Topic: Stopping gift card money laundering - page 2. (Read 6025 times)

here is another seller
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wtbwts-amazon-giftcard-codes-buying-and-selling-1378550
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/hackattack2077-45380

Im still not entirely sure how to handle the gift cards, but I dont like the idea of letting carders just be for a lack of evidence.


Because you brought up the rape example.

So td;lr: you dont have a clue how it should be handled but you think everything what others do is wrong? If you dont care about it i am cool with but i care.

Ps: (sticking at your s7) it would be possible thats what emais are made for... i think your counter examples are somehow horrible...

It will never but the Thinking to force them as far as you can just because "forcing for a good cause is Right" is what i am talking about.

Those are the risks for a third party interference and i linked that because you said i am "inhumane".

Strange,cause i don't believe anything unless it has some sense in it and is mostly based on facts rather than my likes and fucking opinions.And if i do then i make sure that i am believing it because i like it but there is a high possibility that it could be wrong.

There is none and i am not going to observe how a user is treating his wife and tag them here on forum.Fuck it's their personal life and how they get them is impossible to know and is also not my job, because i could post a fully functional s7 in Auctions and sell it for half the price and it would be impossible to know if i stole that or actually bought that.

I check if the user is avoiding Escrow,insisting others to go first(If new account),convincing users to trade somewhere on skype etc..

nope. i dont have to proof what i think or belive. also again for you what the neg option states:


It doesnt say something about having evidence. In most of the cases we present one by leaving a correct reference. Just because i think someone is a scammer doesnt make him one, thats why most of the people -veing take their feedbacks back when proven wrong. I know it should be the other way around BUT no one dies, no one goes to jail because he has a feedback.

Lets do it the other way around and lets stick with GCs. What evidence would you like to see if we say: "Those GCs are not legit"?

Did it stop the trades?


Opinion is commonly used when evidence is absent. I think it was already established in this thread that its difficult to find the line between someone selling legit cards at a discount and someone not. Is it 50% discount or 48.7548%? Still a rating from DT is not a sentence to jail, its just a warning nothing more. It hardly stops anyone from selling what they sold before. See Vods crusade against MS keys. If anything it makes those wondering whether they should buy think. Which is the whole reason the ratings are left, to make the possible buyers think "can this be legit?".


How is this relevant here? I dont see anything related to (potentially) stolen gift cards.

Your Own cause you are the accuser.

The rating says "or belive..." so if i belive someone is a scammer whos job is it to proof my thoughts are wrong?

Tagging and trolling their thread and business unless they reveal you the method is not forcing ?

Evidence ?

I am not going to make anything public but anyways some public info might of help.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13621674

How did anyone force anyone to stop trading gift cards paid with stolen credit cards? DT does not have that power, its just a warning nothing more.


I dont know how old they are, but they will adapt.


link?

OK, So to force someone is opinion ? nice knowledge then.I am learning a lot.

I don't know what these kids are up to and in simple words THEY NEED TIME.

No, their doxes were posted while they were trying to "force" the so called untrustworthy and not publicly available info but paid doxes.Like suchmos's.

You also only have your opinion. If its opinions what are we even talking about?

I bring up mexxer-2 and lutpin here, because this discussion directly lead to the "save the trust system" thread where its asked to remove them from the system.

If someone does shady shit on the internet and later fails to get a job I have no problem with that.

Yup,If i find any evidence i will try to stop the scammer but not just tagging and saying hey you motherfucker come and strip right now or else enjoy the rating.


I i remember right then i have opened a thread for that some months ago ? also both are different stories.

What do you mean ? Nobody is problem to me ,anyways.

Keep them aside.We are not discussing bout them or any individual.

I have seen people not getting any jobs for years cause one google search for their name leads to nude photos of their's or relatives.Its a lot more complicated when it gets serious.

If you people are going to say attack,target to every post of mine then what should i say so that you guys understand that i am speaking bout the problem and not to individual persons.

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Shorena,I am not attacking or targeting anyone and there is no one who can or will forcefully remove your opinions from your own mind ,you are the master of your life but because the specialty of human's is communication and i thought we could actually discuss something but if this ends on IMO's then i am not interested,you win ,I lose.Thank You.

Like Mobi said "I strongly believe forcing untrustworthy users to stop being untrustworthy is right".So how many bitches should i force to not be a bitch? and if Mobi is going to save me from the law ? because the rape was for good cause and i should not be in a jail.

In that case are you going to leave a positive feedback? Since you've verified their source and are convinced they're actually honest and fair.

If you're going to work this system of "vetting" sellers, it should work both ways, right?

Well the metaphor was bad anyway. They do go around, is that in itself bad? Your critique seems to be the lack of evidence. Why is it a problem here, but not when ponzis are tagged? There is lack of evidence as well. Why are the two a problem, but I am not?


What?


Lutpin and mexxer-2 do get messages from scammers and they are not always nice. Why does that make things more complicated?


No, but why attack those that are still willing to try?

Not true.Yes, I agree i don't go around forum's 24x7 searching who is scamming and who is losing but ,but whenever i notice something shady then I definitely make sure that i PM any of the active DT guy,with proper evidence so that no one loses their money.

That makes me a Rough or not very King guy.This now gets complicated because the third party has to face the retaliation from the criminal or accuser.
In simple words I will be helping or taking risks for them until the problem or revenge of their's(victim and accused) is significantly bigger than what is between the third party(me) and them.

Exactly.You cannot help or explain everything to everyone and every single time.

Think I understand now! You two are very similar in thinking where the world is black & white. The above statement and lack of understanding to the issue prove this.
Think you are going to continue disrespecting people and trying to bend them to your might. This thread and the others show you will do what you want and the forum be damned.
Hopefully others with will come here and show this is not just a few that worry about the tact.

Enough from me, I disagree strongly and hope this aspect is thought about more.

if something looks like fish, smells like fish people might think it is fish. that is how it goes

The system doesnt work if there doesnt need to be proof for the feedback to be left but there needs to be proof for it to be removed

i know there are websites out there, and i think i posted it before, that enables reselling with that rates. i didnt check anonymous22 cards against public offers, but i know a few sellers that use that as their source.

so basicly your fighting for anonymous22 because this might be his source while we talking about hardcore discounts. so we talking in different directions. BUT if OgNasty confirms the source is fine, anons feedback will be removed. So the system works.