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July 24, 2023, 03:47:38 PM
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That will make dire wolf doubt more as that matches was created in Feb and left in feb remove that part 😂😂😂😂

Lucky for me time always goes forwards and not backwards.  Wink
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July 24, 2023, 03:43:35 PM
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- I am from Sweden and living in Thailand. I never been in Azerbaijan. And I will for sure get a VISA in the US, been there many many times. So lets go, lets meet. and we speak face to face and we see who is what?

Okay, I like Thailand, I'll be in Chiang Mai next year around this time, or, if you're in NorCal before then send me a PM, I'll buy you a beer.

May I ask why did you not just ask me if you wonder something? Why did you come into my thread and being rude?

Okay, I'll ask now:  Are you the same guy who defaulted on $400 worth of loans that I gave you, and pretended to be moonbux on Telegram?   Roll Eyes

For fuck's sake!

I live in Chiang Rai it's close. PM me when you are there and let's meet and talk over a lunch. I don't drink alcohol but I for sure eat food.  Smiley

Mate. I swear. This is my only account here and I have never ever been here before (since Feb this year), I really don't understand why you think this?
This is my only TG: https://t.me/CyberCowb0y

Also this Ps34 have added me there multiple times and told me to give him money and asked me why I hate him, he also have send me a lot of PM's I showed two of them in the OP here.
If you for real think him is me, and me is him, okay sure, let so be since you been here longer them me, you have more experience them me so I guess I can  accept that for now, but time will show the truth and I expect an apologize the day it comes out that we aren't. If its one way to proof it 100% now just tell me what I can do.

I told you the first time, I am not what you looking for, and I promise you that time will show that. If you just had ask me polite that first time, this would never have happened.
Maybe we don't get a long, and that's fine, it's a lot of people I don't get along with, but I am not a scammer or cheater in anyway and also I am not a bad person. Opposite, I am against all that.
But one thing you should know, even if we don't get along, if somebody would example scam you or doing anything, I would still back you up and help you if I could, that's how I am.
And you have right, sometimes also me can lose my mind and say things I shouldn't, but I work on my self everyday.

And what I been saying hundred of times, time always show the truth, and will so do in this case also.
That will make dire wolf doubt more as that matches was created in Feb and left in feb remove that part 😂😂😂😂
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July 24, 2023, 03:19:15 PM
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- I am from Sweden and living in Thailand. I never been in Azerbaijan. And I will for sure get a VISA in the US, been there many many times. So lets go, lets meet. and we speak face to face and we see who is what?

Okay, I like Thailand, I'll be in Chiang Mai next year around this time, or, if you're in NorCal before then send me a PM, I'll buy you a beer.

May I ask why did you not just ask me if you wonder something? Why did you come into my thread and being rude?

Okay, I'll ask now:  Are you the same guy who defaulted on $400 worth of loans that I gave you, and pretended to be moonbux on Telegram?   Roll Eyes

For fuck's sake!

I live in Chiang Rai it's close. PM me when you are there and let's meet and talk over a lunch. I don't drink alcohol but I for sure eat food.  Smiley

Mate. I swear. This is my only account here and I have never ever been here before (since Feb this year), I really don't understand why you think this?
This is my only TG: https://t.me/CyberCowb0y

Also this Ps34 have added me there multiple times and told me to give him money and asked me why I hate him, he also have send me a lot of PM's I showed two of them in the OP here.
If you for real think him is me, and me is him, okay sure, let so be since you been here longer them me, you have more experience them me so I guess I can  accept that for now, but time will show the truth and I expect an apologize the day it comes out that we aren't. If its one way to proof it 100% now just tell me what I can do.

I told you the first time, I am not what you looking for, and I promise you that time will show that. If you just had ask me polite that first time, this would never have happened.  Cry
Maybe we don't get a long, and that's fine, it's a lot of people I don't get along with, but I am not a scammer or cheater in anyway and also I am not a bad person. Opposite, I am against all that.
But one thing you should know, even if we don't get along, if somebody would example scam you or doing anything, I would still back you up and help you if I could, that's how I am.
And you have right, sometimes also me can lose my mind and say things I shouldn't, but I work on my self everyday.

