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Topic: Stop your BTC cheerleading and mass delusion and face the reality - page 2. (Read 10181 times)

legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
People, you need a reality check. Most of you here are holding to a few BTC expecting to become millionaires some day. You are in a collective mass delusion - about 95% of you here.

Satoshi Nakamoto stated himself that with BTC there will be no middle way - it will absord the whole world's economy which is estimated to be around $100 trillion including the black markets. If this does not happen BTC will be literally worthless - not even half a cent that it started at.

Bitcoin has been around since 2009 , so we are entering the 6th year of its existence. How many years would it take for bitcoin to absorb the total global economy? 50 years ? 100 years ? I doesn't matter because it was just another fad like myspace with a limited lifespan - that opened the social media to the mainstream and gave us twitter and facebook. Bitcoin's historical significance will be that it launched the concept of crypto currency to the mainstream. It will not be worth $10,000 or $100,000 dollars anytime soon (read: never).

So those of you who are still in delusional states holding the BTC you bought at $700 or $900 dollars, cut your loses and get away as fast as you can. November 2013 was the bubble which will never repeat again. All this talk about ETF is rubbish, because it is already calculated into the price.

The time is running out for BTC , and I am 90% certain it will be worthless before 2020. It has accomplished its task - crypto currency is mainstream.

Those smart enough know that the only real purpose of BTC right now is as a vehicle for transaction of fiat money, without being exposed to the scrutiny of the government checks and the global banking system, they understand that bitcoin is not a commodity, not a store of value, and it never was - to them it doesn't matter if the price of one BTC is $1 or $100,000. It doesn't change anything.

Some of you are so emotionally attached to your stack of bitcoins that you will react in a violent emotional outrage at my post. Those of you who are more stable are starting to realize what the score is, and no mate your 10 BTC or your 100 BTC stack will not make you a $ millionaire, might as well go to Vegas and try your hand at becoming a millionaire there. You have better chances.

Sam

Cryptocurrency is mainstream? LOL

By the way, Facebook was founded in 2004, it didn't even have positive cash flow until 2009 (5 years later!). As of January 2014 they still had ONLY 1.2 billion active users (10 years later!) with a world population of about 8 billion....

"Easy" tech takes about 6 years for adoption. Bitcoin as of right now is "difficult" tech in many regards. Either way we haven't even reached 6 years yet. bitcoin's future is bright.

This is what I find entertaining about people who post about what they know pretty much nothing about. They say the stupidest things lol.

Cryptocurrency isn't mainstream ....yet. lol

LOL @ OP for the good laugh.
legendary
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Oh my! My ignore list is probably bigger than the blockchain itself!!!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Anyone care to invest in it? (my ignore list that is!  Grin)
hero member
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Bitcoiners expect exponential rises to continue ad infinitum.
They don't care if at these prices it takes an amount of new fiat that is ridiculously higher than when it was at $1.
Don't bother considering problems with Proof-of-Work, the huge inflation and apparent inexistent current demand. Logic is for weak hands!
To 1 quadrillion we go.








hero member
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tl;dr version - "cut ur loose"
legendary
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Bubble ?



(where i can find this things ? Cheesy )
legendary
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You're never too old to think young.
November 2013 was the bubble which will never repeat again.

"The" bubble? Singular? LOL



So many bubbles.
legendary
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crypto currency is mainstream.

You are so wrong and needs a real reality check.


Oh no, another troll who whants to get in cheaper...
member
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Satoshi Nakamoto stated himself that with BTC there will be no middle way - it will absord the whole world's economy which is estimated to be around $100 trillion including the black markets. If this does not happen BTC will be literally worthless - not even half a cent that it started at.


Yes, it's a 50%-50%, its a revolution or it becomes deprecated.

Do you really want to miss on such potential boat? Everyone not owning at least a couple Bitcoin is mentally insane, period.

Introductory statistics:  When dealing with problems having binary outcomes, like "you either become a gazillionaire or you don't" the odds aren't always 50/50.
Introductory linguistics & psychology:  "mentally insane" is redundant.  Only crazy people talk like that.
hero member
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Satoshi Nakamoto stated himself that with BTC there will be no middle way - it will absord the whole world's economy which is estimated to be around $100 trillion including the black markets. If this does not happen BTC will be literally worthless - not even half a cent that it started at.


Yes, it's a 50%-50%, its a revolution or it becomes deprecated.

