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November 20, 2023, 04:09:27 AM
#67


I don't believe that those winnings are paid by the casino intentionally and these guys are using a specific program provided by the gambling site to increase the probability of winning. Since they are partnered with the casino, they will be given a huge bankroll to play with. In gambling, the longer your bankroll lasts, the more chances to win big and that's the reason why paid streamers always win big in their stream.
I also don't believe it,  it will harm the casino's reputation if one streamer comes out and exposes a casino by saying that he is playing on a different platform other than all the gamblers are playing, they might even blackmail the casino to expose that they rigged the game in favor of the streamers.
I will accept the bankroll distribution, it's an open secret and this is to test the platform and entice gamblers to deposit more and play the games like streamers do, it's to entice gamblers that they can duplicate the streamer's success.

I guess streamer can't stuff like blackmailing, exposing, or anything like this as they are most probably has an agreement with the casino before they engage with each other's terms. Unless there's a bit of a misunderstanding and the streamer resort to that, It will spark a legal disputes.
But if a streamer is well-paid, we'll expect no negative feed backs from them on that specific casino they are working with.
It's not even an open secret, It's a common sense for everyone that If someone is working for any gambling platform it is expected that they will tweak their system a little bit so the person who is advertising or playing live on the platform would look like he's winning everytime. And yeah to entice people to play on that specific gambling platform.
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November 20, 2023, 03:50:11 AM
#66
I have watched some streamers and most of the time they lose while chasing these big wins.
I don't believe in the special account given by casinos because if you compute their overall P&L they are still in the negative.
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November 20, 2023, 03:11:26 AM
#65
most of the streamer is an endorsment ordered by casino to be able to promote their games to more people. these streamers usually play from special accounts provided by the casino platform that makes them likely to win more beating compared to usual players. no need to be surprised that the play history of the streamers is better because it has all been arranged by the casino platform.
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November 20, 2023, 02:51:23 AM
#64
I will accept the bankroll distribution, it's an open secret and this is to test the platform and entice gamblers to deposit more and play the games like streamers do, it's to entice gamblers that they can duplicate the streamer's success.
Yes, that's the existing system regarding streamers who collaborate with casinos, so it's no longer a public secret, we all know that winnings are manipulated just to attract the attention of new users, otherwise it's so difficult to attract attention, especially of course novice gamblers need to see their winnings to make sure they play well. Big bets are more profitable than smaller bets.

Usually streamers never bet with small bets to convince people to bet bigger, because that is the marketing system carried out by the casino and of course beginners who are new to gambling and want to gamble will be tempted to make large deposits to gamble with bets. the greater one. but for old gamblers maybe this is no longer an open secret and of course new users will learn from their failures and realize their mistake about streamers winning big is just marketing.
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November 20, 2023, 02:30:40 AM
#63


I don't believe that those winnings are paid by the casino intentionally and these guys are using a specific program provided by the gambling site to increase the probability of winning. Since they are partnered with the casino, they will be given a huge bankroll to play with. In gambling, the longer your bankroll lasts, the more chances to win big and that's the reason why paid streamers always win big in their stream.
I also don't believe it,  it will harm the casino's reputation if one streamer comes out and exposes a casino by saying that he is playing on a different platform other than all the gamblers are playing, they might even blackmail the casino to expose that they rigged the game in favor of the streamers.
I will accept the bankroll distribution, it's an open secret and this is to test the platform and entice gamblers to deposit more and play the games like streamers do, it's to entice gamblers that they can duplicate the streamer's success.
Even if they don't reveal the truth, It's very obvious that there's something wrong in their live streams and vlogs. winning a huge amount of money in a row is really surprising and intrigguing because it didn't happen in real life. it's just a common sense that gambling agency sites have something to do with what's going on, some livestreamers may be using set up accounts.
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November 19, 2023, 07:58:46 PM
#62


I don't believe that those winnings are paid by the casino intentionally and these guys are using a specific program provided by the gambling site to increase the probability of winning. Since they are partnered with the casino, they will be given a huge bankroll to play with. In gambling, the longer your bankroll lasts, the more chances to win big and that's the reason why paid streamers always win big in their stream.
I also don't believe it,  it will harm the casino's reputation if one streamer comes out and exposes a casino by saying that he is playing on a different platform other than all the gamblers are playing, they might even blackmail the casino to expose that they rigged the game in favor of the streamers.
I will accept the bankroll distribution, it's an open secret and this is to test the platform and entice gamblers to deposit more and play the games like streamers do, it's to entice gamblers that they can duplicate the streamer's success.
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November 19, 2023, 07:14:45 PM
#61
First, as long as the casino itself tells you to gamble responsibly, and you also are legally allowed to do without anyone forcing you to do. So, you shouldn’t get influenced by those streamers no matter what. They are only doing their job and creating content about gambling or trying a casino they didn’t invite you or force you to gamble.