With that said, I am far from perfect and I have done some very bad things in life. I have done some years in prison for that, but scam people on the internet for some hundred bucks is not one of them, these days I just want peace and happiness in life, I want to stay far away from drama, I am to told for that shit now.

And what I been saying hundred of times, time always show the truth, and will so do in this case also.


Why are you still up at 3am?
I was looking at Swedish Football it started 00:00 (thai time) and finished 02:00 am. (thai time). Still can't sleep.. many things in my mind at the moment, but luckily I got my cat to hang with.  Smiley
But better now then the winter, then it's 6 hours difference (from Swedish time) now it's "only" 5 hours. I am a big Swedish Sportsnerd.ä

EDIT; I did remove you from my distrust list now, since you stopped to abuse the trust system, since I don't have any pride in what im doing for the most of the time at internet.
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July 24, 2023, 03:07:24 PM
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- I am from Sweden and living in Thailand. I never been in Azerbaijan. And I will for sure get a VISA in the US, been there many many times. So lets go, lets meet. and we speak face to face and we see who is what?

I like Thailand.  I'll be in Chiang Mai next year around this time, or if you're in NorCal before then send me a PM, I'll buy you a beer.

BTW, why are you still up at 3am?

May I ask why did you not just ask me if you wonder something? Why did you come into my thread and being rude?

Okay, I'll ask now:  Are you the same guy who defaulted on $400 worth of loans that I gave you, and pretended to be moonbux on Telegram?   Roll Eyes

For fuck's sake!
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July 24, 2023, 03:01:02 PM
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" Unfortunately I do not have any concrete evidence but I have a strong suspicion that this user is an alt of elmanchez (u=2553198) and ps34 (u=2751022). If dealing with this user, I suggest you trust him no more than you would the other two. If in doubt, use escrow. DireWolfM14 "

It's true I do believe you are elmanchez, and I believe that ps34 is his and your alt account.  I have my reasons, like the many coincidences with the timing of you starting your service and ps34 ranting about newbies being treated poorly in the lending subsection.  When you first started your service you made no mention of not lending to newbies.  You were asking for a high rate of return, and offering scraps as if to prove to those in doubt that newbies could be trusted.  You've learned your lesson the hard way, and only when I made mention of it did you revise your thread to mention the restriction against lending to newbies.

Not to mention, you pretending to be such a pleasant and polite person is an obvious farce.  Your interactions with me, Timelord2067, HedgeFx, and the creation of this thread has exposed the petulance for which you (elmanchez) have become infamous.

Maybe I'm wrong, I've been wrong before and in the past I've adjusted my stance when convinced.  There's still hope for you, but I'll be honest, it's not much.

I don't like speculative feedback, and for the most part I avoid leaving them, but since I'm convinced you are elmanchez, an especially conniving and manipulative individual, I felt it was worth warning the community who they are dealing with.  But, my dislike of speculative feedback gave way to me revising the feedback to something more concrete and pertinent.


Lol, you are a ridiculous fool if you think I'm afraid of you as "competition."  I only recently resurrected my lending thread after a three year hiatus because I finally have time for it again.  I'm not hurting to put food on the table, and obviously I'm not looking to generate an income through my service.  But I don't expect you to see that through your delusion that I'm "stalking" you.

But I can do you a favor, if you dislike me so much, let's meet and speak face to face, I show who I am and you can show the forum that you actually can back up your worlds. Deal?
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Why can't just all you just leave me the fuck alone and I happy leave your meaningless life's alone to.

Make up your mind.  Do you want me to leave you alone or do you want to go out on a date?  What about all that talk of 17 years of martial arts training, was that supposed to be some kind of threat?  Regardless of any of that, I have no interest in meeting you face to face.  Azerbaijan is nowhere I want to visit, and somehow I doubt your ability to get a visitors visa for the US.

This topic is created because he called me an alt of PS34 and another account

Elmanchez.  Wink
Funny you don't want to type that name yourself.  You even claimed you forgot it, though it was present in the same post in which you quoted my original review.  I think you and I both know why.

BTW, you forgot to lock this thread after your umpteenth edit of the first and last posts.  Roll Eyes


Your reasons is the weakest I ever heard.

