Topic: Stopping gift card money laundering - page 7. (Read 6025 times)

True but tagging them would at least make it more difficult to them and/or slow their illegal business and/or at least push their business to another site, protecting somehow bitcoin's reputation.

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I don't think it's a moot point. If most non-GC-seller trusted users agree it should be stopped then we can reach an agreement and try to stop them. Of course not everyone will agree.

I think the discount is a strong way of detecting these carded gift cards.  When you see GiftCards at 75 percent... there is a reason on most there are very few people are normally willing to let go for 3/4 of value.  Another good way is asking to see receipt of paying with cash... but arguably this could be defeated.     

Sadly I think this is a moot point as some are obviously ok with buying carded CG... which is honestly sad.  It should catch up with them eventually companies do track addresses of where carded items were sent to.

I think so too. But if you really think about it. This just cant be helped. People would almost always find away to get things their way. Even if that would mean going through the illegal stuff.

Oh well. Bitcoins too are used for money laundering and is still not considered legal in any country. What's your argument for this? Doesn't it have potential for abuse? Aren't there way too many scammers out here? What about account sales? Aren't people scamming by buying accounts with reputation? Forget about signature campaigns and spammers. There are numerous ways of money laundering on this forum and too much to say about all of them.

The obviously illegal products are already banned on the forum and users who were selling illegal methods/guides were warned about the same. Red trust is the best way to get rid of such sellers.


Even when I came to this forum, I was asked if my cards are bought via illegal methods and I never knew that people could buy these cards via hacked cards. I never blamed bitcoins for it but rather the users who are buying/selling such gift cards. No currency is bad if it's used for illegal purposes but instead we should only blame the people misusing it. Scammers would scam using any method and not only make use of bitcoins.

Personally I do think banning the sell of giftcards would help a lot but it's very arguable I guess. But at least coordinated effort from DT members against clearly illegal carders will help.

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Only those who actively sell illegal goods would be "under investigation". As I said in OP selling several kinds of giftcards for 50% off or similar clearly seems illegal so sellers need to prove it's not. It's not like I'm proposing considering everyone guilty until proven otherwise. If you run a business that clearly looks illegal then you can't just ignore any PM asking about it. If you don't want to be bothered by that kind of PMs then just don't a run any business that clearly seems illegal.

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I think it hurts BTC's reputation because if someone new to bitcoin comes here and sees most goods being sold seem illegal then that will reinforce the stereotype "bitcoin is only for illegal stuff".

Don't care about the name, don't care if people selling legit cards have a hard time.  At least something worthwhile is being done to combat this.  Let the folks selling gift cards sell them on another forum is what I would argue.  There's waaaaay too much potential for abuse.  There are too many carders and crackers running about and they're quite obviously not going to tell the truth about their cards' provenance.

Since I myself sell gift cards, I wouldn't agree with banning the sale of git cards on the forum. However, there are some obvious users who trade illegal gift cards as well as keys that are bought from stolen credit cards and they sell it at 20-25% face value. I would like that it should stop but still there is no way to prove they are illegit unless the websites are contacted and informed about the same. Also, there are many members who buy these illegally obtained gift cards. Don't get what they get out of it.

I don't agree that it will hurt bitcoins as mainly CC's are used for the purchase of these gift cards and not bitcoins. Don't get what's hurting bitcoins in all this.

+1 goodwin point, well done. Reply 7 and the discussion is already over. Its a joke, but it was probably unreasonable to assume that it would not be used as an argument esp. since there is an austrian involved.

I personally will not actively hunt down carders, but when I see things I think deserve a warning I will issue one. Most recent example would be closed thread sales.

So every one will be under investigation by the new forum gestapo or just active sellers?
Be careful that you do not become the issue of the forum by doling out your brand of justice here.
Its a slippery slope and I know a lot of the ole folk use multiple accounts to push things and make people feel stupid for saying contrary.

Having to prove legitimacy is a interesting issue. If I was questioned out of the blue by pm by some one that is not in the transaction,I would tell them to piss off! Its one thing to ask but another to neg rep a person because they do not play your brand of baseball.
Would it not be fair to list all alt accounts and business you transact in as well if you want clarity?

Blame MonetaCoin

There is no effective way of stopping only those that sell such cards. This is where the problem lies. Either we ban all gift card sales or we continue with the endless fight (from the staffs perspective).

I guess a coordinated effort from DT members should have an effect. However, the name is awful.

This is starting great, I just got the retaliation even before leaving my due negative on that account.

Im all green with the campaign as well. Those cards are definitely illegal (mostly carded) so most of them opt to selling them off half price. Thing is, many people buy em as well, till they get scammed that is. Previously, the half priced starbucks gift card populated the digital goods section. If this shit goes on, theymos might as well rename this forum to hackforums2.org.

I agree with whywefight on that topic (one of the reasons why he is in my trustlist). He's got a rather radical take on cleaning the digital goods section.
For what it's worth, you got my support in your campaign.

You should join the "HateLeague" , which at the moment has 3 DT members , me , Lutpin and sho along with james and whywefight[QS is supposed to be in it too, but haven't recieved any confirmation from him, but pretty sure he's in with the "Tag the money launderers"as well]. I for one would be willing to tag them

During the last few months I've been tagging people who sell illegally obtained (stolen/hacked) gift cards. Until recently I had been doing so only to people who explicitly admit so or when there's no doubt about it. However most sellers won't just admit it, they say "don't worry, they're legit" and that's it. But it's clear selling cards for half the price smells like fraud. I've asked some of them to contact a very trusted member and prove to them (not to me) the cards are legal by presenting some evidence or explaining the method to them after getting their word they won't disclose anything except whether or not it's legal; of course I haven't got any results.

I strongly believe people who sell these illegal cards are hurting bitcoin by making it look like it works only/mainly for illegal purposes. Even if users here don't get scammed, someone else was before in order to make the whole business possible. There could be exceptions like people taking advantage of a promo code known only by a few, or similar; people who sell only one or two cards they got as a gift would be safe too. But those who sell an apparent endless supply of several kind of cards with a big discount and refuse to explain to anybody how they got them must be stopped.

Please let me know what you think. If most trusted users disagree with me or if I get valid arguments against it then I'll stop my campaign against them. Otherwise I'd ask other users -mainly DT members- to help.