And since these streamers also paid for a number of views, they will just continue to create gambling-related content specifically targeting those gambling community audiences regardless if they are affiliated or not by these gambling sites. In most cases, some gambling streamers are not really partnered with a gambling site. They just want to lure viewers to their channels and show their experience regarding that gambling site.

Second, which is going to be the opinion of most users and people here. Streamers that get paid and shows their winnings are paid by the casino and beside that they have more probabilities and rates of winning than other regular players at the casino. That’s why we always see those streamers win most of the time just to seduce people into gambling.

I don't believe that those winnings are paid by the casino intentionally and these guys are using a specific program provided by the gambling site to increase the probability of winning. Since they are partnered with the casino, they will be given a huge bankroll to play with. In gambling, the longer your bankroll lasts, the more chances to win big and that's the reason why paid streamers always win big in their stream.
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November 19, 2023, 03:28:31 PM
#60
What am I talking about? Well, at least once you must have stumbled upon a stream where someone plays slots. These streams are normally sponsored by the casino that hosts the games. They pay the streamer a salary and even fund his account. So the casino knows who the streamer is, what his account is and when he'll be playing.
Exactly, I have came across several streamers that play in casinos in order to promote them, well there is two different opinions about this matter.
First, as long as the casino itself tells you to gamble responsibly, and you also are legally allowed to do without anyone forcing you to do. So, you shouldn’t get influenced by those streamers no matter what. They are only doing their job and creating content about gambling or trying a casino they didn’t invite you or force you to gamble.

Second, which is going to be the opinion of most users and people here. Streamers that get paid and shows their winnings are paid by the casino and beside that they have more probabilities and rates of winning than other regular players at the casino. That’s why we always see those streamers win most of the time just to seduce people into gambling.

It’s important to not get into gambling if you can’t control yourself and manage your money well.
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November 19, 2023, 03:26:34 PM
#59
I think this is something more people should be aware of. To begin with, it might seem like common sense to people in this board since most here are experienced with games and gambling platforms.
But to any new comer into the gambling scene it probably isn't as obvious.

What am I talking about? Well, at least once you must have stumbled upon a stream where someone plays slots. These streams are normally sponsored by the casino that hosts the games. They pay the streamer a salary and even fund his account. So the casino knows who the streamer is, what his account is and when he'll be playing.

The thing is, that these streamers get big wins so often that it seems very unlikely for their streaks to be happening at random.

We would know this as casinos say in their terms that playing with fun money does not incur the same level of randomness when playing with real money, which is really code for saying that fun money results to more flashy wins when you really can't win anything. So it's not unlikely that streamers are also getting some similar treatment as they don't play with their own money. This can attract their viewers to deposit and gamble with real money of course, but they'll very rarely get the same results.

This is something I've tried to highlight to my friends that want to get  into gambling, but overall not many people seem to be aware.
What has your experience been? Has this affected you or your friends?

I think the streamers win more often and that is normal because they play every single day with extended sessions since like you say that they are not spending real money from their own pocket,maybe a little but the majority of the money they spend is sponsored money or referral commission they make from the videos so as long as they are not spending real decent amount from their own money they can afford to be playing a lot of time and we know the longer we play the longer our chances to win in the slot machines,I know most people think the opposite while in fact it is the longer we play the longer the chance to hit something decent.Nothing to be surprised here.
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November 19, 2023, 03:21:16 PM
#58
I don't really trust streamers, even though in their broadcasts they often win large amounts through their strategies and playing patterns. A gambling streamer is nothing more than a promoter trying to promote a gambling platform. and I don't believe in the winnings of gambling streamers, because the winnings seem to be made up and have been arranged in such a way as possible.
And actually in the world of marketing, this is fine to do as long as it doesn't violate existing rules.

And my wild assumption is that I think it would be better if a gambling platform carried out promotions only on a special platform that is far from the reach of underage children, such as the Bitcoin Talk forum. Because currently the promotions carried out by a gambling platform are like mushrooms that are scattered everywhere, including social media, where there are a lot of underage people. And regarding gambling streaming videos, this is something that should not be shown to minors, because this will have a negative impact on the child.
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November 19, 2023, 03:02:22 PM
#57
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I am also not sure on the legality of some casino doing such thing, like increasing or messing with the chances of their sponsored streamer to attract more people to the casino, it sounds like something which is supposed to be disclosed so the casino won't get into legal troubles with the time, even if no one reads the disclosure.