- I am from Sweden and living in Thailand. I never been in Azerbaijan. And I will for sure get a VISA in the US, been there many many times. So lets go, lets meet. and we speak face to face and we see who is what?
That would solve this problem. But I understand you don't have any interest in meeting me face to face, internet is the place for you.

- Yes I admit that my loan service was terrible at the start and I did a lot of rookie mistakes, but I have learned with time and I think it's okay now.
But if it was so bad, why just don't PM me and explain and giving me some tips? Why did you feel that you need to accuse me the first thing you did?

- I don't care if you giving me hope or not but good that you said that, let's come back here in a couple of months or a year, and you gonna apologize to me.

- No I don't threat people on the internet, i am not an internet troll. I just gave you a tip, try it yourself and you will see how much better you will feel. I promise you.

- I never EVER started an argument with anyone, I have replied when people being rude to me, where I come from you get laughed at for arguing behind a monitor.
I am kind and nice, but I am NOT weak. Maybe you misunderstand this things, if you are good to be I am better back, but if you try to walk over me I will run over you.

- Of course I don't think you acted this way because of you think I was some kind of competition against you, I never said that. I said because you dislike me.

- May I ask why did you not just ask me if you wonder something? Why did you come into my thread and being rude?
You really think that's how you should behave? I have never ever being rude to you, I only replied when you was an asshole in my thread, all others times you was ignored tho you really tried to get my response.
But when you gave me feedback without any REF link that also is super delusional I created this thread.

- You have the right to think whatever you want about me, for me it's not important if you think I am good or bad, but please don't make up stuff about me, as I would never do that to another person.

And I did open this thread again with purpose, because I wanted an answer who Switzerland was and why he think it was a good idea that you gave me feedback without REF link.
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July 24, 2023, 02:43:46 PM
#21
" Unfortunately I do not have any concrete evidence but I have a strong suspicion that this user is an alt of elmanchez (u=2553198) and ps34 (u=2751022). If dealing with this user, I suggest you trust him no more than you would the other two. If in doubt, use escrow. DireWolfM14 "

It's true I do believe you are elmanchez, and I believe that ps34 is his and your alt account.  I have my reasons, like the many coincidences with the timing of you starting your service and ps34 ranting about newbies being treated poorly in the lending subsection.  When you first started your service you made no mention of not lending to newbies.  You were asking for a high rate of return, and offering scraps as if to prove to those in doubt that newbies could be trusted.  You've learned your lesson the hard way, and only when I made mention of it did you revise your thread to mention the restriction against lending to newbies.

Not to mention, you pretending to be such a pleasant and polite person is an obvious farce.  Your interactions with me, Timelord2067, HedgeFx, and the creation of this thread has exposed the petulance for which you (elmanchez) have become infamous.

Maybe I'm wrong, I've been wrong before and in the past I've adjusted my stance when convinced.  There's still hope for you, but I'll be honest, it's not much.

I don't like speculative feedback, and for the most part I avoid leaving them, but since I'm convinced you are elmanchez, an especially conniving and manipulative individual, I felt it was worth warning the community who they are dealing with.  But, my dislike of speculative feedback won out, and so it gave way to me revising the feedback to something more concrete and pertinent.


Lol, you are a ridiculous fool if you think I'm afraid of you as "competition."  I only recently resurrected my lending thread after a three year hiatus because I finally have time for it again.  I'm not hurting to put food on the table, and obviously I'm not looking to generate an income through my service.  But I don't expect you to see that through your delusion that I'm "stalking" you.

But I can do you a favor, if you dislike me so much, let's meet and speak face to face, I show who I am and you can show the forum that you actually can back up your worlds. Deal?
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Why can't just all you just leave me the fuck alone and I happy leave your meaningless life's alone to.

Make up your mind.  Do you want me to leave you alone or do you want to go out on a date?  What about all that talk of 17 years of martial arts training, was that supposed to be some kind of threat?  Regardless of any of that, I have no interest in meeting you face to face.  Azerbaijan is nowhere I want to visit, and somehow I doubt your ability to get a visitor's visa for the US.

This topic is created because he called me an alt of PS34 and another account

Elmanchez.  Wink
Funny you don't want to type that name yourself.  You even claimed you forgot it, though it was present in the same post in which you quoted my original review.  I think you and I both know why you're avoiding mentioning that name.