Do you really want to miss on such potential boat? Everyone not owning at least a couple Bitcoin is mentally insane, period.
legendary
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full member
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^ This would never happen since there are already 100s of thousands of people who said they will never sell... They will keep trying to buy the entire way down so logically we really can't break this triple digit level EVER  Kiss
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
People, you need a reality check. Most of you here are holding to a few BTC expecting to become millionaires some day. You are in a collective mass delusion - about 95% of you here.

Satoshi Nakamoto stated himself that with BTC there will be no middle way - it will absord the whole world's economy which is estimated to be around $100 trillion including the black markets. If this does not happen BTC will be literally worthless - not even half a cent that it started at.

Bitcoin has been around since 2009 , so we are entering the 6th year of its existence. How many years would it take for bitcoin to absorb the total global economy? 50 years ? 100 years ? I doesn't matter because it was just another fad like myspace with a limited lifespan - that opened the social media to the mainstream and gave us twitter and facebook. Bitcoin's historical significance will be that it launched the concept of crypto currency to the mainstream. It will not be worth $10,000 or $100,000 dollars anytime soon (read: never).

So those of you who are still in delusional states holding the BTC you bought at $700 or $900 dollars, cut your loses and get away as fast as you can. November 2013 was the bubble which will never repeat again. All this talk about ETF is rubbish, because it is already calculated into the price.

The time is running out for BTC , and I am 90% certain it will be worthless before 2020. It has accomplished its task - crypto currency is mainstream.

Those smart enough know that the only real purpose of BTC right now is as a vehicle for transaction of fiat money, without being exposed to the scrutiny of the government checks and the global banking system, they understand that bitcoin is not a commodity, not a store of value, and it never was - to them it doesn't matter if the price of one BTC is $1 or $100,000. It doesn't change anything.

Some of you are so emotionally attached to your stack of bitcoins that you will react in a violent emotional outrage at my post. Those of you who are more stable are starting to realize what the score is, and no mate your 10 BTC or your 100 BTC stack will not make you a $ millionaire, might as well go to Vegas and try your hand at becoming a millionaire there. You have better chances.

Sam

21,000,00 * 0.005 = $105,000

LOL I'll throw in $105,000 if they get there and even then I can't buy them all because of lost bitcoins or unmined coins.

Your point is invalid as someone with a little money could buy up all the BTC in existence for a small price.

Please go back to the rock you came out from under.  Cheesy
hero member
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Well the idea idea of cryptocurrency is here to stay.
Cryptocurrency is very convinient and secure.
The question is will it bitcoin?
I think the answer is yes because businesses like overstock.com and microsoft have already started accepting it and they probably don't feel like the minor changes other crypto currencies offer are worth the hassle of switching.

Accepting it is one thing, actually holding it in their cash reserves is another.

In most cases 'Accepting' just seems to mean autoconverting to dollars with bitpay - except for overstock which is actually claiming to hold some - are there any others?

It is a first step.  Of course you first accept and auto-convert, because for those retailers, most of their suppliers (including their human ressources) must be paid in fiat for the moment.  However, if more and more businesses (including the suppliers of those retailers) start accepting bitcoin, then it can become interesting for those retailers to pay their suppliers ALSO directly in bitcoin, and then the incentive to convert to fiat will be less.

Right now, a retailer cannot do much with bitcoin, so it is normal for them to convert to fiat, as that is what they need to use for their business.  But as more and more businesses will accept bitcoin, there will be less and less incentive for them to convert coins to fiat.  At a certain point, it will become interesting to get paid in coins too (at least part of your salary).  But that's still far away.

hero member
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Those smart enough know that the only real purpose of BTC right now is as a vehicle for transaction of fiat money, without being exposed to the scrutiny of the government checks and the global banking system, they understand that bitcoin is not a commodity, not a store of value, and it never was - to them it doesn't matter if the price of one BTC is $1 or $100,000. It doesn't change anything.

The point is that this is exactly a fundamental of bitcoin and of its value.  Although you may think that using bitcoin as a currency (in this case for a very limited market) has an arbitrary value, that is not true.  There will be a demand for bitcoin for exactly that purpose and as bitcoins will be held a certain time in between transactions, that corresponds, with the monetary formula M x V = Q x P, to a certain price.  It is true that with short holding times (high velocity V) and a relatively small market Q, this will imply a rather small price of bitcoin (1/P).  But that price will not be arbitrarily low.  It will be determined by the demand for coins to do exactly those transactions you are talking about, as they need finite time to complete (so you cannot use a single coin going back and forth to transmit a few billion $ worth, there is a real demand).