I was watching this one streamer, Roshtein I think his name is.  He's supposed to be like, one of the biggest gamblers out there.  but lately it seems like he's not even trying with his whole act anymore. and  everything about him is so fake now. But I guess his fans don't care because they just blindly follow whatever he does. 

There was this one time where he forgot to switch off demo mode and you could literally see his fake cash balance on the screen! That was a pretty big giveaway because, as many pointed out later, you normally don't see your real balance when you switch to demo mode. I can't find that video now, it might have been deleted, but you can find a lot of references to it on youtube.

I dont know, in my opinion it feels like they're just exploiting their viewers to make money.  Because the more people watch them play, the more new suckers sign up and lose their money which just pads the streamers' profits.  It's messed up but I guess thats just how the gambling business works nowadays.

One can indeed be against of that kind of policies and tricks taken by streamers to increase their number of viewers, though, since it does not seem to be illegal, then anyone who watches those streams is supposed to do it only as a way of entertainment and do not allow themselves to get carried away by the profits some streamers could get out a session.
Those who are more prone to be influenced into gambling because some streamer is being sponsored by a casino are the newbies within this gambling industry. It is almost the same one can see happening with cryptocurrencies, they choose to be guided by their favorite influencers to the coin their are supposed to buy, instead doing their own research, it is only that in the case it is about choosing a casino or game.

I wonder if there is some hidden clausule written by the streamer where he renounces all responsibility from people signing up in the casino and whatever he does is only supposed to be treated as entertainment.
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November 19, 2023, 02:23:30 PM
#56
I've never been affected by this as I've always known that it's a simple marketing tactic by the casinos to hire streamers or content creators to play games on their platforms and either create videos or livestream the gameplay so that the audience can see and enjoy and eventually join their platform and gamble with them, and to make things as interesting as possible, they will probably do anything possible like reducing the volatility or increasing the RTP or even making streamers or content creators use demo money hence increasing the amount of wins.

People that watch these streams and get inspired by the wins and decide to try and achieve the same results should know that what happens in movies cannot be done in real life most of the times, and we should consider these streams and videos being movies which are mostly scripted just to entertain us and we are not supposed to follow them and try to achieve the same things like them.
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November 19, 2023, 01:57:27 PM
#55
Except few in-house games casino usually use third party providers. And streamers generally play well known slots. So if you were right, it would mean that large and reputed third party providers are also cheating people while they are supped to be certified and monitored by serious organizations. I don't think casinos need to do such conspiracies. They just need to fill streamers' balances with fun money and streamers just need to buy bonuses and play enough time to win some jackpots or high multipliers winnings.
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November 19, 2023, 01:28:57 PM
#54
Yes, multiple ex-streamers have already confirmed that everything was staged and fake, orchestrated by the casino. You wouldn't believe how many people don't realize what's going on behind those paid streams.  The whole thing is sponsored by the casino, who funds the account and  makes those insane winning streaks possible. Those aren't really just dumb luck.  Its like they're playing a different game with special rules.  I think it's worth pointing out, but it doesn't seem like everyone has caught onto this other side of things yet.


It would be great if you have given the link where those ex-streamers exposed and admit that their streams performance are staged.  Probably I have not encounter streamers where their session is staged by the casino itself, since most of streamers I watched are even cursing the slots game they are playing because of their bad session.

I believe there is also some instances where a streamer sponsored by a casino often use a special link where the RTP is way higher than the normal slots game, but to prove such thing is somehow difficult because we do not access on that link and those who are involved on the scripted streams won't tell people about it unless they end up in a not so good relation with the casino they used to work with.

Everything is possible in an online stream, but I would say that not all streamers sponsored by a casino use such dirty method in luring people into gambling.
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November 19, 2023, 12:57:37 PM
#53
I think this is something more people should be aware of. To begin with, it might seem like common sense to people in this board since most here are experienced with games and gambling platforms.
But to any new comer into the gambling scene it probably isn't as obvious.

What am I talking about? Well, at least once you must have stumbled upon a stream where someone plays slots. These streams are normally sponsored by the casino that hosts the games. They pay the streamer a salary and even fund his account. So the casino knows who the streamer is, what his account is and when he'll be playing.

The thing is, that these streamers get big wins so often that it seems very unlikely for their streaks to be happening at random.

We would know this as casinos say in their terms that playing with fun money does not incur the same level of randomness when playing with real money, which is really code for saying that fun money results to more flashy wins when you really can't win anything. So it's not unlikely that streamers are also getting some similar treatment as they don't play with their own money. This can attract their viewers to deposit and gamble with real money of course, but they'll very rarely get the same results.