BTW, you forgot to lock this thread after your umpteenth edit of the first and last posts.  Roll Eyes
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July 22, 2023, 04:44:16 AM
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" Unfortunately I do not have any concrete evidence but I have a strong suspicion that this user is an alt of elmanchez (u=2553198) and ps34 (u=2751022). If dealing with this user, I suggest you trust him no more than you would the other two. If in doubt, use escrow. DireWolfM14 "
THIS IS THE REASON FOR THIS TOPIC.


It's sad that people handle out feedback like that ~
What is truly sad is that both of you little bitches are complaining about the neutral feedback on your profiles, while at the same time, you are leaving retaliatory feedback and thus abusing the trust system yourselves.

Really? This for a neutral tag? You can get mad all you want, OP, but a neutral tag like that is not abusing the trust system. In general a neutral tag is not, unless it is clearly negative in spirit but neutral in color, something like "CYBER_COWBOY is a fucking scammer, don't deal with him." That could be a case of trust abuse if it is not supported by anything other than opinion.

This topic is created because he called me an alt of PS34 and another account, without ref link, any proof or anything. So Yes he did abuse the trust system, and its not the first time and def not the last either.
What I did was to ref to this topic and said he trust abused, witch he did. Then he deleted it and replace it with a new feedback, after that I deleted my feedback.
I am not a clown that feel that I need to post on another peoples walls that I don't have anything to do with, that's a behavior of a nerd in my opinion.

Next time you open your mouths, read the whole topic so you won't look like fools, or you think it's totally normal and OK to accuse accounts to belong to each other when they don't with zero proof?
Shouldn't the accuser create some kind of topic with proofs and then use that as a REF link?


It's sad that people handle out feedback like that, I think it's only hurting the forums reputation and make it harder for it to grow in general.
It's been that way for years in case you haven't noticed.  It's just that you're now on the receiving end of some feedback you don't agree with.  And I'm not clear on this: were you asking for all of those documents in your lending thread (the income statement, etc.)?  I looked at your terms and didn't see anything like that and don't know if you'd made changes or not.  Hopefully you weren't, because despite you stating adamantly that your intention wouldn't be to use that information to scam anyone, no one can read your mind.  A scammer and an honest lender would both say the same thing, so who's to say?

Of course I did not, and I would never ask anyone for any documents. NEVER. (Why he don't just ask the people who applied?!)
First am I an alt of Ps34 and after that I stealing KYC. 🤡
The only thing I do is to offer non-collateral loans, and so far everyone that tried it are happy.


Congratulations @dire your first thread full of angst and navel gazing.

Your reply are really worried, you think this is completely normal. by the way the feedback you left me is wrong.
I did not created this topic for the reason your saying, its because I was accused of being and alt of PS34.
You really doing all you can to be as far away from that DT list you can. I mean 70+ people distrust you.
Feedback from you means nothing absolutely nothing for anyone.

A question, why do you feel that you must lie so much on daily basis? Are you ok?
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July 22, 2023, 02:38:09 AM
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Really? This for a neutral tag? You can get mad all you want, OP, but a neutral tag like that is not abusing the trust system. In general a neutral tag is not, unless it is clearly negative in spirit but neutral in color, something like "CYBER_COWBOY is a fucking scammer, don't deal with him." That could be a case of trust abuse if it is not supported by anything other than opinion.
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July 22, 2023, 02:07:51 AM
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Thanks for asking about my health but i'm not sure you're genuine so I will decline to answer you. Have a good day buddy.

I may have been accused of not having all the information, but not one person has said I have acted with malice.




PM me when you are ready to talk.
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July 22, 2023, 02:01:09 AM
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I really don't like users using the trust system for this type of stuff. Speculation tags are just not cool IMO. I def don't think ps34 could write a topic like this 1 is written. Hopefully you guys can work out your differences and get the tag removed, but if not there is that ignore button.

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Fishy001    2022-11-13        IMO a hypocritical spammer who makes topics for attention and insults any user who calls him out on it.

Royse777    2022-07-18    Reference    Co partner of Bitlucy casino that ended up scamming participants. User is also very hotheaded and childish


Nexchange.co.uk    2017-09-18    Reference    User has provided me with a signed message(verified) as well as paid out 2 previously opened sig campaigns. Still has an open scam accusation against them that needs deal with.

