account back Zeki would profit from the loan which he would not repay, claiming the 'hacker' took out the loan. Zeki will (might?) realise that his scheme failed and will have to repay the loan to get the account back.
2. Zeki is the original account owner. The account has indeed hacked and a loan was taken out. The loan won't be paid back. Zeki will have to pay the loan back on the hacker's behalf to get the account back.
In both situations I am left holding the account until the loan is paid back or collateral is sold.
this situation is getting messy, in other words both party will try to defend themselves and not gonna surrender , so either way i suggest that both of you find the solution to this , but still there isnt a solid fact that the account was really hacked
There are 2 possible situations here (currently I am thinking this is the 1. situation):
1. Zeki is the original account owner. Zeki took out a loan (using a proxy) and shortly after claimed the account was hacked in the aim of getting the account back. By getting the account back Zeki would profit from the loan which he would not repay, claiming the 'hacker' took out the loan. Zeki will (might?) realise that his scheme failed and will have to repay the loan to get the account back.
2. Zeki is the original account owner. The account has indeed hacked and a loan was taken out. The loan won't be paid back. Zeki will have to pay the loan back on the hacker's behalf to get the account back.
In both situations I am left holding the account until the loan is paid back or collateral is sold.
1. Zeki is the original account owner. Zeki took out a loan (using a proxy) and shortly after claimed the account was hacked in the aim of getting the account back. By getting the account back Zeki would profit from the loan which he would not repay, claiming the 'hacker' took out the loan. Zeki will (might?) realise that his scheme failed and will have to repay the loan to get the account back.
2. Zeki is the original account owner. The account has indeed hacked and a loan was taken out. The loan won't be paid back. Zeki will have to pay the loan back on the hacker's behalf to get the account back.
In both situations I am left holding the account until the loan is paid back or collateral is sold.
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Both are screwed assuming this is a hacked account. Zeki will most likely have to pay to get it back. Marco could have avoided this by verifying ownership, one reason I doubt the neg feedback will be removed... Now he is out of BTC because that account is no good and won't sell because of the neg rep.
Like I said(theymos replied to an example related to this about splitting), he should atleast pay half of the amount even if it is very hard to prevent hacking, he should be careful clicking the link. It is still suspicious for me, OP may have a VPN with dedicated IP which would have used when doing account sales and these things.
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Yeah but what if it turns out to not be a hacked account? Nobody knows for sure. Looks like both are gonna lose unless someone finds something solid to suggest it was hacked or not hacked.
Sorry, it isn't 'by marcotheminer', it is 'to marcotheminer'. Corrected my post.
See above. I am in doubt too
-MZ
So at the end the solutions are two , zeki should repay the loan or marcotheminer "could" give back the account to zeki but he will lose the loan (0.32 btc if I'm not wrong). This is a very bad situation.
Atleast half of the amount should be paid by marcotheminer.
-MZ
Yeah but what if it turns out to not be a hacked account? Nobody knows for sure. Looks like both are gonna lose unless someone finds something solid to suggest it was hacked or not hacked.
I think I proved that the actual owner of the account is me.
Theymos thinks that the account was hacked. But nobody can prove it.
I want to get my account. Please help.
Theymos thinks that the account was hacked. But nobody can prove it.
I want to get my account. Please help.
Marcotheminer says he have the full control of it it now , nah ?
then all you need to do is repaying the loan to get the account back (unless it wasen't you who took the loan and it was the hacker then it's more complicated)
~ madness
I think he made it pretty clear someone hacked his account and took out the loan. Is that the whole point of this thread?
So at the end the solutions are two , zeki should repay the loan or marcotheminer "could" give back the account to zeki but he will lose the loan (0.32 btc if I'm not wrong). This is a very bad situation.
Both are screwed assuming this is a hacked account. Zeki will most likely have to pay to get it back. Marco could have avoided this by verifying ownership, one reason I doubt the neg feedback will be removed... Now he is out of BTC because that account is no good and won't sell because of the neg rep.
I think I proved that the actual owner of the account is me.
Theymos thinks that the account was hacked. But nobody can prove it.
I want to get my account. Please help.
Theymos thinks that the account was hacked. But nobody can prove it.
I want to get my account. Please help.
Marcotheminer says he have the full control of it it now , nah ?
then all you need to do is repaying the loan to get the account back (unless it wasen't you who took the loan and it was the hacker then it's more complicated)
~ madness
I think he made it pretty clear someone hacked his account and took out the loan. Is that the whole point of this thread?
I did not asked for loan from anyone since my account had registered. Someone hacked my account and he got the money.
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So at the end the solutions are two , zeki should repay the loan or marcotheminer "could" give back the account to zeki but he will lose the loan (0.32 btc if I'm not wrong). This is a very bad situation.