This is something I've tried to highlight to my friends that want to get  into gambling, but overall not many people seem to be aware.
What has your experience been? Has this affected you or your friends?

It's a bit baffling that streaming sites even allow this sort of activity and there do seem to be periodic crackdowns against this type of slots gambling because it is too ripe for abuse as you've identified. There are very few people who could afford to play slots long term because it is engineered to be a losing game. It is very clear astroturfing by gambling companies but it can be very hard to prove, which is why they get away with it for so long. Plus there is the fact that any balance can be loaded into these casino sites by the site operator which wouldn't involve rigging much else.
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November 19, 2023, 12:34:33 PM
#52
I once watched a local streamer playing slots. In that slot game, he played Gates of Olympus and managed to win a lot of money. But they have had several big wins in a row, which has amazed people who watch the broadcast because it is very rare for someone to get several big wins in a row. But we also don't know whether the big win was purely due to luck or whether it was arranged in such a way to impress the audience. But that didn't have any impact on me because I knew if it was because of his luck, we shouldn't be jealous. After all, our luck with him would be different. We will not be able to achieve what he has achieved and vice versa. So it's better for us to enjoy what we see and not be influenced or we will be in danger.

You are watching streamers just like how it was intended which is correct way of doing it. Many people are doubtful because they are venting their stress on their personal losses to streamers that winning and called it unfair while this streamers lose a lot too probably not recorded.

Streamers should be watch for entertainment purposes only and not a role model on gambling because everyone has different result due to luck is random same with the slot games result.
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November 19, 2023, 12:26:46 PM
#51
I once watched a local streamer playing slots. In that slot game, he played Gates of Olympus and managed to win a lot of money. But they have had several big wins in a row, which has amazed people who watch the broadcast because it is very rare for someone to get several big wins in a row. But we also don't know whether the big win was purely due to luck or whether it was arranged in such a way to impress the audience. But that didn't have any impact on me because I knew if it was because of his luck, we shouldn't be jealous. After all, our luck with him would be different. We will not be able to achieve what he has achieved and vice versa. So it's better for us to enjoy what we see and not be influenced or we will be in danger.
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November 19, 2023, 09:52:36 AM
#50
But personally, I mean that every streamer win is because they have large amount of money and in slot games there are games that can increase their chances of winning when they reach certain round, such as more than 5000 round and things like this happen lot.
I gambler who loves slot games and often manages to get fairly large multipliers when I reach more than 1000 to 2000 spins.
So maybe this is one of the influences on every streamer victory.
Based on the theory of probability, the more attempts (spins) you make, the higher the chance of winning something. But in the case of a casino, everything works a little differently and the longer you play (more spins), the more you lose and the higher the likelihood that you will be left with nothing. This is banal mathematics - RTP is below 100% (90-95%), which means that in the long term the player will lose money and it is on this principle that any casino rests.


What am I talking about? Well, at least once you must have stumbled upon a stream where someone plays slots. These streams are normally sponsored by the casino that hosts the games. They pay the streamer a salary and even fund his account. So the casino knows who the streamer is, what his account is and when he'll be playing.
If a streamer is essentially a freelance employee of a casino, then there should be zero trust in him and his main function is to attract new gamblers to their casino. If you succumb to his tricks (you want to win as a streamer and go to their casino), then he has done his job. Streamer is a new form of shill. Ignore them, because streamers create a false illusion that anyone can win like them, although the casino is probably playing along with the streamer (with the help of a high RTP).
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November 19, 2023, 09:50:50 AM
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Dont forget that the streamers already prepare a decent balance (deposit+bonus) before they play, not fair if we compare their wining stats with ordinary users.
As we all know that to win on slots we need an awesome luck and keep playing to get the decent muliplier.
Streamers can Bonus Buy many times because of their fat balance, while the peasant like us perhaps only a few times.
Consider the streams as an entertainment only, its not our money after all.

Here's a video where Roshtein clicked on demo mode on stream.  It showed that his balance was the same fake money he had in demo mode! He was totally busted lying about playing with real money.  You can literally tell from the look on his face when he realized he slipped up. He was totally speechless and didn't know what to say because he knew he just exposed his whole scam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6mOB0EmekM


Hehe it show that even a big guy such roshtein could be broke either. Easy Come and Easy Go, the art of gambling.
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November 19, 2023, 09:18:35 AM
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Here's a video where Roshtein clicked on demo mode on stream.  It showed that his balance was the same fake money he had in demo mode! He was totally busted lying about playing with real money.  You can literally tell from the look on his face when he realized he slipped up. He was totally speechless and didn't know what to say because he knew he just exposed his whole scam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6mOB0EmekM
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