If they pay out the final campaign they have open I will remove feedback completely. If any problems occur will adjust my rating




You have more than double the number of negative trust feedbacks placed against other users compared to the number I have (and a similar proportion of positives) - Perhaps instead of giving armchair opinions you go back and review your own trust feedbacks left for others?  (Including your negatives)

(Feel free to review mine to compare to your own)




I haven't seen your health issue thread for a while.  I hope you are still on the mend.
I may need to revise a tag or 2 but mostly factual information. Saying I think account A is account B and possibly account C is specualtive. None of that should be happening. The fishy tags while true are probably unnecessary despite my feelings. The royse tag was true by his own words iirc. Regardless I could probably remove that tag as well. Not sure whats up with the exchange as I forget what that was all about. 2017 was a long time ago. Looks like other users shared my feelings though and went as far a red tagging them.

What happened in the past and what should be happening now are 2 different things. People adapt and grow, apparently not all though. Thanks for asking about my health but i'm not sure you're genuine so I will decline to answer you. Have a good day buddy.
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July 22, 2023, 01:49:11 AM
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I really don't like users using the trust system for this type of stuff. Speculation tags are just not cool IMO. I def don't think ps34 could write a topic like this 1 is written. Hopefully you guys can work out your differences and get the tag removed, but if not there is that ignore button.

Glass Houses, @yahoo62278

Fishy001    2022-11-13        IMO a hypocritical spammer who makes topics for attention and insults any user who calls him out on it.

Royse777    2022-07-18    Reference    Co partner of Bitlucy casino that ended up scamming participants. User is also very hotheaded and childish


Nexchange.co.uk    2017-09-18    Reference    User has provided me with a signed message(verified) as well as paid out 2 previously opened sig campaigns. Still has an open scam accusation against them that needs deal with.

If they pay out the final campaign they have open I will remove feedback completely. If any problems occur will adjust my rating




You have more than double the number of negative trust feedbacks placed against other users compared to the number I have (and a similar proportion of positives) - Perhaps instead of giving armchair opinions you go back and review your own trust feedbacks left for others?  (Including your negatives)

(Feel free to review mine to compare to your own)




I haven't seen your health issue thread for a while.  I hope you are still on the mend.
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July 21, 2023, 11:48:00 PM
#15
Now, now.  I'm not familiar with CYBER_COWBOY, but DireWolfM14 is certainly not a bitch of any size.

Lol, I'm sure some would argue that I've had my moments. Grin

But I think Stalker22 was talking about PytagoraZ, since he started a similar thread about the neutral that he received a few weeks ago.
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July 21, 2023, 07:08:08 PM
#14
And I'm not clear on this: were you asking for all of those documents in your lending thread (the income statement, etc.)?  I looked at your terms and didn't see anything like that and don't know if you'd made changes or not.  Hopefully you weren't, because despite you stating adamantly that your intention wouldn't be to use that information to scam anyone, no one can read your mind.  A scammer and an honest lender would both say the same thing, so who's to say?

In his loan thread, it can be seen that he approved two loans.
First is to the dollarday reference: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62035357
User dollarday was banned soon.
Next is loan to Rohan Kotkar, reference: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62144300 and this loan is defaulted https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/63-loan-defaulted-by-rohan-kotkar-5455027

I would say a very strange criterion for approving loans. Maybe it's just a beginner's mistake.



Timelord2067, seriously? this is for feedback?

Timelord2067    2023-07-21    Reference    Launched a pottymouthed rant when @DireWolfM14 posted this:

"Do not send this user any ID documents, and if requesting a secured loan from any new member use a trusted escrow provider."
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July 21, 2023, 05:41:24 PM
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even Switzerland suggested I leave that tag.  Embarrassed
LOL.

It's sad that people handle out feedback like that, I think it's only hurting the forums reputation and make it harder for it to grow in general.
It's been that way for years in case you haven't noticed.  It's just that you're now on the receiving end of some feedback you don't agree with.  And I'm not clear on this: were you asking for all of those documents in your lending thread (the income statement, etc.)?  I looked at your terms and didn't see anything like that and don't know if you'd made changes or not.  Hopefully you weren't, because despite you stating adamantly that your intention wouldn't be to use that information to scam anyone, no one can read your mind.  A scammer and an honest lender would both say the same thing, so who's to say?