Atleast half of the amount should be paid to marcotheminer.
-MZ
I think I proved that the actual owner of the account is me.
Theymos thinks that the account was hacked. But nobody can prove it.
I want to get my account. Please help.
Theymos thinks that the account was hacked. But nobody can prove it.
I want to get my account. Please help.
Marcotheminer says he have the full control of it it now , nah ?
then all you need to do is repaying the loan to get the account back (unless it wasen't you who took the loan and it was the hacker then it's more complicated)
~ madness
I think he made it pretty clear someone hacked his account and took out the loan. Is that the whole point of this thread?
So at the end the solutions are two , zeki should repay the loan or marcotheminer "could" give back the account to zeki but he will lose the loan (0.32 btc if I'm not wrong). This is a very bad situation.
I think I proved that the actual owner of the account is me.
Theymos thinks that the account was hacked. But nobody can prove it.
I want to get my account. Please help.
Theymos thinks that the account was hacked. But nobody can prove it.
I want to get my account. Please help.
Marcotheminer says he have the full control of it it now , nah ?
then all you need to do is repaying the loan to get the account back (unless it wasen't you who took the loan and it was the hacker then it's more complicated)
~ madness
I think he made it pretty clear someone hacked his account and took out the loan. Is that the whole point of this thread?
I think I proved that the actual owner of the account is me.
Theymos thinks that the account was hacked. But nobody can prove it.
I want to get my account. Please help.
Theymos thinks that the account was hacked. But nobody can prove it.
I want to get my account. Please help.
Marcotheminer says he have the full control of it it now , nah ?
then all you need to do is repaying the loan to get the account back (unless it wasen't you who took the loan and it was the hacker then it's more complicated)
~ madness
I think I proved that the actual owner of the account is me.
Theymos thinks that the account was hacked. But nobody can prove it.
I want to get my account. Please help.
Theymos thinks that the account was hacked. But nobody can prove it.
I want to get my account. Please help.
Since the account is fully under my control, please remove the negative feedback you may have left whilst the situation is dealt with.
It's a hacked account. Does it matter who's control its under, unless the rightful owner? This is the risk of accepting accounts without verifying ownership I guess.
Since the account is fully under my control, please remove the negative feedback you may have left whilst the situation is dealt with.
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Better you prevent not get hacked rather than recover it.
How to prevent it ?
Don't click any suspicious link on any website,
Don't trust anyone
I think this is a risk of loaning bussiness.
Feel sorry for your loss Marco
The Scammer method is getting scary and modified...so everyone should be carefull
How to prevent it ?
Don't click any suspicious link on any website,
Don't trust anyone
I think this is a risk of loaning bussiness.
Feel sorry for your loss Marco
The Scammer method is getting scary and modified...so everyone should be carefull
It's not so easy as you think. You could get a malware(incl. keylogger) without even knowing. Even U.S. National Security Agency is putting spying program(s) : https://mobile.twitter.com/KZM279/status/568489124136689664.
Indeed, it is! First step is to ask signed message from an address he/she posted ans isn't an eited post.
-MZ
I haven't got the time currently to go through the posts here as I am on mobile but I will as soon as I am on my computer.
I do know for a fact that yussuf89's (Zeki) other account is https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lorylore-239151. Not sure if that can be of any help.
I do know for a fact that yussuf89's (Zeki) other account is https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lorylore-239151. Not sure if that can be of any help.
My account yussuf89 has stolen from someone
How can i get my account??
How can i get my account??
Better you prevent not get hacked rather than recover it.
How to prevent it ?
Don't click any suspicious link on any website,
Don't trust anyone
I think this is a risk of loaning bussiness.
Feel sorry for your loss Marco
The Scammer method is getting scary and modified...so everyone should be carefull
Let's say I buy a fancy watch from a guy on the street, hot but I didn't know it. The long arm of the law somehow leads to me and the watch. It would be taken from me and I wouldn't get my money back. I have no recourse to go after the guy who sold it to me. He was a complete stranger.
That also doesn't strike me as entirely fair. If nothing can be gotten from the person who actually did the stealing, then the person who lost the stolen item and the person who bought it should somehow split the cost IMO.
I am not sure what a fair price would be though, the market is not good and both parties are at least partially at fault (assuming it is in fact hacked), I would say that the .32 BTC that he essentially bought it for is a lot less then what it would sell for.
Another option would be (if both parties agree) to auction off the account and each party would receive a portion of the proceeds depending on the sales price. This would result in likely both parties taking some kind of loss and letting the free market determine just how much each party gets. It is also likely very similar to what marcotheminer would have done if the loan was not repaid
In regards to your last suggestion, you have to remember that most people have some sort of attachment to their own account and don't just view them as commodities. I doubt yussuf would agree to this, although he could in theory bid on his own account and pay half of the bidding price.
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