My guess is that the current fundamental of bitcoin at this moment for that purpose is in the single or double digit ballpark.  As long as bitcoin has that use, it will have at least that price.
legendary
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I don't know how Satoshi saw that, but the fact that the inflation of bitcoin is programmed over 130 years, gives you an idea of the sort of time scale he had in mind.
Over half the potential Bitcoins have already been mined. 64%, actually.  That gives a sense of the real time scale involved.

Although 64% of bitcoins have been mined, the increase in money supply (percentage terms) far exceeds the increase in money supply of fiat in most countries.

Plus the inflation of bitcoin is nothing compared to fiats' inflation

Depends what metric you are using. The increase in money supply has not made it into the real economy yet..
sr. member
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I don't know how Satoshi saw that, but the fact that the inflation of bitcoin is programmed over 130 years, gives you an idea of the sort of time scale he had in mind.
Over half the potential Bitcoins have already been mined. 64%, actually.  That gives a sense of the real time scale involved.

Although 64% of bitcoins have been mined, the increase in money supply (percentage terms) far exceeds the increase in money supply of fiat in most countries.

Plus the inflation of bitcoin is nothing compared to fiats' inflation
hero member
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Why does bitcoin need to: "absorb the total global economy"  ? Credit cards don't account for the global economy and still are successful.

If you had done you research about bitcoin, you would know that is an almost exact quote of Satoshi Nakamoto, and one of the most famous ones.

That is not me making this stuff up. Just paraphrasing the man who created bitcoin.


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So again, the creator of Bitcoin has stated on record - written statement that BTC will either gobble up the whole of global economy or fail and cease to exist. The middle ground does not exist according to Satoshi Nakamoto. You may argue with me, but this is not me just making up things it is the quote / paraphrase of Satoshi's statement. This is one of the most important statements about bitcoin and yet everybody wants to avoid any talk about it.

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I'm sorry but Satoshi never said "absorb the total global economy". He rather said "I'm sure that in 20 years there will either be very large transaction volume or no volume".

Source : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.329

This is COMPLETELY different...
legendary
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I don't know how Satoshi saw that, but the fact that the inflation of bitcoin is programmed over 130 years, gives you an idea of the sort of time scale he had in mind.
Over half the potential Bitcoins have already been mined. 64%, actually.  That gives a sense of the real time scale involved.

Although 64% of bitcoins have been mined, the increase in money supply (percentage terms) far exceeds the increase in money supply of fiat in most countries.
legendary
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I don't know how Satoshi saw that, but the fact that the inflation of bitcoin is programmed over 130 years, gives you an idea of the sort of time scale he had in mind.
Over half the potential Bitcoins have already been mined. 64%, actually.  That gives a sense of the real time scale involved.
newbie
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Nevertheless, I think you have the time scales wrong.  It will probably take decades, if not centuries, to achieve the full conversion from the current fiat system to something else like bitcoin.  It took more than a century to switch fully from gold to fiat (started out in the 19th century, where fiat was fully covered by gold and silver, and ended with the official release of any reference to gold with Nixon).

Agree with much of your other points, but using linear historical comparisons for timeframes can be misleading, due to various vaguely exponential technological acceleration effects.

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Even the bitcoin protocol wouldn't allow one to switch fully to bitcoin without an ecological disaster in the first 20 years or so, because the mining incentive would use up too much ressources (mainly energy and hardware).

Yes, but ecological disaster is perhaps not the best way to look at it, for even if the ecological disaster were averted, its still a giant economic malinvestment.  It creates a bunch of hardware and computation that doesn't actually lead to technological/economic growth.

The other problem with the whole "bitcoin as reserve currency" idea is the incompatibility between the bitcoiner ideal of a currency and world free of taxation, and the practical necessity for governments to fund themselves.

For example, consider a world where bitcoin became the reserve currency, and then - hypothetically - a giant asteroid was found on a collision course that would destroy the world in the next 5 years, unless we could spend 10 $trillion on some massive spaceship intercept missile program.

Now, in a world where governments can arbitrarily commandeer 50%, or 80% of the GDP, the disaster can be avoided.  But in the ideal bitcoiner world, you have a problem.  In reality governments aren't going to just give up and die.

So given all that, the more realistic scenarios would involve massive tax increases in other areas to compensate - such as much higher property taxes, or whatever.  The end result is you still have something similar to the present wealth tax - just in a different form.
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