What is truly sad is that both of you little bitches are complaining about the neutral feedback on your profiles, while at the same time, you are leaving retaliatory feedback and thus abusing the trust system yourselves.
Now, now.  I'm not familiar with CYBER_COWBOY, but DireWolfM14 is certainly not a bitch of any size.
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July 21, 2023, 05:19:40 PM
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It's sad that people handle out feedback like that ~

What is truly sad is that both of you little bitches are complaining about the neutral feedback on your profiles, while at the same time, you are leaving retaliatory feedback and thus abusing the trust system yourselves.
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July 21, 2023, 04:58:59 PM
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Congratulations @dire your first thread full of angst and navel gazing.

If I could find the quote, I'd post that image "to not feed the Trolls"




In any event, speaking of using the Trust feedback wall as a post it note wall:

Here is a retaliatory comment made by the OP:

DireWolfM14    2023-07-21    Reference    Trust abuser, fake accusing people with zero proof. His feeling tell him what to do. This guy's judgment can not be trusted, and if you want peace, stay far away from this user. First hi accusing me for being an ALT of Ps34 and now this. I don't even offer secured loans.

Speaking of ps34 ... has anyone else noticed ps34 has stopped posting while ps1234 has "just woken up"?
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July 21, 2023, 12:14:28 PM
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Hi, buddy
I feel the same way about you. I get neutral tags referring to the posts themselves, not evidence. but on DT recommended me to forget about it, so I did. Maybe it's better to forget about it before DT gets angry and makes his tag turn red. DT can do it, with or without proof.

Honestly I'm Sympathetic because you get a tag without any proof of reference. But that is our fate as members of the lower class


It's sad that people handle out feedback like that, I think it's only hurting the forums reputation and make it harder for it to grow in general.
I am pretty sure he actually don't believe me and Ps34 are the same person and did this for others reason, because Wolf ain't stupid.
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July 21, 2023, 11:58:07 AM
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Hi, buddy
I feel the same way about you. I get neutral tags referring to the posts themselves, not evidence. but on DT recommended me to forget about it, so I did. Maybe it's better to forget about it before DT gets angry and makes his tag turn red. DT can do it, with or without proof.

Honestly I'm Sympathetic because you get a tag without any proof of reference. But that is our fate as members of the lower class


Congratulations, looks like you succeeded. because I don't see that neutral tag anymore

~cut~

Hi, buddy
Looks like we have an unfinished discussion. Maybe I could complain, because you also complain when you think I'm not responding to someone

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July 21, 2023, 11:43:37 AM
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I understand what you saying, but that I should be an alt of Ps34 and the other guy is ridiculous. Everyone with at least 1% of brain now this is not the case.  Grin


I would like to correct a little about the fact that you and other accounts may have different IPs. This does not mean anything; always remember TOR and the easy change of IP addresses.
But this remark does not mean that I am on someone's side. Usually, whoever leaves neutral tags with some kind of accusation should provide a reference link. In addition to everything, time will put everything in its place. Simple guesses don't say anything, why would you care about people with less than 1 percent brains? The rest must draw their own conclusions.

I guess you have right. I should just ignore it, but it irritates me that I get accused for being a guy that have speaking very bad to me, both in posting, pm & in telegram.
But I should not let it affect me like that, you have right. But I am sure Wolf don't think we are the same person, he just want a reason to try to start an argue with me. (He tried many times before but just got ignored, he prob hurt) but I don't argue on the internet, if I argue it will happen face2face.
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July 21, 2023, 11:09:27 AM
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I understand what you saying, but that I should be an alt of Ps34 and the other guy is ridiculous. Everyone with at least 1% of brain now this is not the case.  Grin


I would like to correct a little about the fact that you and other accounts may have different IPs. This does not mean anything; always remember TOR and the easy change of IP addresses.
But this remark does not mean that I am on someone's side. Usually, whoever leaves neutral tags with some kind of accusation should provide a reference link. In addition to everything, time will put everything in its place. Simple guesses don't say anything, why would you care about people with less than 1 percent brains? The rest must draw their own conclusions.
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